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1. Wahlin Scott B

   
   9/20/2011 9:09 AM

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2. McCallum David K

   
   9/21/2011 6:09 AM

   Yea I feel a lot better now that we have that out of the closet.

   
   
   
   
3. Peter Bowman

   

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   9/21/2011 8:09 PM

   O.K. Scott, I finally sat through the whole video. I've been busy. Frankly, I don't have an opinion on gays in the military. Only the rank and file, IMHO, should have a say whether they can ask and someone should tell. If it doesn't bother them it doesn't bother me.
   
   What really gets my goat with that video is how the background music is obviously chosen to match the agenda. First just a piano for a couple minutes, then a violin chimes in. Ain't that sweet. God I hate when they do that. Doesn't matter the content, the music is chosen to pull your heartstring. Pisses me off.
   
   Play it again and notice how the beat picks up when Obama speaks on the topic. Hmmmm. I wonder how that happened. PBS does that all the time too, and I can't stand it. I'll turn the show off. Whether it's baby seals, penguins, swallows, or grizzly bears. Doesn't matter, the music fits the agenda.
   
   Who started that, anyway?

   
   
   
   
4. Wahlin Scott B

   
   9/21/2011 10:09 PM

   The background music offended you? Really?!

   
   
   
   
5. Peter Bowman

   

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   9/21/2011 10:09 PM

   No, it absolutely did not offend me. Did I say that it did?
   
   I just said that I hate it when they choose music to try to pull on heartstrings. The argument presented should do that, if it's any good.
   
   As I've siad before, getting offended is overrated. I don't get offended. It's just words.
   
   Nice try Scott.

   
   
   
   
6. Christopher Boldreghini

   

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   9/22/2011 7:09 AM

   Just a thought. I was in the Marines in the early 90's. In boot camp we had a shower room that was wide open(no stalls). With that being said, I guess we should have straight women, straight men, and gays all shower together in boot camp. JMO.
   
   Charlie Boldreghini
   Former Marine

   
   
   
   
7. Trevor Monreal

   

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   9/22/2011 1:09 PM

   I don't understand what the problem was with DADT. In fact, society should adopt the same policy. We shouldn't ask individuals if they are white, black, hispanic, christian, jew, atheist, tall, short, fat, etc. And, we shouldn't have to tell anybody what category we find ourselves in.
   When we try to "break down" barriers we end up putting up walls.
   I don't care what you are...are you qualified.
   Seems simple to me.

   
   
   
   
8. McCallum David K

   
   9/22/2011 1:09 PM

   But can we ask if you are here illegally?

   
   
   
   
9. Wahlin Scott B

   
   9/22/2011 2:09 PM

   Joining the military is one of the ways to become legal in this country. My son lost a combat team member who was a Mexican trying to become an American.
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10. Wahlin Scott B

    
    9/22/2011 2:09 PM

    thetrev said: I don't understand what the problem was with DADT. In fact, society should adopt the same policy. We shouldn't ask individuals if they are white, black, hispanic, christian, jew, atheist, tall, short, fat, etc. And, we shouldn't have to tell anybody what category we find ourselves in.
    When we try to "break down" barriers we end up putting up walls.
    I don't care what you are...are you qualified.
    Seems simple to me.

    
    
    You could be discharged for being gay. Now you cannot. That is the difference.

    
    
    
    
11. McCallum David K

    
    9/23/2011 6:09 AM

    Anyone volunteering to serve in our military should be FAST TRACKED through the immigration process. I still believe the old rules of citizenship should apply.....some knowledge of our history, our constitution, the ability to speak our language, etc etc........but they should go to the front of the line.

    
    
    
    
12. Trevor Monreal

    

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    9/23/2011 6:09 AM

    Thought about that after I posted my comment.
    I still think a "watered down" DADT policy is a good idea.
    Those "smart guys" in the Pentagon and/or Washington can figure out a way were no group is discriminated against or glorified. Again, a warrior for our country is just that, a warrior. Not a white warrior, black warrior, or a gay warrior. Same thing goes for a productive member of society. What do we call a non-productive member?...WORTHLESS! I know a few of those people.
    I agree with McCallum...serve 4 years in the military and I will welcome you America with open arms.

    
    
    
    
13. Melvin Waldron

    

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    9/23/2011 3:09 PM

    Quick question for you guys wanting to give citizenship to immigrants who will join our military. While I agree it's noble and if someone does serve they earned citizenship, but to play devils advocate, do we have immigrants joining our military just to earn citizenship? How are they going to get vetted, what if they happen to join to infiltrate our military to do us harm? Does this make us not as safe? Also do we recruit immigrants to fight our wars and battles for us instead of us doing that? What does that say about us? Just trying to look at the big picture.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
14. McCallum David K

    
    9/26/2011 7:09 AM

    Geeeeeeeeeeeeee Mel kind of the like the muslim Major at Fort Hood huh?

    
    
    
    
15. Melvin Waldron

    

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    9/26/2011 11:09 AM

    Dave, that was one thought that crossed my mind, that's why I asked the question. Also as it has been since the civil war on up through Vietnam, and even to a degree today. The rich have been able to buy their way out of service, or go to college and get deferments, or the poor join the ranks as a way out of poverty, is the next step we recruit immigrants to do our fighting?
    
    I don't think that is a good thing, just like many of us have really not sacrificed during these past wars, so we continue to let them go on and spend billions on them? (I guess with the economy tanking we sacrifice that way due to the debt created).
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
16. McCallum David K

    
    9/27/2011 2:09 PM

    Mel I still agree on fast tracking ex military if they want to be a citizen............but under the old rules of knowing the Constitution, the history of our country..........speaking the language of English.........but now we digress to the War Between the States and Vietnam on the rich and powerful getting all the breaks........give me a break please. The military is ALL VOLUNTEER NOW............I happened to serve in Vietnam with a guy that's dad was a US Congressman from Wisconsin........another one of those the scaly-wag Republicans hiding out in the I Corps

    
    
    
    
17. Melvin Waldron

    

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    9/27/2011 7:09 PM

    David, I was painting with a broad brush, I remember having that in my original post, but must have edited it out before posting. I know there were plenty of rich who joined the service, heck Senator Kerry was one, of course the Republicans blasted his service.
    
    The point I was trying to make and probably did a poor job of it, was even as volunteers, which is great, do immigrants start volunteering to get citizenship, do citizens stop volunteering and we rely on immigrants? I don't think it will come to that but we are opening that can of worms.

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
18. Wahlin Scott B

    
    9/27/2011 9:09 PM

    I think all branches meet their recruiting goals. I presume that as the demand for spots increases even among non-US Citizens, the requirements to get in go up.

    
    
    
    
19. McCallum David K

    
    9/28/2011 12:09 PM

    One of the few times I agree with Scott..........I do not think currently any of the branches have a hard time meeting recruitment quotas. The military seems to have lots of volunteers during tough economic times and when the country is in need........i.e. after 9/11. Other than getting shot at on a daily basis depending upon your MOS.........it ain't all bad............pay is a lot better and for those worrying about a healthcare plan....you could do worse.