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  1. Thomas Brown
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    12/17/2012 6:12 AM
    I work at a blue collar semi-private 18 hole golf course in the mid Atlantic. For the last three years, I've been a seasonal superintendent - laid off with the rest of my crew, 12 to 13 weeks over the winter. The golf course remains open for play and I draw unemployment during this period. I was wondering if there are other superintendents out there in my situation. Feel free to contact me privately if you don't wish to discuss this publicly.

    Tom



  2. Whitehead Kyle J
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    12/17/2012 8:12 AM
    I will be laid off this year for 10 weeks, Friday will be my last day. Never was laid off before but due to the economy and lack of profits this year, there is no money.
    I will be actively looking for another job, probably out of this business. I don't really want to since the golf business is all I've ever done, but I don't think my course will be around much longer the way it's going.



  3. Hardy Andrew
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    12/18/2012 10:12 AM
    Would they not take your total wage and pay it out over the 12 months? That's what I have done at my work. I am now off for 8 weeks with minimal reporting in to work but still drawing a paycheck every 2 weeks. Not open year round though.



  4. Melvin Waldron
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    12/18/2012 12:12 PM
    I would say, Andrew's way would stop them or cut down the amount they would have to pay into unemployment wouldn't it?

    Of course if they found someone cheaper to do the job then they would hire them rather then bring someone back?

    Sorry that is what is happening, seems short sighted in my opinion but I guess since it's not my business.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  5. Peter Bowman
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    12/18/2012 1:12 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:

    Of course if they found someone cheaper to do the job then they would hire them rather then bring someone back?

    Mel


    No, not of course.



  6. David Brandenburg
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    3 posts
    12/18/2012 3:12 PM
    Thomas Brown, CGCS said: I work at a blue collar semi-private 18 hole golf course in the mid Atlantic. For the last three years, I've been a seasonal superintendent - laid off with the rest of my crew, 12 to 13 weeks over the winter. The golf course remains open for play and I draw unemployment during this period. I was wondering if there are other superintendents out there in my situation. Feel free to contact me privately if you don't wish to discuss this publicly.

    Tom


    Tom,

    If your course remains open who does the work?

    I have not been in your situation but I know of more superintendents each year that are. Most of our courses are seasonal up here but there is still plenty to do during the winter.

    Short term it might not make a difference but long term there is maintenance to equipment, buildings and the course not getting done causing more expense and reduced quality down the road.

    There is no easy answer to these changes. With rising prices and less income golf is not the profit center it once was. The golfers just to not realize how much it costs to provide the conditions they want to see, they only want a bargain and then complain when the rough on 12 is long and the bunker on 3 is softer than the one on 2.

    Good luck to you and your operation.



  7. Thomas Brown
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    12/19/2012 7:12 AM
    To answer most of your questions:

    Averaging my pay over the year was not offered as an option. Basically, this is a pay cut that a soon to be 59 yr. old reluctantly accepts. I draw unemployment.

    In regard to who does the work; "someone" needs to change pins,move tee markers, etc. when needed throughout a mild winter. If "someone" didn't do necessary maintenance there would be damage that would hamper recovery in the Spring.

    Most of our equipment is over 20 yrs. old including greens mowers and fairway mowers (Jac. LF 100"s) just to name a few and we spend the entire season dealing with breakdowns and hydraulic leaks. The irrigation system is the original "state of the art" circa 1966 semi-automatic. It's now fully manual. This is all made possible by my assistant/equipment manager who helped build the course and then stayed on the crew. He's now 68, drawing S.S. and working full time in season.

    When I protested the layoff, I was informed of a old golf pro that was told he would have to take a 50% pay cut if he wanted to remain the golf pro. He agreed. I always thought that if a golf course operation was a car the golf pro would be considered the paint job and the super would be the engine. We all know how far that car will go without an engine.

    I think the hardest thing of all is the lack of appreciation for the hard work throughout the season under the added stress of old unmaintained equipment and an inefficient irrigation system. The bottom line is that I love my job as a superintendent and appreciate the fact that many of us don't have jobs right now in this industry. I am blessed in many ways and don't want this to be a pity party. I was just wondering how many others out there are in the same "car" (boat if you prefer).



  8. Timothy Walker
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    12/19/2012 9:12 PM
    Tom,

    I used to go to a part time schedule with part time pay when I was in Philly running 2 properties.

    Hope you are well otherwise- it's been a while!

    Happy holiday season,



  9. Robert Crockett
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    4 posts
    12/27/2012 9:12 AM
    Thomas Brown, CGCS said: To answer most of your questions:

    Averaging my pay over the year was not offered as an option. Basically, this is a pay cut that a soon to be 59 yr. old reluctantly accepts. I draw unemployment.

    In regard to who does the work; "someone" needs to change pins,move tee markers, etc. when needed throughout a mild winter. If "someone" didn't do necessary maintenance there would be damage that would hamper recovery in the Spring.

    Most of our equipment is over 20 yrs. old including greens mowers and fairway mowers (Jac. LF 100"s) just to name a few and we spend the entire season dealing with breakdowns and hydraulic leaks. The irrigation system is the original "state of the art" circa 1966 semi-automatic. It's now fully manual. This is all made possible by my assistant/equipment manager who helped build the course and then stayed on the crew. He's now 68, drawing S.S. and working full time in season.

    When I protested the layoff, I was informed of a old golf pro that was told he would have to take a 50% pay cut if he wanted to remain the golf pro. He agreed. I always thought that if a golf course operation was a car the golf pro would be considered the paint job and the super would be the engine. We all know how far that car will go without an engine.

    I think the hardest thing of all is the lack of appreciation for the hard work throughout the season under the added stress of old unmaintained equipment and an inefficient irrigation system. The bottom line is that I love my job as a superintendent and appreciate the fact that many of us don't have jobs right now in this industry. I am blessed in many ways and don't want this to be a pity party. I was just wondering how many others out there are in the same "car" (boat if you prefer).

    That"s just unbelievable!!!! It demeans the level of "CGCS" and then they lay you off Seasonally and put you on the payroll of the American Taxpayer? If it were not for Unions mutating into greedy corps, I could see why the GCSAA should form such a union. However the supply of Superintendents is far greater than the demand. There is NO protection for us when we get to the age that we can easily be replaced.



  10. James Schmid
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    1 posts
    12/27/2012 1:12 PM
    Robert Crockett said:
    Thomas Brown, CGCS said: To answer most of your questions:

    Averaging my pay over the year was not offered as an option. Basically, this is a pay cut that a soon to be 59 yr. old reluctantly accepts. I draw unemployment.

    In regard to who does the work; "someone" needs to change pins,move tee markers, etc. when needed throughout a mild winter. If "someone" didn't do necessary maintenance there would be damage that would hamper recovery in the Spring.

    Most of our equipment is over 20 yrs. old including greens mowers and fairway mowers (Jac. LF 100"s) just to name a few and we spend the entire season dealing with breakdowns and hydraulic leaks. The irrigation system is the original "state of the art" circa 1966 semi-automatic. It's now fully manual. This is all made possible by my assistant/equipment manager who helped build the course and then stayed on the crew. He's now 68, drawing S.S. and working full time in season.

    When I protested the layoff, I was informed of a old golf pro that was told he would have to take a 50% pay cut if he wanted to remain the golf pro. He agreed. I always thought that if a golf course operation was a car the golf pro would be considered the paint job and the super would be the engine. We all know how far that car will go without an engine.

    I think the hardest thing of all is the lack of appreciation for the hard work throughout the season under the added stress of old unmaintained equipment and an inefficient irrigation system. The bottom line is that I love my job as a superintendent and appreciate the fact that many of us don't have jobs right now in this industry. I am blessed in many ways and don't want this to be a pity party. I was just wondering how many others out there are in the same "car" (boat if you prefer).

    That"s just unbelievable!!!! It demeans the level of "CGCS" and then they lay you off Seasonally and put you on the payroll of the American Taxpayer? If it were not for Unions mutating into greedy corps, I could see why the GCSAA should form such a union. However the supply of Superintendents is far greater than the demand. There is NO protection for us when we get to the age that we can easily be replaced.


    Managers can't unionize, at least according to the National Labor Relations Act.



  11. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    12/27/2012 5:12 PM
    James Schmid said:
    Managers can't unionize, at least according to the National Labor Relations Act.


    When I was in New Jersey 15 years ago working as a Superintendent/Manager for a county course we were unionized. Not sure if that has changed since then.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  12. Christopher Sorrell
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    0 posts
    12/29/2012 11:12 AM
    Thomas Brown, CGCS said: To answer most of your questions:

    Averaging my pay over the year was not offered as an option. Basically, this is a pay cut that a soon to be 59 yr. old reluctantly accepts. I draw unemployment.

    In regard to who does the work; "someone" needs to change pins,move tee markers, etc. when needed throughout a mild winter. If "someone" didn't do necessary maintenance there would be damage that would hamper recovery in the Spring.

    Most of our equipment is over 20 yrs. old including greens mowers and fairway mowers (Jac. LF 100"s) just to name a few and we spend the entire season dealing with breakdowns and hydraulic leaks. The irrigation system is the original "state of the art" circa 1966 semi-automatic. It's now fully manual. This is all made possible by my assistant/equipment manager who helped build the course and then stayed on the crew. He's now 68, drawing S.S. and working full time in season.

    When I protested the layoff, I was informed of a old golf pro that was told he would have to take a 50% pay cut if he wanted to remain the golf pro. He agreed. I always thought that if a golf course operation was a car the golf pro would be considered the paint job and the super would be the engine. We all know how far that car will go without an engine.

    I think the hardest thing of all is the lack of appreciation for the hard work throughout the season under the added stress of old unmaintained equipment and an inefficient irrigation system. The bottom line is that I love my job as a superintendent and appreciate the fact that many of us don't have jobs right now in this industry. I am blessed in many ways and don't want this to be a pity party. I was just wondering how many others out there are in the same "car" (boat if you prefer).



    I would suggest that this is the reason that everyone must be actively involved with both the local and national GCSAA. For all the effort that has been put into realizing the goal of superintendents being viewed as the extremely talented professionals they are, there are many of us who are still dealing with organizations that see us as nothing more laborers. I have been unfortunate enough to have worked with some of the most incompetent and unprepared superiors imaginable during my career in golf maintenance and have began believing this is the more the norm than an exception. It is also one of the greatest threats to the prosperity of the game of golf.
    The professional superintendent is one who is trained to handle labor structures, budget, agronomic issues, irrigation issues and so many other things. Yet we commonly have to answer to golf pros or golf pros turned GMs who know how to play golf really well AND fold shirts nicely!
    I have frankly begun to become disillusioned with the profession. Not because I dislike my work everyday, but I have very rarely received the respect and valuation that is in order for a professional. But I am certain that if anything is going to change we are all going to have to act together to MAKE it change. Pros and GMs are not going to respect us if we do not make a case for it with one unified and forceful voice. The only way this will happen is through the organization.



  13. Corey Eastwood
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    82 posts
    12/30/2012 8:12 PM
    Christoper

    Ditto to your post during my career. I will never understand the hiring of the GM's that destroy facility after facility. :(

    Corey Eastwood CGCS, Stockton Golf & CC, Retired

  14. Quigney Michael T
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    1/1/2013 7:01 PM
    Don't waste your time complaining about the GM. Become the GM. I've been a superintendent/GM for 7+ years now.

    Trust me - if I can do it - anyone can. I went back to school in 2005 and earned a bachelor's degree in business. I am the only employee at our facility that DOESN'T get laid off. No offense to our mechanic or clubhouse manager - but I've made myself more valuable to the operation than either of them.

    The PGA spent significant time and resources educating it's members on the value of running the entire operation. Many golf pros have been taught the value of becoming the GM or Director of Golf. We need to learn from their success.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Regards,

    Mike Quigney
    Executive Director
    Moon Golf Club



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