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USGA Campaign for Re-Grassing

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  1. Greg Cormier
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    7/26/2013 2:07 PM
    I am in the Northeast and all I ever hear about from the USGA is how everyone should consider re-grassing poa greens to bentgrass. Although there is no question that bentgrass is tougher than poa, bentgrass isn't bullet proof by any means. Bacterial wilt has been terrible this year, take all patch, cold weather injury in spring, and even ABW munching at times. What are your thoughts? If you need to rebuild I would obviously re-grass but if you are just going to re-grass it doesn't seem like a sure bet when you can still have major problems with bentgrass. What if you have to tell your membership "we re-grassed and still have issues".



  2. Clay Putnam
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    7/26/2013 2:07 PM
    I have managed both and I would take bent over poa in a second. Poa is substantially more susceptible to pests, cultural issues, and is more expensive to maintain. It's a no brainer for me.

    Case in point, today. We are hand watering the Poa. Not the bent.



  3. Timothy Walker
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    7/26/2013 5:07 PM
    I'm with Greg here - if you don't address the underlying issues then why regrass? I prefer poa over bent on any base...just a general opinion.



  4. Tom Forsythe
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    7/26/2013 7:07 PM
    From 2003 to 2006 I sort of regrassed by necessity. We had greens that were not surviving the winter and with such a short growing season here we decided to resod rather than trying to bring them back through seeding. I eventually replaced pretty much all of the poa greens with bent and have pretty good results since with the greens overwintering.



  5. Wilson Paul J
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    7/27/2013 7:07 AM
    I am at a facility that has 2 courses 10 miles a part. One is a old course with lots of poa. The course I am at is all bent. Just the baby sitting alone of the poa course makes me like the bent. My hand water crew might be here 2-3 hours on a Sat. or Sun while the Crew at the other course spend all day hand watering. Just the labor savings and piece of mind won me over. And this is coming from a guy who has over 20 years managing Poa.
    Willy



  6. Keith Pegg
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    7/27/2013 7:07 PM
    Greg Cormier said: I am in the Northeast and all I ever hear about from the USGA is how everyone should consider re-grassing poa greens to bentgrass. Although there is no question that bentgrass is tougher than poa, bentgrass isn't bullet proof by any means. Bacterial wilt has been terrible this year, take all patch, cold weather injury in spring, and even ABW munching at times. What are your thoughts? If you need to rebuild I would obviously re-grass but if you are just going to re-grass it doesn't seem like a sure bet when you can still have major problems with bentgrass. What if you have to tell your membership "we re-grassed and still have issues".

    Not sure on your climate but I am told it is not unlike mine in Japan, I grew Poa in the Tacoma/ Seattle area for 20 years and it was a great grass. Here not so much and I am working hard to keep it out of my bent grass. 7 years ago we were 30 to 50% poa on most greens and now we are 98% bent because of Xonerate and the greens look great putt fast and hold up all summer. We still have problems but far fewer that before.

    Keith
    Zama, Japan



  7. Thomas Brown
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    7/28/2013 6:07 AM
    I'm curious to know if having "push up" greens vs. USGA type would be a factor in the decision in trying to maintain predominately bent grass greens. On my poorly drained push ups, I think it would be a losing battle. I've had a roughly 50/50 mix for 36 years.

    Tom



  8. Andy Jorgensen
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    7/28/2013 7:07 AM
    Thomas Brown, CGCS said: I'm curious to know if having "push up" greens vs. USGA type would be a factor in the decision in trying to maintain predominately bent grass greens. On my poorly drained push ups, I think it would be a losing battle. I've had a roughly 50/50 mix for 36 years.

    Tom


    First course I was an assistant at in Atlanta had front nine straight sand mix, back nine good ole push-up with crappy Georgia topsoil. All was bent. In the summer, the front nine would need 3-4 guys keeping it cool while the back nine had one person. Downside is during rainy weather the push-ups would crap out with Anthracnose while the sand would be fine. Poa loved to infest the back nine but couldn't make it through the summer in that water logged soil. Very little on the front nine greens.



  9. Steven Huffstutler
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    7/28/2013 7:07 AM
    I love Bermuda



  10. Michael Posey
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    8/4/2013 9:08 PM
    A lot people grow bentgrass greens in Alabama. No one has poa greens. It may pop up in the winter and is our major winter weed, but first hot spell it's out. I would take bent over poa anywhere.



  11. Justin VanLanduit
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    8/5/2013 7:08 AM
    We regressed our predominantly Poa, pushup greens in the fall of 2011. Reasons for the regressing was in 2010 we experienced significant ice damage, 1 green was about 2/3 gone. Then summer of 2010 hit, wet and hot and we had 2 greens where Poa checked out. We did a 2 phase process to address a few issues with our greens; phase 1 was installation of XGD in 16 pushup greens, phase 2 was regressing to A1/A4. I can honestly say that last year if we had our old poorly drained/poa greens we'd have had some ugly stuff.
    Bent isn't bulletproof but I'd go to war with Mother Nature with bent over poa any day. For us in Chicago bent is much better to meet expectation of the golfers in the major golfing months than poa can and that is our main concern. Spring and Fall I wouldn't mind Poa at all, less pressure and weather is more cooperative but that stretch from mid June through early September we just don't know what we will get. Like I said, last year things would have been ugly, this year not so much as we've only had 6 days or so 90+.
    We're now in our second year with the newly grassed greens and myself and the membership couldn't be happier. The one week where it was warm we had our ladies and mens member/guest and we didn't have to alter any practices to protect the turf. If we'd had poa, things would of had to change and it would have affected the playability of the golf course for those special events. Greens consistently at 11 give or take a few and my stress level and ability to spend more time with family and friends have become better. We know our hot spots and if we stay on top of them the greens will fend for themselves.



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