Forum Groups

 

Forums / Being a superintendent / LOOKING BACK TO WHEN WE BECAME SUPERINTENDENTS

LOOKING BACK TO WHEN WE BECAME SUPERINTENDENTS

13 posts
  1. James Smith
    James Smith avatar
    113 posts
    11/23/2013 6:11 AM
    I thought it would be nice for some of us to reflect back on when we first made the jump to being Superintendent and what had impacted us the most after that move. like looking back and giving you most prized piece of advice from your learning curve.

    I still remember the day I was giving my position 19 years ago. I was fairly young and cocky and although I knew I did not know everything about my position I had felt that I knew as much as the Superintendent that I worked for could give me. I just knew it was time to move on and make the jump. Thanks to the fact that I had just passed a second interview at one club for its Superintendents position and was chosen for the position, when I received a call from another club where my name was given to the Board without my knowledge. The person calling me just wanted to talk to me and to be honest I did not know the position was even open. After the conversation or interview with the individual I was asked if I could come by the club the next evening and meet a few other people. Since this course was 1 mile from where I lived and grew up I jumped on the opportunity. Next thing I know I am interviewing in front of the entire Board for a position in which they did not even have my resume (was never ask for one). I was really cocky in that interview because in my eyes I was already a Superintendent and it would not matter one way or the other if this club wanted my services or not. Being Cocky or self assured turned out to be the right way to act because after talking to me I left and before I could drive that mile they were already on the phone talking to my wife and offered me the position. 19 years later I am still managing to produce the conditions they desired. But those 19 years gave me lots of knowledge that being an Assistant never did.

    The one piece of advice I would want to pass on is when someone at your club has an issue or tells you about something on the course that they seem to think needs attention or done, take it to heart, write yourself a note as not to forget and get on it right away, no matter how small or minor it may seem. In the beginning I would file it in the back of my head and try to get around to it. but time has taught me that if you forget to attend to it, it only looks like you did not care enough to get it checked out and in the long run makes you look either lazy or forgetful. Now I use my Iphone to write myself a reminder and get on it that day. I also make it a point to return to that member later and give them an update as to what I found. At one point I found myself making up excuses as to why the issue may be and even though they were the true reason we may not be able to handle the issue at hand I found that it sounded just like an excuse or like I was putting off the members concerns. Once I caught what I was doing I changed my tactics and now I simply write my self the reminder (usually in front of the member) and get to it. If I already know about the issue and it is one that I have no control over I still make the note and simply return to the member the next day with my knowledge, at least this way I look like I am making an effort to look into the issue at hand instead of simply dismissing it altogether in front of the member. If you truely want to please your members, you first have to start by communicating with them and making them feel that their concerns are legit and that you are using their comments, request or suggestions to better the course.

    Sorry to be so long by I find reflecting back brings many great memories. whats bad is it took me over 10 years to learn the above lesson. How I ever made it 19 years is a mystery to me.

    What have you learned in your time as being a Superintendent?



  2. Dru Clark
    Dru Clark avatar
    0 posts
    11/23/2013 8:11 AM
    I have only been a super for less than two years at this point but I have learned a lot and know there is still a lot to learn. I felt I knew pretty much everything I needed to know in order to provide the best possible playing conditions for my membership. It didn't take long to realize that no matter how good of a grass grower you may be one must also know how to communicate in a respectful and timely manner to everyone at the club from crew members to the club president. I now know one must put everything in writing for future reference so when the board rotates members your not fighting the same battle and defending yourself for something that was either turned down or taken away from previous board members. One must communicate things in a simple manner for their understanding. Remember, we are the professionals and they are the amateurs when it comes to running a golf course.



  3. David Brandenburg
    David Brandenburg avatar
    3 posts
    11/23/2013 2:11 PM
    Both of you provided valuable points. What I have learned in 25 years of being a superintendent and manager of people is I should fire dead weight employees right away rather than listening to and believing their excuses and lies. They may act like good people but in reality they just used me.

    It would make my life easier and the rest of the staff happier.



  4. James Smith
    James Smith avatar
    113 posts
    11/24/2013 6:11 AM
    David Brandenburg, CGCS said: Both of you provided valuable points. What I have learned in 25 years of being a superintendent and manager of people is I should fire dead weight employees right away rather than listening to and believing their excuses and lies. They may act like good people but in reality they just used me.

    It would make my life easier and the rest of the staff happier.

    David I know exactly where you are coming from. I fight this battle every year and kick myself in the arse after finally releasing some guy. I then get into thinking that I will not let these guys get away with anything else anymore because of the experience. Later I then see the light and tell myself that I am not going to change who I am because of a worthless employee. I have stuck through a few bads ones to see the light finally come on and then they go and change their whole life around and become great people and productive individuals. These are the employees that I prefer thinking on when I get a bad apple, but I have learned to see the signs of one that cannot be changed a lot quicker and tend to try to get the pulse of my crew on how they feel about the bad apples.



  5. Peter Bowman
    Peter Bowman avatar
    11 posts
    11/24/2013 8:11 PM
    I became a Superintendent when the job opened up up after the Superintendent at the time decided to save a little labor and spray Roundup+Surflan around his trees by himself from the seat of his Cushman.......... while he was moving. Right hand on the steering wheel, left hand on the spray gun.

    Needless to say, his tree rings weren't very circular. Long dead lines where the hose was dripping between trees while he was still moving. It was kind of funny, to me.

    Moral of the story? Don't let saving labor be the reason you lose your job.



  6. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    11/25/2013 10:11 AM
    I learned that there are a lot of things you can do if you can be a superintendent. Leading people and managing resources is at the heart of business. If you are good with maintenance, you can get a job.

    "Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance."

    ― Kurt Vonnegut



  7. Gary Carls
    Gary Carls avatar
    20 posts
    11/25/2013 12:11 PM
    At the start of my career I did golf course construction and just sort of evolved into the Grow-In Superintendent position in a matter of just a year or two because I had an education and desire to learn. When I got out of construction in 1984 I back tracked a bit as I went to do golf course irrigation for 5 1/2 years before becoming an assistant at another course. When the superintendent left for a new job they decided to give me a chance to see what I could do. That was almost 22 years ago now. While at the time it wasn't easy to take a step back I'm glad I did because I learned a lot from the superintendents I worked for in those years that really better prepared me for the long-term career I have enjoyed. By the way, many of you Rutgers folks probably know the 1st guy I worked for, ASGCA member Stephen Kay. The photo is a blast from the past circa 1978. I'm on the far left and Steve Kay is in the white t-shirt in the middle.

    Gary K. Carls, CGCS, President - Oakland Turfgrass Education Initiative

  8. Keith Pegg
    Keith Pegg avatar
    0 posts
    11/25/2013 2:11 PM
    I have worked on Golf courses from the age of 12 and at age 64, 38 years as a Superintendent, when I step outside and I see my office. No more words are needed.

    Keith Pegg

    Nine Peaks Golf
    SunRiver Golf
    Fircrest Golf
    Jinsirtan Golf
    Ria Bintan Golf
    Grand Shanghai Golf
    Plantations Golf
    Luhu Golf
    Sand Pine Golf
    Zama Golf

    Future ?



  9. Steven Huffstutler
    Steven Huffstutler avatar
    11 posts
    11/25/2013 6:11 PM
    Larry didn't actually kill anyone to get his job, but they never found the body.



  10. Thomas Brown
    Thomas Brown avatar
    0 posts
    11/27/2013 6:11 AM
    It was November 1977, I had been an assistant superintendent for 4 years when a superintendent position opened up near my home. The current superintendent had previously been the mechanic but had assumed the duties when the former super left for greener pastures. I accepted the position not knowing that "Ron" hadn't been told that he'd been relieved of his duties. Never assume anything like that! Anyway, I was told that I could keep him on if I wanted. He agreed to stay if he didn't have to take a cut in pay. We both made the same salary that next year - $14,000.

    This was to be a stepping stone job to me until something better came along - it was a blue collar private club at the time. Since then the golf course has been sold twice to become an upscale semi-private only to become the economy driven semi-private is today.

    Sometimes your goals need to be modified with life's circumstances. When other opportunities were offered I weighed all my options and couldn't get past the fact that I liked the golf course, my crew, and my home was five minutes away (and still is).

    Ron still works for me as my assistant/head mechanic at age 69 (he's worked here from the time it was built in 1968). He has remained with me all these years and that has made all the difference.

    Tom



  11. Mark Van Lienden
    Mark Van Lienden avatar
    14 posts
    12/8/2013 8:12 AM
    I was 18 years old just came off a new construction grow in at el conquistador in Florida and could speak English so I took a position at fairway glen in California. The first year we had the Porter Wagnor band with Dolly Parton stop to play. I refused to pay the $20 to join the gcsaa.



  12. Peter Bowman
    Peter Bowman avatar
    11 posts
    12/8/2013 8:12 AM
    I find it hard to believe Dolly could even swing a club.



  13. McDaniel Jay
    McDaniel Jay avatar
    1/30/2014 12:01 PM
    Way back when I became a superintendent I had been the assistant for five years and just finished a bachelor's of business administration degree. I had been planning on leaving the profession that I loved to help better support my family. Later that spring I was on medical leave while I donated a kidney to my wife when my boss's boss called... he interviewed me on the spot and asked when I was planning to return to work. That seems so long ago but in reality it was last year.



View or change your forums profile here.