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Does peat content affect organic matter test?

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  1. Michael Rogers
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    10/23/2016 8:10 AM
    Hello, Does peat content enter into routine organic matter testing for golf greens ?

    Walkley-Black or similar for instance?? Thanks Michael

    Michael Rogers
    Marbella Golf Country Club



  2. Larry Allan
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    10/23/2016 9:10 AM
    I would think it does Mike. I always wondered the same. If your construction mix was a 90/10 I would assume it alone would show an organic percentage of 10 %. I am very confused that if we are aiming for 2-3% organic matter, how can you ever get there if you have started with 10%

    I could be completely dumb on this subject but if anyone can sum it up for me, I would appreciate it



  3. Michael Rogers
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    10/23/2016 12:10 PM
    Hey Larry, It is 90 / 10 by volume with peat coming in at +/- 1.5 g per cc and USGA sand at 2.65.

    USGA recommends peat with O.M. greater than 85% so it comes to a starting point of +/- 5% by weight as the tests conduct.

    My greens are at 1.8-1.9 O.M. but a fellow super here thinks the peat from construction 15 years ago applied on site Mixed from top ) is keeping his O.M. at 3.5% ( always by weight ) and not O.M. from thatch.

    I hope someone more knowledgeable chimes in.

    Un saludo Michael



  4. Larry Allan
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    10/24/2016 5:10 AM
    Michael Rogers said: Hey Larry, It is 90 / 10 by volume with peat coming in at +/- 1.5 g per cc and USGA sand at 2.65.

    USGA recommends peat with O.M. greater than 85% so it comes to a starting point of +/- 5% by weight as the tests conduct.

    My greens are at 1.8-1.9 O.M. but a fellow super here thinks the peat from construction 15 years ago applied on site Mixed from top ) is keeping his O.M. at 3.5% ( always by weight ) and not O.M. from thatch.

    I hope someone more knowledgeable chimes in.

    Un saludo Michael

    Thanks Micheal...I think



  5. Max Lamas
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    10/24/2016 8:10 AM
    Larry Allan said:
    Michael Rogers said: Hey Larry, It is 90 / 10 by volume with peat coming in at +/- 1.5 g per cc and USGA sand at 2.65.

    USGA recommends peat with O.M. greater than 85% so it comes to a starting point of +/- 5% by weight as the tests conduct.

    My greens are at 1.8-1.9 O.M. but a fellow super here thinks the peat from construction 15 years ago applied on site Mixed from top ) is keeping his O.M. at 3.5% ( always by weight ) and not O.M. from thatch.

    I hope someone more knowledgeable chimes in.

    Un saludo Michael

    Thanks Micheal...I think


    I would believe that outside of thatch we are looking for a 2 to 3% organic matter for water retention and soil structure. I would count thatch in an entirely different mater because it is not mixed with your soil and is more of a layer between the surface and the underlying soil.



  6. Michael Rogers
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    10/24/2016 12:10 PM
    Larry, More knowledgeable than I. I checked with one of the big rootzone providers and read the various ASTM testing methods for OM & organic carbon, blah blah.

    I really don´t have time to go through all the protocols but I think basically it is whatever you can burn away by weight is considered O.M. so peat does burn away so does enter the O.M. percentage.

    17 hours and counting today, time for football ( with the feet ) , beer ( Belgian, Russian, and Alhambra Verde ) langostinos a la plancha and some Ribero del Duero tinto.

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh



  7. Philip Busey
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    1/31/2017 12:01 PM
    I puzzled over the measurement of organic sources by volume in mixes, and the reporting of organic matter by weight in soil samples. How do you know if you are getting what you pay for? It can't be determined with certainty after the rootzone mix is blended.

    Part of this problem comes down to the weight dilution of a low bulk density material such as sphagnum peat or reed-sedge peat, compared with a high bulk density material such as sand. Depending on the ratios of bulk densities, you are always going to see a much lower % organic matter by weight in the mix than the % organic source by volume. The other part of this problem is the starting organic matter content of the organic source which can be above 85% or 90% for the high quality fibric sources such as sphagnum to as low as 40% for the low quality sapric sources such as muck. Muck, which is plentiful in Florida, is a suitable material for agricultural and highway work but Ohio State's Dr. Ed McCoy says cause "dangerously low permeability." Best recommendation is to use sphagnum peat or reed-sedge peat and make sure your supplier understands that you want analysis of the peat before it is mixed.

    Here's an article that explains this:
    http://philbusey.com/sports_turf/organic_matter.html
    And an organic source converter:
    http://philbusey.com/sports_turf/organi ... erter.html



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