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Are we that stupid?

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  1. Melvin Waldron
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    2/14/2012 8:02 PM
    Of course I heard this on the Maddow show, but the republicans are criticizing the birth control pill issue talking about government controlling religion and/or health care, which we can debate, I can see both sides, women's health issues, church run "businesses" that shouldn't have to provide, yet if they don't they gain an advantage over "businesses" that aren't church run. But like I say we can debate it, yet the republicans are criticizing the first decision and even the compromise. Then I hear on the Maddow show that Virginia has approved in both republican houses and the governor has said he will sign it that the state has the right to do a vaginal ultrasound before a procedure is done, (I think but since I came into the middle of the spot, I believe it is going to require the ultrasound if an abortion is going to be done, hopefully someone who knows the issue better will correct me). Now we can debate the abortion issue, (well maybe most of us on here shouldn't since we are men) but it just smacks of hypocrisy that it is not ok for government to get involved in one, but it's ok for the government to get involved in the other.

    But my other question is I thought this election was about jobs and the economy, why are the social issues taking the front and center? I have my theory and it's because the majority of the country doesn't want to go back to the Bush era which is what most of the republican candidates seem to want to do, so they will try to win it on social issues.

    Why aren't we speaking up and asking our politicians these questions? They only seem to be listening to those on either end of the spectrum instead of the true majority in the middle. This is where I think we are failing.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  2. Ronald Kirkman
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    2/14/2012 8:02 PM
    Mel;

    Watch your BLOOD PRESSURE !!!!!!!

    Capt Kirk



  3. Sean Hoolehan
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    2/14/2012 10:02 PM
    Mel,
    I respect your opinion but the difference between life and death is not like taxes, healthcare, or gun control, and my conscience tells me abortion is wrong.



  4. Curtis Nickerson
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    2/15/2012 4:02 AM
    Mel,
    You want to talk about some businesses having an advantages over others, what about all the wavers this administration is handing out to "some" to the new health care bill... How is one business required to participate in the program and others are given a pass...

    The entire system is broken... I don't care what side of the isle you sit on... G.W. or Obama, blame whomever you like. The country is broken, and everyday it is getting worse



  5. McCallum David K
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    2/15/2012 6:02 AM
    Mel merely politics as usual. The administration times their annoucment of this to create another talking point for the media to concentrate on and deflect talk of jobs and the economy. If you remember 4, 5, 6 debates ago George S asked a question on that topic to Romney that came from totally out of the blue. To his credit he never gave an answer to a "posed" question. Why should be expect different from politicians from either side of the aisle.



  6. Jon Gansen
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    2/15/2012 7:02 AM
    David hit the point perfect, 2 nights ago Dick Morris said this would be a big talking point on Republicans. The claim that they would take away birth control alternatives state by state.. NO ONE talked of this before Soros in the debate. Now there is political left wing ads running in Colorado and other states claiming this. Community organisation comes in handy for this administration, how convenient that every time the economy should be front and center issues spring up out of no where to take away the fact that this administration is spending money hand over fist and driving this country deeper in debt and all without a budget.



  7. Clay Putnam
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    2/15/2012 8:02 AM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:

    But my other question is I thought this election was about jobs and the economy, why are the social issues taking the front and center?

    Mel


    Because the man on Pennsylvania Ave brought the issue front and center.



  8. Sandy Clark
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    2/15/2012 9:02 AM
    Mel, the simple fact that is non-political is that Obama nor any government leader, do not have the authority to tell any religious organization or any insurance company that they must give anything away for free. They also have no right under the constitution to tell any religion or religious organization how to operate. Birth control and abortion are not even issues because Planned Parenthood provides both for close to nothing. Nobody was screaming for free birth control. It is readily available and it is inexpensive. As the other guys have stated, it is a smoke screen to cover up his and his party's poor performance. Just think of the press screaming if a republican congress and senate failed to propose a budget for three years. Think how critical they would be if a republican president proposed budget scams like Obama has done the past couple of years. Last year his proposed budget lost 97 to 0 in the senate. Just a reminder, the dems control the senate. Harry Reid will blame republicans again this time but unless forced to do so, he will never bring Obama's budget to the floor. He will blame right wing extremists and again nothing will be accomplished. It isn't right wing or left wing to understand that we cannot keep increasing our already out of control debt. Spending must be reduced and sanity needs to take over.



  9. Steve Nelson
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    2/15/2012 9:02 AM
    Well Mel, the whole idea of an election is to get information and be able to differentiate one candidate or one party from another. As we all know, the economy isn't great, so Obama plays this chess piece to highlight the conservative social values of some of the Republican candidates, knowing full well that the issue will be a media talking point for a little while, blurring/delaying the economic issues but polarizing the two parties on social issues.

    The timing was interesting since Santorum, the most socially conservative (stone age in my Republican opinion) benefitted from it with the Republican base, thereby weakening Romney, who will ultimately be the nominee but must now battle on in a very divided Republican nominee fight. I'm not an Obama fan but I must say it was well played since it forces the nomination battle to continue, draining everyone's war chest, it highlights the very conservative social views of some candidates- which fires up his base and makes independents wonder, and makes Republican strategists consider whether or not Romney should pick a social conservative running mate, given the recent success of Santorum. (Note to Republicans- please don't. McCain was better off without Palin, and Romney will be better off without Santorum- please keep focused on how to create broad support and fix the economy!)



  10. Melvin Waldron
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    2/16/2012 3:02 PM
    Sean, I agree with your convictions, I certainly would not want to make a decision such as that, and I know if I was faced with it I know what my decision would be. The importance of that decision makes all others pale in comparison, but I guess my point is, shouldn't that be made by only those involved? The government or churches shouldn't make the decision for them. If the people want to rely on their faith, church, community, that is a different matter, but the person is making it to have them involved. The government seems to be making it for others. In the abortion situation, Virginia is mandating an invasive ultra-sound. That is the republican party who wants government out of peoples lives but in this situation they are willing to step in to try and prevent the abortion.

    I can see the president getting bashed about the contraception issue. He was mandating the church provide contraception to hospitals and universities that they run, I can see where it can be conceived as going against what a church believes in, and if they don't want to provide it, but the difference is the mandate and we can debate the right and wrong of it, doesn't mandate the person has to take the contraception if they don't want to. It is a little different then what Virginia wants to do. But in a big picture I can see the similarities, so I can understand the criticizing of the president and the democrats, what I don't understand is why some of you give a pass to the right?

    I guess the point I am making now is, there are two similar situations, above, one by each party and yet only one side gets criticized. I guess anytime anyone discusses politics anymore we must prepare ourselves for hypocrisy on both sides.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  11. Clay Putnam
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    2/16/2012 5:02 PM
    An excerpt from The New Republic in reference to Muslims rights. It appears Christians are not afforded the same.

    "On the other hand, I think this will pay long-term political dividends for Democrats. There's a classic pattern of Democrats cementing the allegience of minority groups by standing up for them when those groups sit outside the mainstream culture, and thus when there's a real political price to defending them. Fifty years from now, Muslims will be voting heavily Democratic because they'll remember that Obama defended their rights when it was unpopular to do so. Of course that won't help Obama, but it's impressive to see him stand on principle." - Jonathan Chait



  12. Sandy Clark
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    2/17/2012 8:02 AM
    This whole thing has never been about contraception or abortion. As I stated earlier, they are readily available and no politician running for President is trying to ban them. It was never an issue until George S brought it up out of the clear blue in a debate and Romney looked at him like he was a total idiot. It is purely about the President trying to mandate what a faith based operation must do. The Constitution does not provide the President with that power. It remains a total smoke screen to get your mind of a record he can't run on!



  13. Wahlin Scott B
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    2/17/2012 8:02 AM
    Just a few short years ago...

    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsDmPEeurfA[/youtube">



  14. Wahlin Scott B
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    2/17/2012 2:02 PM
    This song was banned from the radio. Loretta was a grandmother at 29.

    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DcdONaKSQM[/youtube">



  15. Melvin Waldron
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    2/22/2012 8:02 AM
    If anyone caught Jon Stewart last night (2/21/12 show) his one segment about what was happening in Virginia was very good at making the point I was trying to make. Unless someone beats me to the punch and can link that segment, I will try to located it and link it when I get home tonight, (please someone smarter then me beat me to the punch on that). It is also repeated sometime during the day and at 6 PM eastern.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  16. Clay Putnam
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    2/22/2012 4:02 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS"]This song was banned from the radio. Loretta was a grandmother at 29.

    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DcdONaKSQM[/youtube">[/quote

    A pill problem or a lineage of tramps problem?



  17. Wahlin Scott B
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    2/22/2012 5:02 PM
    "Lineage of tramps" *shaking head* I would say that is a typical conservative thought process along with not doing a single minute of fact finding, but LL was married to her husband before she had a kid and remained married to him until his death. I would say that was the culture in an area where not so long before that people only lived until they were 40 and most children died.



  18. Clay Putnam
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    2/22/2012 7:02 PM
    Geez Scott, don't be so defensive. I should have been more clear with my comment, I couldn't care less about Loretta Lynn or that she was 14 when she married or that she had a room full of kids by the time she was 19 or that she was a coal miners daughter or that she could have been dead by the time she was 40 particularly since life expectancy for her is 81...



  19. Melvin Waldron
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    2/22/2012 7:02 PM
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-f ... sound-bill

    Here is the link to the bit.

    The governor of Virgina, Bob McDonald has now decided to back off on signing the legislation.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  20. Peter Bowman
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    2/22/2012 7:02 PM
    I have a new favorite blues artist. A guy I heard for the first time today, and he died back in 1998. His name was Junior Kimbrough. And, speaking of tramps, Kimbrough's song "Tramp"....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLF8UA29CCw



  21. Steven Kurta
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    2/22/2012 8:02 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    The governor of Virgina, Bob McDonald has now decided to back off on signing the legislation.

    Mel


    Yeah I just saw that, Mel. What the deuce is going on in Virginia?
    I mean, I'm happy they didn't succeed with this ploy, and it heartens me to think that there are people out there who understand what the bill was really about.
    Still, that it fell apart at the last minute like that is weird.



  22. Melvin Waldron
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    2/22/2012 8:02 PM
    Steve,
    I think what happened was there was a lot of pressure put on the politicians there in Virgina, many people gathering at the state house. I think Gov. McDonald started thinking, he couldn't afford to go that far right if he wanted a political future. I know he wants to be on the republican ticket as VP.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  23. Wahlin Scott B
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    2/22/2012 8:02 PM
    Steven Kurta said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    The governor of Virgina, Bob McDonald has now decided to back off on signing the legislation.

    Mel


    Yeah I just saw that, Mel. What the deuce is going on in Virginia?
    I mean, I'm happy they didn't succeed with this ploy, and it heartens me to think that there are people out there who understand what the bill was really about.
    Still, that it fell apart at the last minute like that is weird.


    I think someone eventually pointed out to the governor that even though it was feel good legislation for the far right, shoving anything into a woman's vagina without her consent is illegal even in Virginia.



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