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Giving advice to an assistant

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  1. Benjamin Rink
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    2/3/2013 4:02 PM
    So my Assistant of "not quite a year" has decided to take the plunge and get an "official education" and commit to the industry. This kid is one of the hardest working guys I know and has an amazing grasp of maintaining turf from simply working his way up on a crew. He is smart enough to recognize that he needs SOMETHING as far as a degree goes, but isn't 100% sure how deep to go. What is your thought on a degree for a guy coming into the industry? Certificate? Associates degree? Bachelors degree? Keep in mind he has nothing thus far, just practical knowledge and a huge work ethic.

    Thanks in advance!

    Ben Rink



  2. McDaniel Gregory B
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    2/3/2013 9:02 PM
    My first thought is a different career that actually has a chance of a future, but definitely a 4 year degree program in turf, or a 4 year degree in something else paired with a 2 year or certificate program in turf.



  3. Joe Wachter
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    2/4/2013 9:02 AM
    The reality of a guy getting a four year degree and work full-time does not seem doable to me. I would think a two year certificate might possibly be the way to go. I believe in the education process and what it can do for someone and the expectation of potential employers. I took 11 classes over 5 years when I first entered the business. I was 32 years old, had a business degree already, 10 years of management experience in a different industry, and had a wife who earned good money helping me pay for the education as I worked my way up at the beginning of my career in the golf industry. It took all the energy I had to complete those 5 years and only completed 11 classes. I could not imagine trying to take 40 or 50 classes combined with working.



  4. Paul Hallock
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    2/4/2013 9:02 AM
    Benjamin Rink said: So my Assistant of "not quite a year" has decided to take the plunge and get an "official education" and commit to the industry. This kid is one of the hardest working guys I know and has an amazing grasp of maintaining turf from simply working his way up on a crew. He is smart enough to recognize that he needs SOMETHING as far as a degree goes, but isn't 100% sure how deep to go. What is your thought on a degree for a guy coming into the industry? Certificate? Associates degree? Bachelors degree? Keep in mind he has nothing thus far, just practical knowledge and a huge work ethic.

    Thanks in advance!

    Ben Rink


    With the way the job market is, I think anything less than a Bachelor's Degree is not smart. Lots of jobs now have a requirement of a 4 year degree and I only see that trend continuing. Plus the fact that a 4 year degree can help separate him instantly from lots of other applicants........Just my thoughts!!



  5. Werner Thomas S
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    2/4/2013 10:02 AM
    If he is in it for the long haul and it sounds like he is, the four year (hardest route) is the surest way to the top. No doubt, there are great 2-year and certificate programs located all around the country and perhaps that could be a start. Many people are ready for the four year schools, but if he has been out of school for a while, it may be wise to take a few classes at a Junior College first and then ease into it from there. If the desire to transfer to a four year college is there, then also consider taking those classes that will transfer. For the most part subjects such as English, History, and Math will, but hard science classes may not. Cost can be a big hurdle too and without financial aid a four year degree can become quite expensive. I can't rate the best programs out there, but just about every state has one or more.



  6. Jack Stephens
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    2/4/2013 4:02 PM
    Lake City is still a good option, though they have changed the name to Florida Gateway College. It's a three year program with the first year focused on turf equipment. It's pretty a pretty cheap place to live. Jacksonville is about an hour away and could be a source for a weekend golf course job while in school. Some of the guys I graduated with in 2010 are assistants at courses like TPC Sawgrass, Sea Island, Grand Cypress, Farm Links, Port Royal, The Landings, Old Memorial.

    http://www.fgcgolfprograms.com/

    Brad Stephens
    Assistant Superintendent
    King and Bear- World Golf Village Resort



  7. Rosenthal Gregg
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    2/4/2013 5:02 PM
    Ben,

    Where are you at? U of Maryland has excellent 2 yr or 4 year turf management program for golf course management!
    Fear the Turtle! Many good people and research done at Maryland Dr Pete Dernodan just retired but left behind some great Teachers and others doing top research in the turf management field!

    GreggR



  8. Daniel Mausolf
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    2/5/2013 11:02 AM
    I've done the certificate from the WorldCampus at Penn State and I'm finishing an Assoc Degree in Business. IMO having a background in turf and business is the way to go. Learning online at PSU was great for me to apply hands on experience while I was working. Just my thoughts.
    Dan



  9. Matthew Neff
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    2/9/2013 6:02 AM
    Benjamin Rink said: So my Assistant of "not quite a year" has decided to take the plunge and get an "official education" and commit to the industry. This kid is one of the hardest working guys I know and has an amazing grasp of maintaining turf from simply working his way up on a crew. He is smart enough to recognize that he needs SOMETHING as far as a degree goes, but isn't 100% sure how deep to go. What is your thought on a degree for a guy coming into the industry? Certificate? Associates degree? Bachelors degree? Keep in mind he has nothing thus far, just practical knowledge and a huge work ethic.

    Thanks in advance!

    Ben Rink


    I think the Rutgers certificate program would be worth a look for someone like him - doesn't sound like a formal 2 or 4 year degree program would be practical at this pont. I know two people who got into the business in the same way as your assistant and both ended up going through the Rutger's program. Both have been pretty successful in the business thus far.



  10. Sandy Clark
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    2/13/2013 9:02 AM
    If you have a good community college with a turf or OH major available, that may be the way to start. All of his general ed classes can be transferred and it will save tons of money. If he excels, he is half way to his degree. If he is allowed to pick many of his electives, he could favor the business related classes. Science and business will be helpful in the long run. A good councilor can help him tailor his program while still meeting the necessary requirements. Hopefully, the 4 year program will also accept the majority of the classes in his major. The on-line programs are also an option if he doesn't have access to the right classes through the community college. Just encourage him to be persistent and complete what he starts. Wish him the best of luck from all of us.



  11. Kenneth Ingram
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    2/15/2013 8:02 AM
    The $64K question, literally. The door to our business today will not open without some piece of paper. The Bachelor of Science requirement that many of us predicted has never come to pass. Several jobs in our area listed a B.S. but hired candidates lesser degrees. If all he ever wants to do the rest of his life is work on a golf course then there are a bunch of excellent certificate and Associate Degree programs across the country. They do an amazing job of training our assistants. However, the credits from many of these programs are not transferable, even to the same institution. Especially the shorten, 10 week semester programs. You never know what life is going to throw at you, look at the changes in our industry the past few years. Maybe you'll want to (or be forced to) do something besides working on a golf course. For the price of education today, you would like all the college credits you pay for to transfer. My advice would be to start at community college, all the math, english, etc. will transfer. Like Sandy said, an advisor is critical. Not sure where you are from but if there is a two-year turf program go for it. Certificate or A.S., just make sure it is an academic certificate where classes will transfer. Good luck. This argument has raged for 30 years, it was actually a question on my graduate final 20 years ago. Kenneth Ingram, UMD.



  12. Justin VanLanduit
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    2/15/2013 1:02 PM
    Benjamin Rink said: So my Assistant of "not quite a year" has decided to take the plunge and get an "official education" and commit to the industry. This kid is one of the hardest working guys I know and has an amazing grasp of maintaining turf from simply working his way up on a crew. He is smart enough to recognize that he needs SOMETHING as far as a degree goes, but isn't 100% sure how deep to go. What is your thought on a degree for a guy coming into the industry? Certificate? Associates degree? Bachelors degree? Keep in mind he has nothing thus far, just practical knowledge and a huge work ethic.

    Thanks in advance!

    Ben Rink


    Ben,
    Hope this message finds you doing well there in Chambana! How bout those Illini starting to make a push!? Anyway, is he a local kid there in Champaign? If so why doesn't he look into Parkland, I know they have/had a good agriculture program there in the past, I took 2 years there before transferring. Had good soil science classes but mostly got my gen ed's out of the way. Then if he is still interested in pursuing you've got the U of I, that's if the program stays viable. I know talking with Dr Branham at the GIS they were very low in numbers. I think going the Parkland route would give him necessary education that he's going to need where ever he goes and gives him the ability to keep working there if he and you wanted.

    Best Regards,
    Justin



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