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  1. Taylor J Benjamin
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    3/22/2013 10:03 AM
    Fellas,
    After reading through several responses concerning an earlier post on "ball manks" it triggered a pet peeve I've been dealing with for the last year or so.
    We all wish that golfer etiquette was better in regards to taking care of the normal damage that occurs during a round of golf- especially the younger generation (juniors, high schoolers, and college kids)..........you know- fixing divots, ball marks, and raking bunkers, etc. The idea that I've got is one that I feel would coincide with our industries "grow the game" logic. Its also the reason that I titled this quip- Golf Channel-PGA-GCSAA.....all three groups would need to work together.
    Why can't we work together to improve etiquette? I think one reason that you see such an issue with etiquette is that the younger generation of golfers tends to emulate what they see on television......Tiger hits a 'stinger' off the tee (you see his divot fly out in front) he twirls his club and stalks his way to the green (who replaced that divot? its never seen). Phil performs another magic trick out of a bunker (he might run his foot over the divot in the sand) he tips his hat, waves his hand and trudges up to make another tap in birdie (who raked out that bunker? its never seen). Now when it comes to ball marks the pro's are pretty good at that, but even still what do the kids see? They see that same pro golfer flick there ball to their caddie to wipe off two damned grains of sand!!

    My point is that we are televising a sport where the player does nothing but play- someone else (out of view of the camera) does everything else for them, and I believe that it does influence what younger players feel is their responsibility as a golfer. If they don't see Tiger or Rory rake a bunker, why the hell would they?

    To this point, what I'd like to see is these three aforementioned affiliations work together to show golf being played like the rest of the golf world has to play ( by the way, I'm not against caddies- and yes, I understand their role too). What if the PGA mandated that on Thursday rounds of tournaments that players had to rake their own bunkers, fill and replace their own divots, and wipe their own balls??? What if the Golf Channel (and any other network covering a Thursday round) was obligated to show 2 minutes of player etiquette, for every hours worth of coverage that day??? What could it hurt? Slower play?- BS I say! I'm not asking for prime time coverage of etiquette, but just maybe, if some teen golfer sees Tiger take a bottle of sand and fill a divot- they will too. They learn from what they see- the Tour acts like its beneath its players to do this kind of thing- guess what, most of the golfers age 30 and under think the same thing!

    Thanks for listening, that rant is off my chest now- now I can get back to wishing for it to finally warm up in Northwest Ohio!



  2. Corey Eastwood
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    3/22/2013 11:03 AM
    I agree. The latest generations have grown up with TV Golf. In most starting as a caddie is gone with the cart. There is little clue of edict any more and I don't think that is going to change. Johnny should get off of grain and on into bunker raking.

    Corey Eastwood CGCS, Stockton Golf & CC, Retired

  3. Venne Gregory
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    3/25/2013 6:03 AM
    I also agree. I can't tell you all how many times I've tried to educate a golfer on why to not fix their ball marks by "popping" them up like the pros do on TV. I do think that the TV coverage makes this problem. If they didn't show the pros doing this, they wouldn't follow this problem. Everyone emulates, including me, what they see on TV. I do wish the GCSAA would use our money in a smarter way than just making commercials to promote the superintendents. How about a commercial to actually help us?



  4. Justin VanLanduit
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    3/25/2013 11:03 AM
    I completely agree with everything stated here. I've actually banned our local high school from coming to our club to have a fall tournament due to the condition the course is in following the event. Numerous divots not replaced and ballmarks all over the greens. Our local Superintendents Association is partnering with our Illinois Junior Golf Association in trying to get the etiquette of the game back. We will be filming a series of videos this spring to be placed on a disc that will most likely be distributed to each person that signs up for the IJGA and are required to watch. I hope this helps get these kids not only know how to do correctly but why it needs to be done. In the day of shrinking budgets but higher demand for course conditions, we need any bit of help we can get.



  5. Sean Hoolehan
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    3/25/2013 11:03 AM
    What I find odd is the notion in the golf industry that filling divots and fixing ball marks helps us as Superintendents. The only reason to rake a bunker, replace a divot, or fix a ball mark is for the player behind you. I really think that's part of the problem, people do not even understand why they do it. I don't loose sleep over golfers not raking bunkers, or fixing divots, but I might get burned up if I find my ball in the middle of the fairway in a divot. I am amazed at how many club divots we find on greens these days.

    Last summer my son played in all the major junior events in Oregon and the Pacific Northwest. The Oregon Golf Association (OGA) told the kids before they teed off that they would have one warning about not fixing divots, ball marks or raking sand. The second time they would be DQ'ed on the spot. I never saw kids get so concerned about fixing divots. It made a huge impact on them. They would ask for help finding divots after shots to make sure they did not get DQed. My son being a superintendents boy learned early that he was being closely watched by everybody when it comes to golf etiquette. This rule was no problem for him.



  6. Justin VanLanduit
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    3/25/2013 11:03 AM
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said: What I find odd is the notion in the golf industry that filling divots and fixing ball marks helps us as Superintendents. The only reason to rake a bunker, replace a divot, or fix a ball mark is for the player behind you. I really think that's part of the problem, people do not even understand why they do it. I don't loose sleep over golfers not raking bunkers, or fixing divots, but I might get burned up if I find my ball in the middle of the fairway in a divot. I am amazed at how many club divots we find on greens these days.

    Last summer my son played in all the major junior events in Oregon and the Pacific Northwest. The Oregon Golf Association (OGA) told the kids before they teed off that they would have one warning about not fixing divots, ball marks or raking sand. The second time they would be DQ'ed on the spot. I never saw kids get so concerned about fixing divots. It made a huge impact on them. They would ask for help finding divots after shots to make sure they did not get DQed. My son being a superintendents boy learned early that he was being closely watched by everybody when it comes to golf etiquette. This rule was no problem for him.


    Sean,
    I agree that as far as helping us it isn't that much of an impact except maybe the image of keeping things in good shape instead of having a bunch of unfilled divots out in the fairways or ball marks on greens. Somehow I think when that stuff happens people look our direction as we aren't doing our job.
    That is great they did that for the Junior events, I'm going to make that suggestion to our state association. I played a great deal of junior golf as well and started working on a golf course when I was in sixth grade. The Superintendent, along with my parents and grandparents instilled the ettiquette in me to the point where I have been threated penalties for playing slow as I was replacing pelts that weren't mine and fixing ballmarks that weren't mine thus slowing up the group. Pace of play seems to be maybe drive this too as people try to get off the course as quick as possible forgetting their "good deed" duties while playing.



  7. McDaniel Gregory B
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    3/25/2013 4:03 PM
    I agree that it shows us in a bad light when our greens are all pock-marked, but as long as they are alive, we can blame it on the golfer, just as we can blame them for cart traffic and the other general laziness that destroys our courses. The thing is, I used to gripe and moan and write about it in the newsletter, and basically let it get to me. Bottom line is, I was doing an excellent job and if the golfers didn't want to take care of the course, and my boss didn't want to make them, then it was not my problem. Yeah, it sux when you lay sod in the same places every year and rope off areas and have them almost instantly killed as soon as you open them back up, but you have to learn to move on. It always seems to be the younger guys who get all upset about etiquette, while the older guys have learned to deal with it and not let it bother them. I think the reason many clubs hire the younger guys instead of us older guys is because they think we are "no people" who won't do what they want, but the reality is we have learned to accept and deal with all the things that the young guys have not. My advice to the young guys is to just get over it, or it will eat you alive. I'm not saying you shouldn't make the effort to educate, but just remember that you did your best and don't let it get you down.



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