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Obama Care, how will effect your club?

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  1. Becwar Benjamin G
    Becwar Benjamin G avatar
    4/29/2013 11:04 AM
    I don't want to turn this into a political topic but I'm wondering what others think about how their club will be effected and any changes that you club will have to make.
    My club is a mid-level semi-private club, and with the way things are going we will not be able to afford Obama care. The thought has been brought up to "partner up" with another near by course in the same situation and put all of our maintenance employees on part time and work them maybe 25 hours a week, the other partner course would do the same with theirs, we would then hire each other employees and those employees would work 20-25 hours at our course and the other course. That way the employee would still work 40 hrs a week it would just be at 2 different courses.
    The thought behind this is that if you only have part time employees you don't need to pay for Obama Care. Its not ideal for the hourly employee but at least they don't lose their job because the company can not remain open or can only afford to work them 20 some hours a week.

    Thanks for sharing any thoughts!



  2. Timothy Walker
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    0 posts
    4/29/2013 12:04 PM
    I like the idea...however as an employee who has to depend on the club for health care benefits it pisses me off. What really pisses me off is that employers can't afford to provide health benefits for full time staff. I'm not referring to part time retirees or students, but superintendents, assistants, and mechanics. If the cost to insure wasn't so ridiculous we wouldn't have to have this debate.

    I applaud you for partnering up and coming up with a way to help your employees.



  3. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    4/29/2013 1:04 PM
    Being part of a city and the city being self-funded, what the city has done so far is actually ahead of schedule to avoid confusion is allow employees to keep their children on up to age 26, they did away with pre-existing conditions early as well.

    So far no other changes exempt that we didn't have our premium go up this last half of the year. Since we were self-funded, the city as long as they have at least a 6 month reserve balance will not raise rates. Of course in the past 5 to 6 years we hadn't reached our reserve balance so we would have rates go up 3% in June, and 2% in December. Like I mentioned we didn't have to raise it in December.

    The city pays 100% of our premium, we pay 100% of our family's premium but are able to be on the same plan.

    I have a question, what is the percentage an employer must pay for an employee's insurance plan? I don't know of anything in the Affordable Care Act that says an employer must pay 100% of an employee's plan. When I worked for my last employer a Self-funded private University, they paid a portion of our family's insurance including mine. I think they paid 60% and we paid 40% (I think, but that was long ago)? Couldn't an employer get a simple (I know an oxymoron) insurance policy that isn't expensive, might have it cover prescriptions, the preventive care, but not much more and ask the employee to pay a portion of it? I have heard in this situation most employees won't participate and try to find cheaper insurance, or hopefully have the spouse's plan to use.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  4. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    4/29/2013 8:04 PM
    Benjamin Becwar said: I don't want to turn this into a political topic but I'm wondering what others think about how their club will be effected and any changes that you club will have to make.
    My club is a mid-level semi-private club, and with the way things are going we will not be able to afford Obama care. The thought has been brought up to "partner up" with another near by course in the same situation and put all of our maintenance employees on part time and work them maybe 25 hours a week, the other partner course would do the same with theirs, we would then hire each other employees and those employees would work 20-25 hours at our course and the other course. That way the employee would still work 40 hrs a week it would just be at 2 different courses.
    The thought behind this is that if you only have part time employees you don't need to pay for Obama Care. Its not ideal for the hourly employee but at least they don't lose their job because the company can not remain open or can only afford to work them 20 some hours a week.

    Thanks for sharing any thoughts!


    What are you providing for health benefits now?



  5. Chad Shafer
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    2 posts
    4/29/2013 9:04 PM
    We provide health insurance to our full time employees.They include the Superintendent, Assistant Superintendent, Irrigation Tech and Mechanic.
    My seasonals I can only work them for six months than I have to let them go until the next season. So for example if I hire an employee on March 1 I have to let them go at the end of August and can't bring them back until the following March 1. Or I can classify them as part time and can't work them over 29 hours in a week.

    It makes it tough to find help. Makes it hard to get people to return each season. So we are always training new people.



  6. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    4/30/2013 12:04 AM
    Chad Shafer said: We provide health insurance to our full time employees.They include the Superintendent, Assistant Superintendent, Irrigation Tech and Mechanic.
    My seasonals I can only work them for six months than I have to let them go until the next season. So for example if I hire an employee on March 1 I have to let them go at the end of August and can't bring them back until the following March 1. Or I can classify them as part time and can't work them over 29 hours in a week.

    It makes it tough to find help. Makes it hard to get people to return each season. So we are always training new people.


    Things should not change for you except your seasonal help will be able to afford health insurance. They will be able to buy directly from the exchange for a minimal cost.



  7. Spong Erik
    Spong Erik avatar
    4/30/2013 7:04 AM
    There is only a mandate if over 50 full time employees and may lower taxes if less than 24. 25-49 employee business will not be effected.



  8. Thomas Brown
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    0 posts
    4/30/2013 8:04 AM
    Timothy Walker, CGCS said: I like the idea...however as an employee who has to depend on the club for health care benefits it pisses me off. What really pisses me off is that employers can't afford to provide health benefits for full time staff. I'm not referring to part time retirees or students, but superintendents, assistants, and mechanics. If the cost to insure wasn't so ridiculous we wouldn't have to have this debate.

    I applaud you for partnering up and coming up with a way to help your employees.


    In anticipation of Obama-care, last year my club decided to no longer offer health care benefits to any employees including full time. All full time employees at both of our facilities are now seasonal (March to December) and might be able to avoid the government penalty's due to low staff size.

    Tom



  9. Becwar Benjamin G
    Becwar Benjamin G avatar
    4/30/2013 2:04 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Benjamin Becwar said: I don't want to turn this into a political topic but I'm wondering what others think about how their club will be effected and any changes that you club will have to make.
    My club is a mid-level semi-private club, and with the way things are going we will not be able to afford Obama care. The thought has been brought up to "partner up" with another near by course in the same situation and put all of our maintenance employees on part time and work them maybe 25 hours a week, the other partner course would do the same with theirs, we would then hire each other employees and those employees would work 20-25 hours at our course and the other course. That way the employee would still work 40 hrs a week it would just be at 2 different courses.
    The thought behind this is that if you only have part time employees you don't need to pay for Obama Care. Its not ideal for the hourly employee but at least they don't lose their job because the company can not remain open or can only afford to work them 20 some hours a week.

    Thanks for sharing any thoughts!


    What are you providing for health benefits now?

    We are not currently providing any right now regardless if your part time or full time.



  10. Timothy Walker
    Timothy Walker avatar
    0 posts
    4/30/2013 3:04 PM
    Thomas Brown, CGCS said:
    Timothy Walker, CGCS said: I like the idea...however as an employee who has to depend on the club for health care benefits it pisses me off. What really pisses me off is that employers can't afford to provide health benefits for full time staff. I'm not referring to part time retirees or students, but superintendents, assistants, and mechanics. If the cost to insure wasn't so ridiculous we wouldn't have to have this debate.

    I applaud you for partnering up and coming up with a way to help your employees.


    In anticipation of Obama-care, last year my club decided to no longer offer health care benefits to any employees including full time. All full time employees at both of our facilities are now seasonal (March to December) and might be able to avoid the government penalty's due to low staff size.

    Tom



    Tom you are always fighting an uphill battle. Hope you are well otherwise!



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