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  1. Melvin Waldron
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    11/7/2011 7:11 AM
    Guess this would be the proper thread since so many were protesting at the White House against this.

    I for one and since it isn't coming through my back yard don't have much of an opinion on this issue. I would say if it could be constructed to minimize any risk to the environment and it helps us with our energy problems, I would be inclined to support the project. If there are huge environmental risk, I would be against it.

    My question is, why does this have to go all the way to Houston to be refined? (that is as I understand the project, someone correct me if I'm wrong) Wouldn't it be just as job creating if they built a refinery up there in the Dakotas and wouldn't it cost less to build a refinery then all those miles of pipe? The only issue I could think that wouldn't be cost efficient is if the distribution from a refinery in up north doesn't exist, now that might be a cost issue where it is cheaper to run it to Houston, anyone know the real deal of this?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  2. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    11/7/2011 2:11 PM
    A bit old but still probably holds true.

    US appears to have built its last refinery

    Jun 12, 2001 02:00 AM
    No new refineries have been built in the US in the past 25 years. And petroleum industry experts say anyone would have to be crazy to launch such an effort -- even though present refineries are running at nearly 100 % of capacity and local gasoline shortages are beginning to crop up.

    Why does the industry appear to have built its last refinery?
    Three reasons: Refineries are not particularly profitable, environmentalists fight planning and construction every step of the way and government red-tape makes the task all but impossible. The last refinery built in the US was in Garyville, Louisiana, and it started up in 1976.
    Energy proposed building a refinery near Portsmouth, Virginia, in the late 1970s, environmental groups and local residents fought the plan -- and it took almost nine years of battles in court and before federal and state regulators before the company cancelled the project in 1984.

    Industry officials estimate the cost of building a new refinery at between $ 2 bn and $ 4 bn -- at a time the industry must devote close to $ 20 bn over the next decade to reducing the sulphur content in gasoline and other fuels -- and approval could mean having to collect up to 800 different permits. As if those hurdles weren't enough, the industry's long-term rate of return on capital is just 5 % -- less than could be realized by simply buying US Treasury bonds.
    "I'm sure that at some point in the last 20 years someone has considered building a new refinery," says James Halloran, an energy analyst with National City Corp. "But they quickly came to their senses," he adds.

    Source: Investor's Business Daily



  3. McCallum David K
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    11/8/2011 8:11 AM
    Mel unfortunately it's probably much cheaper to build a pipeline than a refinery and getting environmental approval is just as difficult. The naysayers screamed about the Alaskan pipeline as well.......natural disasters waiting to happen.......... will destroy t he habitat for wildlife. Though there have been few minor problems over the years it has been nowhere near the diaster they tree huggers claimed. I have in fact seen many elk, caribou and other animals standing beneath the pipeline enjoying the warmth during the winter in Alaska.

    Everything we do in life has risks............good thing ole Chris Columbus had some gonads isn't it?



  4. Nowakowski Michael J
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    11/8/2011 10:11 AM
    I am guessing you are talking about the Keystone pipeline coming out of Alberta? If so, we do not have refineries up here to refine this bitumen...a problem up here as everyone says why do we not refine it instead of sending the raw material to the States. Anyways, if we do not send it South, we will be sending it West and eventually it will head to Asia. We have tried up here to extol the virtues of ethical oil, but protests continue, so another buyer is the next option.



  5. Steven Huffstutler
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    11 posts
    11/8/2011 2:11 PM
    What is "ethical oil", exactly. Is it like "Clean coal"?

    just curious as these terms seemed to be used constantly without any explanation.

    Regards,

    Steve



  6. Keith Pegg
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    0 posts
    11/8/2011 5:11 PM
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/can ... d=14868150
    Best I could fine was this. Kind of like being "hung with a new rope or an old rope".

    Keith
    Zama, Japan


    huff said: What is "ethical oil", exactly. Is it like "Clean coal"?

    just curious as these terms seemed to be used constantly without any explanation.

    Regards,

    Steve



  7. Steven Huffstutler
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    11 posts
    11/8/2011 6:11 PM
    Hmmm. I guess it's better than "fracking"...but ethical, probably not. The truth remains though, that we are dependent on foreign oil, be it from our "frenemies" in Saudi Arabia or our cousins in Canada.

    Regards,

    Steve



  8. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    11/9/2011 8:11 AM
    No need to worry.........Obama has offered a US drilling plan.......all is well now that one solar company after another is going belly up with taxpayer money.



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