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  1. Sandy Clark
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    3/14/2012 8:03 AM
    The CBO, who many of you love to quote has just announced that the Presidents health care plan will cost nearly two trillion dollars over 10 years. This is double what what forecast. Funny thing, another government program costing way more than forecast. For those that still don't think abortion will be covered, consider this. If you are an illegal alien and get caught coming across the border, if you claim to be undergoing gender transformation, you will be given free hormone shots without needing to provide a stitch of evidence that you were in a program in your country of origin. If we will pay for that, don't think for a minute that you won't be paying for abortions and sex change operations! Obamacare gets worse everyday!



  2. Jon Gansen
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    3/14/2012 3:03 PM
    No wonder the pass first then find out what is in it. And cost will not matter if the CBO says 1.76 trillion now a year later what are the chances that figure is even higher next year.



  3. Wahlin Scott B
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    3/14/2012 4:03 PM
    The Estimated Net Cost of the Insurance Coverage Provisions Is Smaller Than Estimated in March 2011

    CBO and JCT now estimate that the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA will have a net cost of just under $1.1 trillion over the 2012-2021 period-about $50 billion less than the agencies' March 2011 estimate for that 10-year period.

    From:

    http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43080



  4. Jon Gansen
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    3/14/2012 5:03 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: The Estimated Net Cost of the Insurance Coverage Provisions Is Smaller Than Estimated in March 2011

    CBO and JCT now estimate that the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA will have a net cost of just under $1.1 trillion over the 2012-2021 period-about $50 billion less than the agencies' March 2011 estimate for that 10-year period.

    From:

    http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43080



    As you read farther down the page what is this?
    The ACA's provisions related to insurance coverage are now projected to have a net cost of $1,252 billion over the 2012-2022 period; that amount represents a gross cost to the federal government of $1,762 billion, offset in part by $510 billion in receipts and other budgetary effects (primarily revenues from penalties and other sources).

    What I got out of it the rising cost of the program will be paid for by raising penalites and more taxes on the people who already have the cadillac of insurance premiums.

    Gross additional costs of $1.5 trillion for Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), tax credits and other subsidies for the purchase of health insurance through the newly established exchanges and related costs, and tax credits for small employers,
    Offset in part by about $0.4 trillion in receipts from penalty payments, the new excise tax on high-premium insurance plans, and other budgetary effects (mostly increases in tax revenues

    Scott there is alot that I read here I dont understand. Im being serious. What does this line mean:
    $107 billion in deficits from the projected revenue effects of changes in taxable compensation and penalty payments and from other small changes in estimated spending.
    Really can they post something that a person can understand, really you go nuts trying to figure it out.
    What did it cost the country before this reform???



  5. Wahlin Scott B
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    3/14/2012 6:03 PM
    I do not understand it either Jon, but I do see that no one is covering it (along with widespread illegal sex changes) the way that Sandy's news outlets do. I feel sure that if there was something that dramatic going on our potential Republican Candidates would not be talking about contraception.



  6. Jon Gansen
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    3/14/2012 8:03 PM
    My gosh Scott can we be honest and say that the contraception issue was drummed up by the Democrats? When has any Republican ever said no to it. They have said no to making insurance companies pay for it. Where in the world cant you get contraceptives free. Any town in Iowa over 20,000 people have something like planned parenthood they can get on the pill for free if they qualify.
    On NPR last week they said the US government spent 19 million dollars in condoms that were given out.



  7. McCallum David K
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    3/15/2012 6:03 AM
    Sandy if you recall the esteemed former Speaker of the House plainly stated.........."you must first pass the bill BEFORE we find out what's in it"............the lady knew what she was talking about apparently.



  8. Sean Hoolehan
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    3/15/2012 7:03 AM
    Jon Gansen said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: The Estimated Net Cost of the Insurance Coverage Provisions Is Smaller Than Estimated in March 2011

    CBO and JCT now estimate that the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA will have a net cost of just under $1.1 trillion over the 2012-2021 period-about $50 billion less than the agencies' March 2011 estimate for that 10-year period.

    From:

    http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43080



    As you read farther down the page what is this?
    The ACA's provisions related to insurance coverage are now projected to have a net cost of $1,252 billion over the 2012-2022 period; that amount represents a gross cost to the federal government of $1,762 billion, offset in part by $510 billion in receipts and other budgetary effects (primarily revenues from penalties and other sources).

    What I got out of it the rising cost of the program will be paid for by raising penalites and more taxes on the people who already have the cadillac of insurance premiums. As I have said many times penalties for cadillac plans based on premiums is a example of failure of the PPACA (Obamacare) Premiums are a reflection of the health of the pool and not a good basis for quality of benefits.

    Gross additional costs of $1.5 trillion for Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), tax credits and other subsidies for the purchase of health insurance through the newly established exchanges and related costs, and tax credits for small employers,
    Offset in part by about $0.4 trillion in receipts from penalty payments, the new excise tax on high-premium insurance plans, and other budgetary effects (mostly increases in tax revenues

    Scott there is alot that I read here I dont understand. Im being serious. What does this line mean:
    $107 billion in deficits from the projected revenue effects of changes in taxable compensation and penalty payments and from other small changes in estimated spending. This means new taxes by eliminating Flex plans and the pretax payment of insurance benefits.
    Really can they post something that a person can understand, really you go nuts trying to figure it out.
    What did it cost the country before this reform???



  9. McCallum David K
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    3/15/2012 11:03 AM
    Thanks for the clarification Sean since we have a Flex plan at work and love the perk, benefit or whatever you want to call it of having pre-tax $ taken from my check to pay for out of pocket stuff........primarily my co-pays and prescriptions over the course of a year.



  10. Melvin Waldron
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    3/15/2012 11:03 AM
    I think Sean needs to go to Washington to straighten this thing out and have it work the way I believe it was envisioned.

    Their are many good ideas that were needed and installed in the plan as I understand it, but I do remember Sean saying long ago that because of how it was crafted (with too much input from lobbyists) it won't work as well as it should have.

    That's why I don't like all the rhetoric from the right about getting rid of it, let's get both sides to fix it and be more beneficial to all, those that don't need insurance except for those catastrophic things, and for those that have to rely on insurance when monthly cost for just prescriptions is more then a mortgage payment.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  11. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    3/15/2012 12:03 PM
    Beginning in 2018 "Cadillac" Health Plans (over $10,200/yr for singles and $30,950 for families) will be taxed at 40% for every dollar over these amounts. If the premiums are a reflection of the health of the group they can value their insurance based on age and gender demographics of the national risk pool.

    In 2013 you will only be able to take $2500 out pre-tax for flex plans. In addition, even though employers will be required to list the value of your health plan on your W-2 it is for informational purposes only and has no taxable consequences.



  12. Wahlin Scott B
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    3/16/2012 6:03 AM
    The PPACA makes it possible for workers to get the same tax break for purchasing health insurance on the individual market (via an exchange or otherwise) as they would if they bought their employer-sponsored plan (if they're offered one).



  13. Trevor Monreal
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    3/16/2012 7:03 AM
    Something needs to be done to reduce the cost of healthcare in this country.
    Unfortunately, the only way that can be done is to get the government out of it.
    At this point...That just wont happen (I don't see how).
    Conservatives argued that with government "guided" (which looks like a worse idea than "controlled") healthcare, there would be "death panels".
    My argument with this is different...there is no way the "bleeding hearts" will allow an unemployed homeless person to be pulled off a ventilator at OUR expense. OR, medical marijuana Rx centers to open up at every corner and distribute some FREE "pain" relief, again, at our expense.
    So...how much is all of this, and more, gonna cost us???
    No idea. A lot more than we can even imagine (especially once we put in a few hundred Czars along with their staffs to oversee all of this). But I can see what will end up happening. Conservatives will end up being the ones, in an effort to control the cost of this monstrosity, saying "steps" need to be taken.
    Steps=death panels or The Department of Transition
    Then...those of us that end up having to pay for all of this will agree "steps" need to be taken just to be called racists, homophobes, anti-women, etc.
    This will be fun!



  14. Steve Nelson
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    3/16/2012 8:03 AM
    I find it ironic that most people say get gov't out of health care but don't touch my freakin medicare, all in the same breath. Most of the dicussion/arguments is just politics and has little to do with actual health care.



  15. McCallum David K
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    3/16/2012 8:03 AM
    Don't be talkin bout no medicare Willis................some of us on this fourm are getting close.....speaking of old guys like Captain and Sandy and Ron and all the old guys



  16. Jon Gansen
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    1 posts
    3/16/2012 1:03 PM
    Steve Nelson, CGCS said: I find it ironic that most people say get gov't out of health care but don't touch my freakin medicare, all in the same breath. Most of the dicussion/arguments is just politics and has little to do with actual health care.


    One thing is Im paying into medicare now and social security now! What are the chances that will be there in 20 years at this rate?? Why is it that medicaid will be expanded in the Obama care for anyone over 133% of poverty?
    I agree with you that politics does come into play. One side wants people dependent on government and the other side wants individuals to take control of their life fend for themselves if they are able. I wont label which is which.



  17. Wahlin Scott B
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    3/16/2012 1:03 PM
    Jon Gansen said:
    Steve Nelson, CGCS said: I find it ironic that most people say get gov't out of health care but don't touch my freakin medicare, all in the same breath. Most of the dicussion/arguments is just politics and has little to do with actual health care.


    One thing is Im paying into medicare now and social security now! What are the chances that will be there in 20 years at this rate?? Why is it that medicaid will be expanded in the Obama care for anyone over 133% of poverty?
    I agree with you that politics does come into play. One side wants people dependent on government and the other side wants individuals to take control of their life fend for themselves if they are able. I wont label which is which.


    You also probably have health insurance. If you need health care there is a means to address it without the government. Many people do not do this because they either cannot afford it or they assume you and I will take care of it. The PPACA addresses both of these groups. It will be less expensive for the responsible taxpayers to support health care reform.



  18. Wahlin Scott B
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    3/17/2012 7:03 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Jon Gansen said:
    Steve Nelson, CGCS said: I find it ironic that most people say get gov't out of health care but don't touch my freakin medicare, all in the same breath. Most of the dicussion/arguments is just politics and has little to do with actual health care.


    One thing is Im paying into medicare now and social security now! What are the chances that will be there in 20 years at this rate?? Why is it that medicaid will be expanded in the Obama care for anyone over 133% of poverty?
    I agree with you that politics does come into play. One side wants people dependent on government and the other side wants individuals to take control of their life fend for themselves if they are able. I wont label which is which.


    You also probably have health insurance. If you need health care there is a means to address it without the government. Many people do not do this because they either cannot afford it and/or they (correctly) assume you and I will take care of it. The PPACA addresses both of these groups. It will be less expensive for the responsible taxpayers to support health care reform.



  19. Stephen Okula
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    3/17/2012 2:03 PM
    Trevor Monreal said: OR, medical marijuana Rx centers to open up at every corner and distribute some FREE "pain" relief, again, at our expense.


    Wow! Free pot on every street corner! I'm gonna vote for Obama again, he's the best President ever!



  20. Steven Kurta
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    3/17/2012 4:03 PM
    ...also, I hear they're passing out free vaginas at the border.



  21. Peter Bowman
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    3/17/2012 4:03 PM
    Canadian border?



  22. Steven Kurta
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    3/17/2012 11:03 PM
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said: Canadian border?


    Homme is in luck!



  23. Ronald Kirkman
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    3/18/2012 9:03 PM
    David McCallum said: Don't be talkin bout no medicare Willis................some of us on this fourm are getting close.....speaking of old guys like Captain and Sandy and Ron and all the old guys


    David, easy on us old guys.

    David & Jon - President Obama will give up his current Health Care Program and He - The Senate and Congess will join with us in his new Universal Health Care System. However, I think the Kennedy Doctrine eliminates The President, Congress and the Senate from joining us. One problem with health care is we older folks need more programs for our TEETH - I mean like bridges, cleaning, root canals etc. (Yes, I still have my teeth.)

    Social Security has been good to us - My wife gets half my S.S. and the yearly total is $39,564.00. When she retires from her school job she will get her own pension but until she does she will continue to get half my S.S. We are not on Medicade yet because my wife is still working and we are covered by blue cross - blue shield. And, I still work 20 hrs. per week - at least that is what my salary is based on. However, the 20 hrs. per week really adds up to about 35 hours per week. No complaints though - just glad to be doing something for $13.00 per hour.

    You guys and gals keep working and paying into S.S.

    P.S. Steve from France - I have asked my solar system friends to intervene in getting your country out of Afghanistan but they can do nothing with your government because your Senate, House and President are smarter than you earthlings and they know better what is good for you.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



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