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Hiring protocol

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  1. Christopher Thuer
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    2/13/2017 3:02 PM
    Is it still an acceptable or encouraged practice that when hiring an assistant away from another course that the new super would call the current/soon to be former super? I do so when hiring an hourly seasonal workers from other courses. I will at least say so and so has applied for a position with us. Just wanted to let you know I intend to make so and so an offer.

    Maybe I am just old and the younger generation doesn't care much about those things.

    Chris Thuer, CGCS, Bear Slide Golf Club, Cicero, IN

  2. Steven Huffstutler
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    2/14/2017 5:02 AM
    Christopher Thuer, CGCS said: Is it still an acceptable or encouraged practice that when hiring an assistant away from another course that the new super would call the current/soon to be former super? I do so when hiring an hourly seasonal workers from other courses. I will at least say so and so has applied for a position with us. Just wanted to let you know I intend to make so and so an offer.

    Maybe I am just old and the younger generation doesn't care much about those things.


    Common courtesy would indicate that a call is in order, but that seems to be the exception now, doesn't it? How many of your fellow Superintendents do you know who don't answer the phone and wont return a call? Young people learn from their elders and their mentors, this didn't happen spontaneously.

    Regards,

    Steve



  3. Clay Putnam
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    2/14/2017 10:02 AM
    Personally I don't expect a call from a potential new employer. What for? There's a reason the employee is looking for another job and more times than not I am aware of their search. Maybe it's the compensation. Maybe it's the employee him/herself and I'm fine to see them go. In the end, do what you (employee) need to do and I do not expect a call from the new employer. My $0.02.



  4. Paul Hallock
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    2/14/2017 10:02 AM
    Personally I could care less if someone calls me. But that is why it is called a courtesy call, it is not for my feelings but the other parties involved. So, yes I would call, but also wouldn't be offended if I didn't receive a call.................



  5. Max Lamas
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    2/14/2017 10:02 AM
    I think asking the potential candidate if you may contact there last employer is the first step before even calling the old superintendent that the person worked for.



  6. James Schmid
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    1 posts
    2/15/2017 9:02 AM
    I don't need a call. I do understand the courtesy aspect of it. Maybe I've been in California too long, but another consideration here is respect for the potential employee. If we don't have the express permission of the employee and we end up making a call to his current employer, who's to say current employer doesn't show him the door at the end of the day, leaving the employee in limbo, having been fired from current job, and not yet hired to new job.



  7. Steven Huffstutler
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    2/15/2017 11:02 AM
    James Schmid said: I don't need a call. I do understand the courtesy aspect of it. Maybe I've been in California too long, but another consideration here is respect for the potential employee. If we don't have the express permission of the employee and we end up making a call to his current employer, who's to say current employer doesn't show him the door at the end of the day, leaving the employee in limbo, having been fired from current job, and not yet hired to new job.


    It's entirely up to the job seeker to tell a potential employer that he does not want his current employer to be contacted.



  8. James Schmid
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    2/15/2017 1:02 PM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said:
    James Schmid said: I don't need a call. I do understand the courtesy aspect of it. Maybe I've been in California too long, but another consideration here is respect for the potential employee. If we don't have the express permission of the employee and we end up making a call to his current employer, who's to say current employer doesn't show him the door at the end of the day, leaving the employee in limbo, having been fired from current job, and not yet hired to new job.


    It's entirely up to the job seeker to tell a potential employer that he does not want his current employer to be contacted.



    Or it's not. For higher level positions its typically a confidential process unless express consent is given. Why should we not afford our employees or potential employees the same level of respect.

    Most superintendents, when searching for a job while currently employed, would hope that their potential employer would keep their application confidential. Ask the headhunters out there if they typically see candidates that are ok with their current employer being contacted without consent.



  9. James Smith
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    113 posts
    3/7/2017 6:03 AM
    I do not expect a call nor would I call the other local Superintendent. It's not my business what goes on down the street and if an employee has decided to leave me I'm ok with that. A year ago I had an employee take a job down the street. he gave me a two weeks notice and I wished him well. I was not bothered by his leaving because the only thing I could put him on was a golf cart, he tends to wreck everything he drives so the course down the street did me a favor since I replaced him with another worker that could drive any piece of equipment I have. Oh yea, he texted me 5-6 months later asking if he could come back to work for me, I declined.



  10. Christopher Thuer
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    101 posts
    3/7/2017 11:03 AM
    Thanks for the feedback. I guess that is just the way it is.

    25 years ago our local association was a much tighter group. We had monthly assn. meetings and everyone knew each other. Even if you went to half of the events you got to know everyone. We were all friends.  There were cliques but for the most part everyone got along and helped each other out with equipment swapping and such. I would call another super when hiring someone away from them and the favor was returned.

    It is a different time I guess.

    Chris Thuer, CGCS, Bear Slide Golf Club, Cicero, IN

  11. Diaz Robert E
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    3/7/2017 12:03 PM
    I agree to ask the applicant about contacting before doing so. I believe in the old school friendly relationship with the guy down the road as well and we talk weekly about course conditions and spray plans. I serve on the board of directors for local chapter and we struggle to get the attendance up at monthly meetings. Have seen a decline since technology has given people other ways of communicating. Not saying people do not network face to face, just miss it.



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