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1. Wahlin Scott B

   
   4/3/2012 4:04 PM

   Paul Ryan wants to take 15 million seniors off Medicare. He thinks it is a good idea because health insurance companies will be "forced" (forced? seriously? the right did not want to force BP to clean up the Gulf!) to compete for their business. I can hear the insurance executives arguing now, "Hey, I get the 90yo with Alzheimer's!" "No you don't, I saw him first!"

   
   
   
   
2. Wahlin Scott B

   
   4/3/2012 5:04 PM

   [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF83rWr1Exk[/youtube">

   
   
   
   
3. Keith Pegg

   

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   4/3/2012 5:04 PM

   Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF83rWr1Exk[/youtube">

   
   
   
   Thanks Scott I passed on to all my RIGHT friends and my LEFT also..
   
   Keith
   Zama

   
   
   
   
4. Clay Putnam

   

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   4/3/2012 8:04 PM

   Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF83rWr1Exk[/youtube">

   
   
   
   
   
   That's not propaganda. Nah-ah. Not at all...

   
   
   
   
5. Albert Kronwall

   

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   4/4/2012 10:04 AM

   How about this for a change, read the house budget instead of regurgitate the Obama/MSNBC talking points.
   http://budget.house.gov/fy2012budget/ I would draw comparisons between the house budget that was passed and the senate budget but the senate is not going to produce a budget for the third straight year. Not one democrat or republican cast a vote for Obama's budget so that is not an option either. The lefties are quick to criticize anything the republicans propose but they are ok with not providing any solutions. It is a "fly by the seat of your pants" administration, or they don't want the taxpayers to know what their plan really is.
   
   How about you Obama followers try his strategy with your job if it is so great. Go to your board/owners and tell them that from here on out you are not going to produce a budget and follow it. Tell them that you are the expert in the room so you will spend as you feel necessary. See how that works out for you.

   
   
   
   
6. McCallum David K

   
   4/4/2012 10:04 AM

   Wow another Hollywood do gooder with an opinion............and his is worth much more than anyones on here for example. A left wing radical so he must be smart.......he really did a good job with his wacko son. Dating myself again but back in the early 90's Sheen's DO GOOD FOR THE WORLD was his ridiculous attempt at saving the homeless of the world............Sheen is up for whatever the crisis du jour happens to be. I would really love to know how many homeless people he actually saved.......bet you can count them on one hand.....and probably one hand...........the middle one.

   
   
   
   
7. Sandy Clark

   

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   4/4/2012 11:04 AM

   I pay no attention to anything any actor says, right or left. Many of them never graduated from high school and they pretend for a living. Other than that, they must be truly enlightened!

   
   
   
   
8. Wahlin Scott B

   
   4/4/2012 12:04 PM

   David and Sandy,
   
   How would you feel if told that you would not get Medicare and would need to find your own insurance? That is what Ryan is proposing.

   
   
   
   
9. Albert Kronwall

   

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   4/4/2012 1:04 PM

   Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: David and Sandy,
   
   How would you feel if told that you would not get Medicare and would need to find your own insurance? That is what Ryan is proposing.

   
   
   False talking point: House budget read pages 44 - 49 http://budget.house.gov/
   
   Anyone 55 and older will see no change in Medicare benefits.
   Starting in 2022, new Medicare beneficiaries will be enrolled in the same kind of health care program that
   members of Congress enjoy. Future Medicare recipients will be able to choose from a list of guaranteed coverage
   options, and they will be given the ability to choose a plan that works best for them. This is not a voucher
   program, but rather a premium-support model. A Medicare premium-support payment would be paid, by
   Medicare, to the plan chosen by the beneficiary, subsidizing its cost.
   
   To me this seems much better than having 15 unelected bureaucrats deciding what treatments I do/don't qualify for. For me, I choose FREEDOM OF CHOICE!
   
   Didn't Obama just chastise the unelected SCOTUS for considering overturning Obama Care, but yet he wants to appoint the 15 person board (IPAB) to decide what health care we may receive. A bit hypocritical?

   
   
   
   
10. Wahlin Scott B

    
    4/4/2012 2:04 PM

    Why would health insurance companies compete to get the business of the elderly, which is what Paul Ryan is suggesting?

    
    
    
    
11. Larry Allan

    

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    4/4/2012 3:04 PM

    David McCallum said: Wow another Hollywood do gooder with an opinion............and his is worth much more than anyones on here for example. A left wing radical so he must be smart.......he really did a good job with his wacko son. Dating myself again but back in the early 90's Sheen's DO GOOD FOR THE WORLD was his ridiculous attempt at saving the homeless of the world............Sheen is up for whatever the crisis du jour happens to be. I would really love to know how many homeless people he actually saved.......bet you can count them on one hand.....and probably one hand...........the middle one.

    
    David, how does your wife feel about that?

    
    
    
    
12. Sandy Clark

    

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    4/4/2012 4:04 PM

    I will listen to the author of the budget for actual explanations, not some activist actor that has an agenda. Stop and think for a minute about the left and the current administration. Check out the enemies list in just three short years. 1.) Big Pharma (2.)Insurance companies. (3.) Big evil oil companies (4.) Evil Wall Street speculators (5.) Banks (6) Corporate CEO's (7.) Any group that isn't union controlled. (8.) Greedy Universities that charge too much (We all know all education should be free!) (9.) Wallmart (10.) Today it is Coke (11.) Can't forget the evil utility companies (12.) Any group that receives a subsidy not decided by them but of course Solyndra and similiar companies are investments in our future. (13.) Christianity in general, the Catholic Church specifically. With a thinking process like this, I think I will trust someone like Ryan to propose a budget that works. I nearly forgot, Las Vegas is also an enemy except when you need Harry Reid's vote. Obama proposed a budget that got ZERO votes from his own party. Harry will not bring a vote on a budget to the floor. You want Obamacare but you don't want deficits. Ryan recognizes that we are broke and hanging on a cliff by one finger. Obama wants budgets that will transform America. He would need all of us to be greedy millionaires and billionaires to pay for it. His budget wants to regulate and ration while Ryan looks to the future to help us grow again. Easy choice!

    
    
    
    
13. Albert Kronwall

    

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    4/4/2012 4:04 PM

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: Why would health insurance companies compete to get the business of the elderly, which is what Paul Ryan is suggesting?

    
    
    The premium-support model would operate similar to the way the Medicare prescription-drug benefit program
    works today. The Medicare premium-support payment would be adjusted so that wealthier beneficiaries would
    receive a lower subsidy, the sick would receive a higher payment if their conditions worsened, and lower-income
    seniors would receive additional assistance to cover out-of-pocket costs.
    This approach to strengthen the Medicare program ensures security and affordability for seniors now and into
    the future. First, it ensures security by setting up a tightly regulated exchange for Medicare plans. Health plans
    that choose to participate in the Medicare exchange must agree to offer insurance to all Medicare beneficiaries,
    to avoid cherry-picking and ensure that Medicare's sickest and highest-cost beneficiaries receive coverage. This
    reform builds upon the bipartisan Rivlin-Ryan Medicare reform plan advanced in the President's Fiscal
    Commission in 2010.
    
    Again, please read the plan. I'm sure everyone else here that is truely interested in the truth has taken the time to read the budget. It will provide the answers to your questions if you are willing to open your mind to a different way of thinking.
    http://budget.house.gov/UploadedFiles/P ... FY2012.pdf

    
    
    
    
14. Wahlin Scott B

    
    4/4/2012 4:04 PM

    I read the pages that you referred to and none of that was there. If what you wrote is the case that sounds good.

    
    
    
    
15. Wahlin Scott B

    
    4/4/2012 7:04 PM

    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: That's not propaganda. Nah-ah. Not at all...

    
    
    This is not a problem for me, because I am confident that I personally have it covered. I am concerned about those who fall through the cracks; people who may have miscalculated (could be me?) or just do not have it, the people we rely upon to risk their lives to protect this nation. In my opinion it is just time to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans to insure the strength of the nation.

    
    
    
    
16. Melvin Waldron

    

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    4/4/2012 8:04 PM

    Andy,
    
    Thanks for the links, only issue I have with it, is that it's the republicans version of what their budget proposes and then I can click on the link to the democrats site, which disputes information on the republicans budget web site. After two long days of aerifying I haven't the energy or time to look at both now.
    
    I thought I saw in an earlier post or maybe it was in another thread, (I just looked for it and couldn't find it) about this new plan would allow us under 55, (that damn Capt. and DMac are going to be taken care of by us, I guess that's the price we pay for their wisdom) to get insurance just like congress gets. I may be wrong, (of course) but isn't that how the Affordable Care Act is set up for those who don't have insurance? Or is it different because it would be operated by the states?
    
    As for those bashing Sheen, heck he was a more popular president on TV then any of the real ones. But I agree why listen to him? I don't, just like I don't listen to people like Rove and others from the right.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
17. Ronald Kirkman

    

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    4/4/2012 9:04 PM

    Gee! Thanks Mel,
    
    I really do appreciate all you ladies & gentlemen 55 yrs and younger taking care of us elderly people.
    
    I'll let you in on a little secret - I don't have Medicaid yet - still have our private Bl CR BL SH plan. It seems almost daily I read about corruption and illegal activity with Medicaid and billions of dollars are lost per year. This is our biggest problem with government run health care. Another problem is, those people caught cheating and stealing our money get a slap on the wrist.
    
    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham golf Club
    Needham, MA

    
    
    
    
18. Clay Putnam

    

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    4/5/2012 6:04 AM

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:

    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: That's not propaganda. Nah-ah. Not at all...

    
    
    This is not a problem for me, because I am confident that I personally have it covered. I am concerned about those who fall through the cracks; people who may have miscalculated (could be me?) or just do not have it, the people we rely upon to risk their lives to protect this nation. In my opinion it is just time to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans to insure the strength of the nation.

    
    
    
    Very well put. Short, succinct, heart felt, and honest. Now that should be in the movie clip in place of Martin Sheen's propaganda BS.

    
    
    
    
19. Melvin Waldron

    

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    4/5/2012 7:04 AM

    Ronald Kirkman said: Gee! Thanks Mel,
    
    I really do appreciate all you ladies & gentlemen 55 yrs and younger taking care of us elderly people.
    
    I'll let you in on a little secret - I don't have Medicaid yet - still have our private Bl CR BL SH plan. It seems almost daily I read about corruption and illegal activity with Medicaid and billions of dollars are lost per year. This is our biggest problem with government run health care. Another problem is, those people caught cheating and stealing our money get a slap on the wrist.
    
    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham golf Club
    Needham, MA

    
    
    Thanks Capt. for taking it easy on us.
    
    I have to agree with the corruption and illegal activity with Medicaid and Medicare. Question is how to avoid it...do we hire more people to track issues? (we can't do that hiring more government workers can we?) Develop better software systems to track and catch people? (more government spending, can't do that). Privatize? (we saw how well that worked in Iraq with Haliburton and others). I would say I would like to see more then a slap on the wrist, but depending on the crime, can we afford to put more people in jail? Maybe fines up the wazoo, if they have the money to pay for it? I would sure like to hear what the solution for that would be.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
20. Albert Kronwall

    

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    4/5/2012 10:04 AM

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: I read the pages that you referred to and none of that was there. If what you wrote is the case that sounds good.

    
    
    My post was cut and pasted from page 47 of the 2012 house budget

    
    
    
    
21. Albert Kronwall

    

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    4/5/2012 11:04 AM

    Mel,
    
    You are correct, the house budget would allow anyone under 55 to purchase coverage that is the same as congress coverage.
    
    The Affordable Care Act (aka:Obama Care) will move everyone to Medicaid type coverage. It will have a 15 person panel of "experts" -Independent Payment Advisory Board- (IPAB)that are appointed not elected, we can't vote them out. They will be in charge of determining what treatments are covered under the plan.
    
    My main concern is that I will lose my freedom to choose my health care to a bunch of bureaucrats that will make choices for me.

    
    
    
    
22. Melvin Waldron

    

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    4/5/2012 1:04 PM

    Albert Kronwall said: Mel,
    
    You are correct, the house budget would allow anyone under 55 to purchase coverage that is the same as congress coverage.
    
    The Affordable Care Act (aka:Obama Care) will move everyone to Medicaid type coverage. It will have a 15 person panel of "experts" -Independent Payment Advisory Board- (IPAB)that are appointed not elected, we can't vote them out. They will be in charge of determining what treatments are covered under the plan.
    
    My main concern is that I will lose my freedom to choose my health care to a bunch of bureaucrats that will make choices for me.

    
    
    Andy, how different is that from an insurance company that will (under the old laws) not pay more then $1 million lifetime maximum, or dropping someone that comes down with an illness, (disease) or not allowing pre-existing conditions?
    
    By the way I am hoping to post a link about the IPAB, really on reading this, it is mostly dealing with waste and fraud, or encouraging the medical field to be more efficient, that's how I understand it anyway.
    
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/ ... sory-board
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
23. McCallum David K

    
    4/5/2012 3:04 PM

    Red she actually likes it. I'm gone a lot, she knows I'm a cheap date so no big money being spent, I'm the only one I get along with consistently and she says enjoy all the sex you want............with either one.
    
    Mel, like the good Captain not on the "care" yet and still a few years away. I will keep working as long as they pay me becasue what I make compared to what social security is going to pay is substantial. I like my lifestyle and I have to have something to do.......can't play golf everyday like Ron. I've paid into the system a little longer than some of you young guys so plan on collecting on it at some point.

    
    
    
    
24. Wahlin Scott B

    
    4/5/2012 3:04 PM

    Albert Kronwall said:

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: I read the pages that you referred to and none of that was there. If what you wrote is the case that sounds good.

    
    
    My post was cut and pasted from page 47 of the 2012 house budget

    
    
    I was referring your post starting with "Anyone 55 and older..." It looks like a cut n paste but I don't see it on those pages.

    
    
    
    
25. Albert Kronwall

    

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    4/5/2012 7:04 PM

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:

    Albert Kronwall said:

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: I read the pages that you referred to and none of that was there. If what you wrote is the case that sounds good.

    
    
    My post was cut and pasted from page 47 of the 2012 house budget

    
    
    I was referring your post starting with "Anyone 55 and older..." It looks like a cut n paste but I don't see it on those pages.

    
    
    Page 47 third paragraph
    While there would be no disruptions in the current Medicare fee-for-service program for those currently enrolled or becoming eligible in the next ten years, all seniors would have the choice to opt into the new Medicare program once it begins in 2022. No senior would be forced to stay in the old program.This budget gives seniors the freedom to choose a plan that works best for them and guarantees health security throughout their retirement years.

    
    
    
    
26. Wahlin Scott B

    
    4/5/2012 7:04 PM

    Albert Kronwall said:

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:

    Albert Kronwall said:

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: I read the pages that you referred to and none of that was there. If what you wrote is the case that sounds good.

    
    
    My post was cut and pasted from page 47 of the 2012 house budget

    
    
    I was referring your post starting with "Anyone 55 and older..." It looks like a cut n paste but I don't see it on those pages.

    
    
    Page 47 third paragraph
    While there would be no disruptions in the current Medicare fee-for-service program for those currently enrolled or becoming eligible in the next ten years, all seniors would have the choice to opt into the new Medicare program once it begins in 2022. No senior would be forced to stay in the old program.This budget gives seniors the freedom to choose a plan that works best for them and guarantees health security throughout their retirement years.

    
    
    That is different than offering me the health plan the congress enjoys and does not pay for.

    
    
    
    
27. Wahlin Scott B

    
    4/5/2012 8:04 PM

    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF83rWr1Exk[/youtube">

    
    
    
    
    
    That's not propaganda. Nah-ah. Not at all...

    
    
    I watched it again just to compare it to "propaganda". There is nothing there that is not reality. The only way to stay civil for this election, I am afraid, is to be quiet and vote.

    
    
    
    
28. Jon Gansen

    

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    4/5/2012 10:04 PM

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:

    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF83rWr1Exk[/youtube">

    
    
    
    
    
    That's not propaganda. Nah-ah. Not at all...

    
    
    I watched it again just to compare it to "propaganda". There is nothing there that is not reality. The only way to stay civil for this election, I am afraid, is to be quiet and vote.

    
    
    I have to agree Scott it is propaganda. When Hollywood of the left talks of the right cutting medicare, social security, and the huge assortment of entitlements, that is fear mongering on the left. When I watch a video like this I feel like Im being talked down at. ( people on this forum know more about the real world)
    
    Im 46 my assistant is 30 we talked today if the money we pay to medicare and social security will be there in 20 or 30 years. Im all for a new plan. 55 and older stay the same but give the younger folks a chance to have something later in life. Social Security should have been fixed years ago, but for over 20 years alot of talk no action both left and right. With the deficit climbing each day no budget for 3 years!!!!!!, I dont care how good the economy might look today tomorrow we are Greece.

    
    
    
    
29. Melvin Waldron

    

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    4/6/2012 11:04 AM

    Heard this morning on Morning Joe, by a columnist I believe with Bloomberg, Josh Green? He said the over all numbers of the Ryan budget aren't much different then the Presidents budget, except where the cuts are. The Ryan budget according to this guy, put back in the budget cuts to defense spending.....and took it from social programs.
    
    I'm all for a strong defense but heck if our biggest threat is China and they have to buy an old Russian cruiser to make it an aircraft carrier, how much stronger does our defense have to be?
    
    Just wanted to post that update and opinion.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO