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  1. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    6/1/2012 6:06 AM
    Not good........the day before the May jobs report comes out things are not looking rosy. The growth of the first 3 months was less than estimated as the government and consumers spent less and businesses took more time to restock inventory. The number of people who applied for unemployment rose to a 5 week high. On a bright note spending for Mothers Day was good.

    But the annual rate of growth was at 1.9% less than the 2.2 % predicited. Weekly unemployment apps rose 10,000 and private industry added 133,000 but much less than anticipated. Businesses are worried about the future. Another area of concern is the new job elibile, the recent college graduates and high schoolers lookign for summer work. I know locally the city council has been debating where to find money for summer youth jobs and none so far has been found.

    Those on long term unemployment benefits of 99 weeks, many of those are coming to an end very soon. They will not only stop receiving benefits but will go off the roles of the counted unemployed. That number may skew the unemployment figures in the near future. If anyone thinks this election is about anything BUT the economy they are mistaken.



  2. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    6/1/2012 6:06 AM
    I believe the unemployment figures have been revised up 58 of the last 59 weeks, but they never report it. They report the initial estimates and talk about how great it is, but when the actual numbers come in and they are worse, the media shuts right up



  3. Stephen Okula
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    3 posts
    6/2/2012 1:06 PM
    Dennis Cook said: I believe the unemployment figures have been revised up 58 of the last 59 weeks, but they never report it. They report the initial estimates and talk about how great it is, but when the actual numbers come in and they are worse, the media shuts right up


    How does the media "shut right up"? The latest jobs data has been reported by every news outlet you can name.



  4. Larry Allan
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    0 posts
    6/3/2012 4:06 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    Dennis Cook said: I believe the unemployment figures have been revised up 58 of the last 59 weeks, but they never report it. They report the initial estimates and talk about how great it is, but when the actual numbers come in and they are worse, the media shuts right up


    How does the media "shut right up"? The latest jobs data has been reported by every news outlet you can name.

    Even The Huffington Post...in big headline bold letters



  5. Steven Kurta
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    2 posts
    6/3/2012 12:06 PM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    Dennis Cook said: I believe the unemployment figures have been revised up 58 of the last 59 weeks, but they never report it. They report the initial estimates and talk about how great it is, but when the actual numbers come in and they are worse, the media shuts right up


    How does the media "shut right up"? The latest jobs data has been reported by every news outlet you can name.


    How about you stop asking stupid questions and just believe something for once in your life?
    NO THINKING -- JUST BELIEVING.



  6. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    6/5/2012 8:06 AM
    They report the rosey outlook as headline news and when the actual revised numbers come out, they are very seldom reported, except maybe by fox. Im talking about the revised numbers boys, not whats reported the first of the month before the numbers are actually substantiated.



  7. Stephen Okula
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    3 posts
    6/5/2012 2:06 PM
    Dennis Cook said: They report the rosey outlook as headline news and when the actual revised numbers come out, they are very seldom reported, except maybe by fox. Im talking about the revised numbers boys, not whats reported the first of the month before the numbers are actually substantiated.


    What are you talking about? What numbers exactly are not reported "except maybe by fox"? What are the revised numbers as opposed to the "first of the month before the numbers are actually substantiated"?

    Who "substantiates" these numbers? How does that source compare to the initially reported source?

    I know CNN and the NY Times made headlines of the most recent dismal job numbers, as did every single credible news outlet in the free world. Does this mean we should not arrive at any hasty conclusions until the numbers have been "substantiated" by some nebulous deity?

    Most of all, if the true numbers are not reported "except maybe by fox", that implies that sometimes even Fox doesn't report them. In that case, how the heck do you know? Can you share your sources? Are they of this world?



  8. Steven Kurta
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    2 posts
    6/6/2012 4:06 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    Dennis Cook said: They report the rosey outlook as headline news and when the actual revised numbers come out, they are very seldom reported, except maybe by fox. Im talking about the revised numbers boys, not whats reported the first of the month before the numbers are actually substantiated.


    What are you talking about? What numbers exactly are not reported "except maybe by fox"? What are the revised numbers as opposed to the "first of the month before the numbers are actually substantiated"?

    Who "substantiates" these numbers? How does that source compare to the initially reported source?

    I know CNN and the NY Times made headlines of the most recent dismal job numbers, as did every single credible news outlet in the free world. Does this mean we should not arrive at any hasty conclusions until the numbers have been "substantiated" by some nebulous deity?

    Most of all, if the true numbers are not reported "except maybe by fox", that implies that sometimes even Fox doesn't report them. In that case, how the heck do you know? Can you share your sources? Are they of this world?



    YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN. Just sit down and drink your kool-aid like a good zombie..



  9. Robert Crockett
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    4 posts
    6/6/2012 6:06 PM
    Steven Kurta said:
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    Dennis Cook said: They report the rosey outlook as headline news and when the actual revised numbers come out, they are very seldom reported, except maybe by fox. Im talking about the revised numbers boys, not whats reported the first of the month before the numbers are actually substantiated.


    What are you talking about? What numbers exactly are not reported "except maybe by fox"? What are the revised numbers as opposed to the "first of the month before the numbers are actually substantiated"?

    Who "substantiates" these numbers? How does that source compare to the initially reported source?

    I know CNN and the NY Times made headlines of the most recent dismal job numbers, as did every single credible news outlet in the free world. Does this mean we should not arrive at any hasty conclusions until the numbers have been "substantiated" by some nebulous deity?

    Most of all, if the true numbers are not reported "except maybe by fox", that implies that sometimes even Fox doesn't report them. In that case, how the heck do you know? Can you share your sources? Are they of this world?



    YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN. Just sit down and drink your kool-aid like a good zombie..

    Job #'S ARE BOGUS............they don't include lots and lots of people who have plain dropped out..looking for employment........how about Wisconson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah!!!!!!!!!!!! Tourettes...i know...just cut to the chase...Don't hurt me Steve...My Wife says the same thing....lol



  10. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    6/7/2012 4:06 AM
    By you guys not knowing what the hell Im talking about proves my point. You take it at face value when the administration publicly reports the monthly economic and job outlook, but a week later when the numbers are actually substantiated, they are never as good as what is originally reported and these revisions are never talked about, leaving the people, like you to believe the original estimations. So apparently you did not know that the job numbers that are reported are estimates??????????



  11. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    6/7/2012 7:06 AM
    But the market did make one hell of a bounce back yesterday............and glad for it.



  12. Stephen Okula
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    3 posts
    6/7/2012 11:06 AM
    Dennis Cook said: By you guys not knowing what the hell Im talking about proves my point. You take it at face value when the administration publicly reports the monthly economic and job outlook, but a week later when the numbers are actually substantiated, they are never as good as what is originally reported and these revisions are never talked about, leaving the people, like you to believe the original estimations. So apparently you did not know that the job numbers that are reported are estimates??????????


    The US Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics reports the unemployment numbers, not the White House.

    You didn't answer my questions. Who "substantiates" the numbers? You say it is a week later. How do you find the "substantiated" statistics? When and where are they reported and by whom, exactly? Where can we read them?

    The jobles rate of 8.2% was last reported by the USDL on June 1, so presumably the "substantiated" numbers will be coming out somewhere tomorrow, June 8, one week later, according to your assertion. Where can we see them? Alternatively, if you're the only one who knows what they really are, will you please share them with us?



  13. Stephen Okula
    Stephen Okula avatar
    3 posts
    6/7/2012 12:06 PM
    Robert Crockett said:
    Job #'S ARE BOGUS............they don't include lots and lots of people who have plain dropped out..looking for employment........how about Wisconson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah!!!!!!!!!!!! Tourettes...i know...just cut to the chase...Don't hurt me Steve...My Wife says the same thing....lol


    Are you going to be all right, Robert?

    The statistics will never be one hundred per cent accurate, of course not. Like you say, lots of people simply stopped looking, and are now homelss or whatever. And there are other people who are working, and earning money under the table who are counted as unemployed, too.

    For example, I have a brother who years ago got laid off from a machinist job at Pratt & Whitney. He started doing lawns and odd jobs for cash while he was still on unemployment. Now he works like that for cash full time. He long ago gave up looking for a regular job. How does he count? Unemployed? Dropped out? Working?



  14. Larry Allan
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    6/8/2012 5:06 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    Dennis Cook said: By you guys not knowing what the hell Im talking about proves my point. You take it at face value when the administration publicly reports the monthly economic and job outlook, but a week later when the numbers are actually substantiated, they are never as good as what is originally reported and these revisions are never talked about, leaving the people, like you to believe the original estimations. So apparently you did not know that the job numbers that are reported are estimates??????????


    The US Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics reports the unemployment numbers, not the White House.

    You didn't answer my questions. Who "substantiates" the numbers? You say it is a week later. How do you find the "substantiated" statistics? When and where are they reported and by whom, exactly? Where can we read them?

    The jobles rate of 8.2% was last reported by the USDL on June 1, so presumably the "substantiated" numbers will be coming out somewhere tomorrow, June 8, one week later, according to your assertion. Where can we see them? Alternatively, if you're the only one who knows what they really are, will you please share them with us?

    The numbers are substantiated on the Rush show approximately one week after release



  15. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    6/8/2012 5:06 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    Dennis Cook said: By you guys not knowing what the hell Im talking about proves my point. You take it at face value when the administration publicly reports the monthly economic and job outlook, but a week later when the numbers are actually substantiated, they are never as good as what is originally reported and these revisions are never talked about, leaving the people, like you to believe the original estimations. So apparently you did not know that the job numbers that are reported are estimates??????????


    The US Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics reports the unemployment numbers, not the White House.

    You didn't answer my questions. Who "substantiates" the numbers? You say it is a week later. How do you find the "substantiated" statistics? When and where are they reported and by whom, exactly? Where can we read them?

    The jobles rate of 8.2% was last reported by the USDL on June 1, so presumably the "substantiated" numbers will be coming out somewhere tomorrow, June 8, one week later, according to your assertion. Where can we see them? Alternatively, if you're the only one who knows what they really are, will you please share them with us?


    These numbers are revised at the BLS. They give you the estimated numbers for the current month and they are usually all rosie and positive. At almost the same time as the estimates are released for the current month, the revised numbers are released by the BLS for the month before the one that just ended. For example, Mays revised numbers would be released at the beginning of July, along with the estimates of Junes numbers. The media sits and waits for these highly anticipated estimates and they are always wrong and they report the crap out of them, like all our problems are ending. While at the same time the revised numbers come in that end up being worse than what they said a month prior, but they don't tell you about the change. They just continue to report the rosie outlook on the current estimates for the current month ending and conveniently forget about the revised numbers.

    Check out this graph from the BLS
    [attachment=2">BLS graph1.gif[/attachment">
    Notice that since the beginning of 2009 there is a significant reduction in the revised vs. estimated numbers.
    [attachment=1">BLS Graph2.gif[/attachment">
    Notice in this census graph that all during the Bush administration the numbers were almost identical to the revisions, but since Obama has been president the numbers have been revised negatively. No reports from the media.
    [attachment=0">BLS Graph3.gif[/attachment">
    In this graph it shows the % revisions and you can notice that since the beginning of 2009, the numbers have been revised negatively, but prior to Obama they were dead on.

    This means that the monthly estimates that the leftist media drools to get their hands on every month is crap, but they report it as everything is getting so much better. Then its revised and all the gains they estimated seem to disappear or lessen.

    You have to be a little savvy to follow this because they do not report the revisions, they just quietly get added to the data and the media keeps reporting the current months estimates.



  16. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    6/8/2012 7:06 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:

    For example, I have a brother who years ago got laid off from a machinist job at Pratt & Whitney. He started doing lawns and odd jobs for cash while he was still on unemployment. Now he works like that for cash full time. He long ago gave up looking for a regular job. How does he count? Unemployed? Dropped out? Working?


    How does he count? Does he report his income? If he does, then he counts as working. Sounds like he probably doesn't report his income.

    If he doesn't report his income, then to my thinking, he counts as a sleaze-bag, non-income tax-paying jerk, getting paid under the table. Is there a category for his type?

    I hope he is at least man enough NOT to vote.



  17. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    6/8/2012 9:06 AM
    Steve,
    The new entrepreneur doing lawn care is not counted. If no longer on unemployment, not looking for work he is a non person as for as labor statistics. As I mentioned in a previous post, many on long term extended benefits will lose them some this month, most in July and the remainder by Labor Day. These folks will no longer be counted........in theory the unemployment figures will improve.............not......even more people out of work. You are a very smart man.........you can make numbers do anything you want them to.......it's just whether or not you get caught cooking the books.



  18. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    6/8/2012 10:06 PM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    Robert Crockett said:
    Job #'S ARE BOGUS............they don't include lots and lots of people who have plain dropped out..looking for employment........how about Wisconson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah!!!!!!!!!!!! Tourettes...i know...just cut to the chase...Don't hurt me Steve...My Wife says the same thing....lol


    Are you going to be all right, Robert?



    That may very well be an unanswerable question. While some may wonder about his incoherent posts, perhaps they're a sign of "unusual intelligence". He might be able to count cards in Nevada, toothpicks in Kentucky, and might even be an excellent driver. Maybe we all need to try to understand Bob. Okay, I'll go first.

    Robert, do you understand you're Bob? K-Mart? What about K-Mart? Boxer shorts? From Cincinnati? What?

    I give up. Someone else ask him some questions. Start with pancakes......



  19. Stephen Okula
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    3 posts
    6/9/2012 4:06 AM
    Dennis, good answer. You researched the issue to back your claim. I admire that.

    This is from the BLS expansive website: http://www.scribd.com/doc/24093880/Bure ... e-Dec-2009

    "Why does the establishment survey have revisions?
    The establishment survey revises published estimates to improve its data series by incorporating additional information that was not available at the time of the initial publication of the estimates. The establishment survey revises its initial monthly estimates twice, in the immediately succeeding 2 months, to incorporate additional sample receipts from respondents in the survey and recalculated seasonal adjustment factors."

    In any case, the revised figures ARE the ones reported by the press. : http://www.bls.gov/cps/seasfaq.htm

    "As a general rule, the monthly employment and unemployment numbers reported in the news are seasonally adjusted data. Seasonally adjusted data are useful when comparing several months of data. Annual average estimates are calculated from the not seasonally adjusted data series."

    In the first graph you posted, the greatest discrepancy was in 2009, where the green "prior" line was well above the revised figures. This is because at the end of 2009 the BLS revised the procedure to include long-term unemployed not previously counted. This reflected an economic reality previously ignored under the Bush administration, and was not a sinister plot to cook the books.

    The othe r revisions you cite are on the scale of a fraction of a per cent, and insignificant in the context of the overall economic outlook. From the charts you provide, the inescapable conclusion is that the economy went into free-fall in 2008, the last year of the Bush administrations, revisions or no, and only started to recover a little in 2010, after Obama had been in office for a year. I'm not saying that US Presidents have the final word on economic trends, I'm saying that the unemployment is a critical indicator of the current situation, and if the rate of unemployment doubles in a two year span whether it's 100% more or 100.5% more is insignificant.

    Reading thus thread, first you said that the media doesn't report the bad news regarding unemployment. When it was pointed out that it did, you back-pedaled and said but it wasn't the real, monthly, revised figures, (and you had the press "drooling" over a "rosy" picture – hyperbole when the facts aren't sensational enough, nice). In fact nobody in the press ever said the latest unemployment numbers were good. They were greater than expected and a huge disappointment to everyone, except, perhaps, for a few right-wing ideologues who rub their hands together and cackle with delight in any misfortune that befalls the country under the watch of the Obama administration. (Note my use of fanciful exaggeration to embellish the point. Two can play at that game.)

    Now it appears that the figures are adjusted seasonally, not monthly, if I'm wrong please show me where the monthly revisions are published.

    Look, if you are determined to believe in a diabolical conspiracy of a manipulative White House, a malleable, partisan Department of Labor, and a corrupt press corps to under-report unemployment statistics by one half of one percent, then I won't change your mind.



  20. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    6/9/2012 8:06 AM
    Stephen, even if they add in the long term unemployment, they are still estimating it low and then revising the number up. There own graphs show it and you cannot deny it. The media does go nuts on the estimates, especially the weekly ones from the Dept of Labor and then the following week when they are revised they never report the revision. The May 26 th estimate was 383,000 new unemployment claims and the media was talking about how we are maybe turning the corner. They didnt report that that number actually was revised up to 389,000, an additional 6,000 claims. Do that every week and it can add up



  21. James Schmid
    James Schmid avatar
    1 posts
    6/10/2012 7:06 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: Dennis, good answer. You researched the issue to back your claim. I admire that.

    This is from the BLS expansive website: http://www.scribd.com/doc/24093880/Bure ... e-Dec-2009

    "Why does the establishment survey have revisions?
    The establishment survey revises published estimates to improve its data series by incorporating additional information that was not available at the time of the initial publication of the estimates. The establishment survey revises its initial monthly estimates twice, in the immediately succeeding 2 months, to incorporate additional sample receipts from respondents in the survey and recalculated seasonal adjustment factors."

    In any case, the revised figures ARE the ones reported by the press. : http://www.bls.gov/cps/seasfaq.htm

    "As a general rule, the monthly employment and unemployment numbers reported in the news are seasonally adjusted data. Seasonally adjusted data are useful when comparing several months of data. Annual average estimates are calculated from the not seasonally adjusted data series."

    In the first graph you posted, the greatest discrepancy was in 2009, where the green "prior" line was well above the revised figures. This is because at the end of 2009 the BLS revised the procedure to include long-term unemployed not previously counted. This reflected an economic reality previously ignored under the Bush administration, and was not a sinister plot to cook the books.

    The othe r revisions you cite are on the scale of a fraction of a per cent, and insignificant in the context of the overall economic outlook. From the charts you provide, the inescapable conclusion is that the economy went into free-fall in 2008, the last year of the Bush administrations, revisions or no, and only started to recover a little in 2010, after Obama had been in office for a year. I'm not saying that US Presidents have the final word on economic trends, I'm saying that the unemployment is a critical indicator of the current situation, and if the rate of unemployment doubles in a two year span whether it's 100% more or 100.5% more is insignificant.

    Reading thus thread, first you said that the media doesn't report the bad news regarding unemployment. When it was pointed out that it did, you back-pedaled and said but it wasn't the real, monthly, revised figures, (and you had the press "drooling" over a "rosy" He actually said rosey and then rosie picture – hyperbole when the facts aren't sensational enough, nice). In fact nobody in the press ever said the latest unemployment numbers were good. They were greater than expected and a huge disappointment to everyone, except, perhaps, for a few right-wing ideologues who rub their hands together and cackle with delight in any misfortune that befalls the country under the watch of the Obama administration. (Note my use of fanciful exaggeration to embellish the point. Two can play at that game.)

    Now it appears that the figures are adjusted seasonally, not monthly, if I'm wrong please show me where the monthly revisions are published.

    Look, if you are determined to believe in a diabolical conspiracy of a manipulative White House, a malleable, partisan Department of Labor, and a corrupt press corps to under-report unemployment statistics by one half of one percent, then I won't change your mind.



  22. Robert Crockett
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    4 posts
    6/10/2012 10:06 AM
    da·tanoun /ˈdatə/  /ˈdātə/ 


    1.Facts and statistics collected together for reference or analysis


    2.The quantities, characters, or symbols on which operations are performed by a computer, being stored and transmitted in the form of electrical signals and recorded on magnetic, optical, or mechanical recording media


    3.[u">[size=150">Things known or assumed as facts, making the basis of reasonning or calculation[/size">[/u">


    Based on input...Where it's actually gathered, by Whom and or what agency is questionable, As far as unemployment.....If you have quit looking for employment, your off the Data input radar.....If less people are paying taxes and food stamps and welfare has gone up, those are variables that are not input to the data to be shown by a ceratin administration for reasons to enhance #'s, into their favor.



  23. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    6/10/2012 6:06 PM
    To all the Steve's, Keith, Mr Jeffrey................sorry I started this thread :)



  24. Robert Crockett
    Robert Crockett avatar
    4 posts
    6/10/2012 9:06 PM
    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said:
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    Robert Crockett said:
    Job #'S ARE BOGUS............they don't include lots and lots of people who have plain dropped out..looking for employment........how about Wisconson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah!!!!!!!!!!!! Tourettes...i know...just cut to the chase...Don't hurt me Steve...My Wife says the same thing....lol


    Are you going to be all right, Robert?



    That may very well be an unanswerable question. While some may wonder about his incoherent posts, perhaps they're a sign of "unusual intelligence". He might be able to count cards in Nevada, toothpicks in Kentucky, and might even be an excellent driver. Maybe we all need to try to understand Bob. Okay, I'll go first.

    Robert, do you understand you're Bob? K-Mart? What about K-Mart? Boxer shorts? From Cincinnati? What?

    I give up. Someone else ask him some questions. Start with pancakes......

    Well you do know me Mrs. Wallace....Not much on pancakes....there fattening.....I like BVD's and I prefer W-Mart.....I think there's a photo of my butt crack on isle 4 on the latest "People of W-Mart....Right before the pic of you in the womans Dept....trying on various under things :oops:



  25. Dennis Cook
    Dennis Cook avatar
    1 posts
    6/11/2012 11:06 AM
    James Schmid said:
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: Dennis, good answer. You researched the issue to back your claim. I admire that.

    This is from the BLS expansive website: http://www.scribd.com/doc/24093880/Bure ... e-Dec-2009

    "Why does the establishment survey have revisions?
    The establishment survey revises published estimates to improve its data series by incorporating additional information that was not available at the time of the initial publication of the estimates. The establishment survey revises its initial monthly estimates twice, in the immediately succeeding 2 months, to incorporate additional sample receipts from respondents in the survey and recalculated seasonal adjustment factors."

    In any case, the revised figures ARE the ones reported by the press. : http://www.bls.gov/cps/seasfaq.htm

    "As a general rule, the monthly employment and unemployment numbers reported in the news are seasonally adjusted data. Seasonally adjusted data are useful when comparing several months of data. Annual average estimates are calculated from the not seasonally adjusted data series."

    In the first graph you posted, the greatest discrepancy was in 2009, where the green "prior" line was well above the revised figures. This is because at the end of 2009 the BLS revised the procedure to include long-term unemployed not previously counted. This reflected an economic reality previously ignored under the Bush administration, and was not a sinister plot to cook the books.

    The othe r revisions you cite are on the scale of a fraction of a per cent, and insignificant in the context of the overall economic outlook. From the charts you provide, the inescapable conclusion is that the economy went into free-fall in 2008, the last year of the Bush administrations, revisions or no, and only started to recover a little in 2010, after Obama had been in office for a year. I'm not saying that US Presidents have the final word on economic trends, I'm saying that the unemployment is a critical indicator of the current situation, and if the rate of unemployment doubles in a two year span whether it's 100% more or 100.5% more is insignificant.

    Reading thus thread, first you said that the media doesn't report the bad news regarding unemployment. When it was pointed out that it did, you back-pedaled and said but it wasn't the real, monthly, revised figures, (and you had the press "drooling" over a "rosy" He actually said rosey and then rosie picture – hyperbole when the facts aren't sensational enough, nice). In fact nobody in the press ever said the latest unemployment numbers were good. They were greater than expected and a huge disappointment to everyone, except, perhaps, for a few right-wing ideologues who rub their hands together and cackle with delight in any misfortune that befalls the country under the watch of the Obama administration. (Note my use of fanciful exaggeration to embellish the point. Two can play at that game.)

    Now it appears that the figures are adjusted seasonally, not monthly, if I'm wrong please show me where the monthly revisions are published.

    Look, if you are determined to believe in a diabolical conspiracy of a manipulative White House, a malleable, partisan Department of Labor, and a corrupt press corps to under-report unemployment statistics by one half of one percent, then I won't change your mind.


    WOW James, if that is all you can do is pick on someone about two words spelled different, you must have a small................



  26. Keith Lamb
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    3 posts
    6/11/2012 12:06 PM
    David McCallum said: To all the Steve's, Keith, Mr Jeffrey................sorry I started this thread :)


    You can pay me back in Orlando next time.



  27. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    6/11/2012 2:06 PM
    Keith Lamb said:
    David McCallum said: To all the Steve's, Keith, Mr Jeffrey................sorry I started this thread :)


    You can pay me back in Orlando next time.


    Maybe David can pay you back and take you to dinner with the president when he wins the raffle after donating $3.00?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  28. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    6/12/2012 11:06 AM
    For $ 3 I should at least get a doggy bag to go..............I'll freeze it Keith.



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