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1. Ronald Kirkman

   

   42 posts
   
   7/11/2012 1:07 PM

   Greetings;
   
   I have no idea if this is true or not. I'm just checking with you ladies and gents. Not looking for an argument just want to get a little better educated on this. I guess what I'm looking for - is this really part of the health bill? Mel, Professor, & others - let's hear the truth and don't yell at me.
   
   I did receive this via email.
   
   Subject: Fwd: New Home Sales Tax in 2013
   
   When does your home become part of your health care? After 2012!
   
   Your vote counts big time in 2012, make sure you and all your friends and family know about this!
   
   Fred A. Mullis
   
   HOME SALES TAX
   
   I thought you might find this interesting,
   
   The National Association of Realtors is all over this and working to get it repealed, -- before it takes effect. But, I am very pleased we aren't the only ones who know about this ploy to steal billions from unsuspecting homeowners. How many realtor's do you think will vote Democratic in 2012?
   
   Did you know that if you sell your house after 2012 you will pay a 3.8% sales tax on it? That's $9500 on a $250,000 home, etc. When did this happen? It's in the health care bill, -- and it goes into effect in 2013. Why 2013? Could it be so that it doesn't come to light until after the 2012 elections? So, this is change you can believe in?
   
   Under the new health care bill all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% sales tax.
   
   If you sell a $400,000 home, there will be a $15,200 tax. This bill is set to screw the retiring generation, -- who often downsize their homes. Does this make your November, 2012 vote more important?
   
   Oh, you weren't aware that this was in the ObamaCare bill? Guess what; you aren't alone! There are more than a few members of Congress that weren't aware of it either.
   
   You can check this out for yourself at:
   
   http://www.gop.gov/blog/10/04/08/obamac ... taxes-home
   
   Capt. Kirk
   Retired Alien
   Needham Golf Club
   Needham, MA 02492

   
   
   
   
2. Wahlin Scott B

   
   7/11/2012 2:07 PM

   Ronald Kirkman said: Greetings;
   
   I have no idea if this is true or not.

   
   
   It is easy enough to find out:
   
   http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/realestate.asp

   
   
   
   
3. Ronald Kirkman

   

   42 posts
   
   7/11/2012 2:07 PM

   Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:

   Ronald Kirkman said: Greetings;
   
   I have no idea if this is true or not.

   
   
   It is easy enough to find out:
   
   http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/realestate.asp

   
   
   Thanks Professor - That Snoopy Snopes or Shopes is smart. 97 % of the taxpayers will not be affected - only those like David making over $250,000 and the tax is minimal. These right wingers try and turn everything around. My conclusion - another win for Obama Care and the citizens.
   
   Capt Kirk
   Retired Alien
   Needham Golf Club
   Needham, MA 02492

   
   
   
   
4. Melvin Waldron

   

   43 posts
   
   7/11/2012 2:07 PM

   Ronald Kirkman said:

   Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:

   Ronald Kirkman said: Greetings;
   
   I have no idea if this is true or not.

   
   
   It is easy enough to find out:
   
   http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/realestate.asp

   
   
   Thanks Professor - That Snoopy Snopes or Shopes is smart. 97 % of the taxpayers will not be affected - only those like David making over $250,000 and the tax is minimal. These right wingers try and turn everything around. My conclusion - another win for Obama Care and the citizens.
   
   Capt Kirk
   Retired Alien
   Needham Golf Club
   Needham, MA 02492

   
   
   Capt. does this mean you have come over to our side? Hopefully Gov. Romney doesn't hear he lost you, next thing we'll see him put Gov. Palin on the ticket with him to try and win you back.
   
   I just read the Snopes thing too, I liked that example of someone getting that much profit on a house that they purchased in early 2000, it made me laugh, I wonder if any one's home is worth more now then it was in 2004.
   
   Mel

   
   Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
   
   
5. Wahlin Scott B

   
   7/11/2012 3:07 PM

   Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: I just read the Snopes thing too, I liked that example of someone getting that much profit on a house that they purchased in early 2000, it made me laugh, I wonder if any one's home is worth more now then it was in 2004.
   
   Mel

   
   
   I was fortunate enough to be able to buy my house outright in 2003. It nearly doubled in value before it dropped to less than half. It has gone up about $20,000 in the past 6-8 months.

   
   
   
   
6. Ronald Kirkman

   

   42 posts
   
   7/11/2012 4:07 PM

   Mel,
   
   Not choosing sides yet - still middle of the road-er (Independent). I am still grieving over my gal Sarah Palin. Wonder who Romney will get as VP. Chelsea Handler from Chelsea Lately would make a good VP - I'd vote for her.
   
   Capt. Kirk
   Retired Alien
   Needham Golf Club
   Needham,MA 02492

   
   
   
   
7. Keith Pegg

   

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   7/11/2012 5:07 PM

   Ronald Kirkman said: Mel,
   
   Not choosing sides yet - still middle of the road-er (Independent). I am still grieving over my gal Sarah Palin. Wonder who Romney will get as VP. Chelsea Handler from Chelsea Lately would make a good VP - I'd vote for her.
   
   Capt. Kirk
   Retired Alien
   Needham Golf Club
   Needham,MA 02492

   
   
   This would be a good running mate for Mitt!
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc_MakAaBZ8
   
   Keith

   
   
   
   
8. Ronald Kirkman

   

   42 posts
   
   7/11/2012 5:07 PM

   Keith,
   
   I'll go along with that - Christine O'Donnell as VP - As The Big Bopper would say "That's What I Like" or something like that.
   
   Mel, lot's of women for VP - That could be Obama's downfall.
   
   Capt. Kirk
   Retired Alien
   Needham Golf Club
   Needham, MA02492

   
   
   
   
9. Melvin Waldron

   

   43 posts
   
   7/11/2012 8:07 PM

   Ronald Kirkman said: Mel,
   
   Not choosing sides yet - still middle of the road-er (Independent). I am still grieving over my gal Sarah Palin. Wonder who Romney will get as VP. Chelsea Handler from Chelsea Lately would make a good VP - I'd vote for her.
   
   Capt. Kirk
   Retired Alien
   Needham Golf Club
   Needham,MA 02492

   
   
   Capt. I'm thinking Chelsea doesn't lean that way, but you would know better, would Chuey move in with her at the Observatory? It might steal my vote.
   
   Mel

   
   Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
   
   
10. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    7/11/2012 8:07 PM

    Ronald Kirkman said: Keith,
    
    I'll go along with that - Christine O'Donnell as VP - As The Big Bopper would say "That's What I Like" or something like that.
    
    Mel, lot's of women for VP - That could be Obama's downfall.
    
    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA02492

    
    
    Capt. I'm thinking if Secretary Clinton wore a dress and not a pantsuit, you would have voted for her?
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
11. Ronald Kirkman

    

    42 posts
    
    7/11/2012 9:07 PM

    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:

    Ronald Kirkman said: Keith,
    
    I'll go along with that - Christine O'Donnell as VP - As The Big Bopper would say "That's What I Like" or something like that.
    
    Mel, lot's of women for VP - That could be Obama's downfall.
    
    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA02492

    
    
    Capt. I'm thinking if Secretary Clinton wore a dress and not a pantsuit, you would have voted for her?
    
    Mel

    
    
    A-B-S-O-L-U-t-L-E-Y

    
    
    
    
12. Gregory Brooking

    

    0 posts
    
    7/11/2012 10:07 PM

    It's not true, so don't worry, be happy.

    
    
    
    
13. McCallum David K

    
    7/18/2012 1:07 PM

    Capt. K you jokester you...........250K ha..........I make only $13.67 less per annum than D. Lusional, MD but I am a full time superintendent.........at least for the time being. Making my first visit to SS on Friday to discuss my future with one of our governements finest employees.

    
    
    
    
14. Steven Huffstutler

    

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    7/18/2012 2:07 PM

    David McCallum said: Capt. K you jokester you...........250K ha..........I make only $13.67 less per annum than D. Lusional, MD but I am a full time superintendent.........at least for the time being. Making my first visit to SS on Friday to discuss my future with one of our governements finest employees.

    
    
    
    Man, I'm not far behind you. I would be interested to know how that goes.
    
    Steve

    
    
    
    
15. Wahlin Scott B

    
    7/18/2012 3:07 PM

    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said:

    David McCallum said: Capt. K you jokester you...........250K ha..........I make only $13.67 less per annum than D. Lusional, MD but I am a full time superintendent.........at least for the time being. Making my first visit to SS on Friday to discuss my future with one of our governements finest employees.

    
    
    
    Man, I'm not far behind you. I would be interested to know how that goes.
    
    Steve

    
    
    See, we are all socialists at heart.

    
    
    
    
16. Sandy Clark

    

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    7/18/2012 3:07 PM

    Scott, you forget, we along with our employers put that money in. The government has just had the freedom to assign it to far too many other areas and mismanage it! Taking SS is just reclaiming a part of the money we contributed minus the government mismanagement fees!

    
    
    
    
17. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    7/18/2012 7:07 PM

    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Scott, you forget, we along with our employers put that money in. The government has just had the freedom to assign it to far too many other areas and mismanage it! Taking SS is just reclaiming a part of the money we contributed minus the government mismanagement fees!

    
    
    Sandy if we are lucky to live long enough, we'll get more out of SS then we put in maybe. We should certainly get more out of Medicare with what things cost. Just my opinion and hope.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
18. Wahlin Scott B

    
    7/19/2012 12:07 AM

    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Scott, you forget, we along with our employers put that money in. The government has just had the freedom to assign it to far too many other areas and mismanage it! Taking SS is just reclaiming a part of the money we contributed minus the government mismanagement fees!

    
    
    I did not forget that, the right did (you did!). Gore wanted to put Clinton's surpluses into a "lock box" to assure the benefit of social security. The right along with the supreme court threw our surpluses and Gore's Presidency down the toilet. "Mismanagement" is owned by the right, not the left. (Tax cuts and two wars, and you say the left is mismanaging! Please!)

    
    
    
    
19. McCallum David K

    
    7/19/2012 8:07 AM

    Steve will email you with the result of my meeting tomorrow. I gave my employer a proposal, they countered and now I want an unbiased opinion as to which will benefit me the most at the end of 2013.
    
    Yes Scott if finally drawing what I have paid into for 40+ years then you can finally call me a socialist.......and medicare too. But am told all medicare recipents will be in for a December surprise shortly after the election so we will see. Hell I would have gladly worked until 70 if I had been given that option but unfortunately my salary finally caught up with me and that will not happen. Glad to work as long as I have and don;t intend to to sit at home when I finally leave here in early 2014..........anybody need a really good fairway mower.......unbelievable straight lines !

    
    
    
    
20. Wahlin Scott B

    
    7/19/2012 9:07 AM

    "Paid into" is what socialism is all about. You are about to become a socialist.

    
    
    
    
21. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    7/19/2012 9:07 AM

    David McCallum said: Steve will email you with the result of my meeting tomorrow. I gave my employer a proposal, they countered and now I want an unbiased opinion as to which will benefit me the most at the end of 2013.
    
    Yes Scott if finally drawing what I have paid into for 40+ years then you can finally call me a socialist.......and medicare too. But am told all medicare recipents will be in for a December surprise shortly after the election so we will see. Hell I would have gladly worked until 70 if I had been given that option but unfortunately my salary finally caught up with me and that will not happen. Glad to work as long as I have and don;t intend to to sit at home when I finally leave here in early 2014..........anybody need a really good fairway mower.......unbelievable straight lines !

    
    
    Well if the Mayans are wrong about the 2012 thing, Peach might want you up at his place, that way you can send scouting reports on his boy back to the LSU baseball coaches.... I think you should get a job with the LSU grounds crew, then you would get into games free. Good luck with everything, if generically speaking you happen to share some of your thoughts about the process, it would be a great education for the rest of us.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
22. McCallum David K

    
    7/19/2012 1:07 PM

    No Scott not even close........it was my money before it was the governments money. They have only been holding on to (yeah right) for the past 40+ years. And you're forgetting my vast Walmart holdings and 401k young man........hmmmmmm wonder if I can apply for food stamps in 2014 and get a FREE photo ID for voting purposes since my income will plumet from that of D. Lusional, MD to below the poverty level.

    
    
    
    
23. Sandy Clark

    

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    7/19/2012 3:07 PM

    David, are you telling me that you are being forced into retirement in 2 years? I want to make it 6 more if I can but I also worry about the salary issue a little bit. I think in today's world, working to 72 is not unreasonable. I would suggest you move out here when you retire and I could find you a job in the casino. Unfortunately, I will probably have to move out of my once beloved California when I retire. It sounds less economically feasible to retire in CA everyday. When I get all of my own money back that the government borrowed for what will be 50 years, I will need to make my investments and my returned money last for potentially 30 years!

    
    
    
    
24. Wallace Jeffrey V

    
    7/19/2012 7:07 PM

    David McCallum said: since my income will plummet from that of D. Lusional, MD to below the poverty level.

    
    
    Wow! My name has been mentioned in, to my count, 7,864 posts. Does that make me famous, or infamous?
    
    Whatever, I'm already getting a lot of marriage proposals. To date, it's up to 567. Once I take out all of those offers from prisons, I still have 2. One was from a "Toned, Athletic, 350 kg Angel". I don't get metric. Is that slim?
    
    Thanks,
    
    D. Lusional, MD

    
    
    
    
25. Peter Bowman

    

    11 posts
    
    7/19/2012 7:07 PM

    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said:

    David McCallum said: since my income will plummet from that of D. Lusional, MD to below the poverty level.

    
    
    
    Whatever, I'm already getting a lot of marriage proposals. To date, it's up to 567. Once I take out all of those offers from prisons, I still have 2. One was from a "Toned, Athletic, 350 kg Angel". I don't get metric. Is that slim?
    
    Thanks,
    
    D. Lusional, MD

    
    
    Sounds promising. Give him a call.

    
    
    
    
26. Wallace Jeffrey V

    
    7/19/2012 9:07 PM

    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:
    
    Sounds promising. Give him a call.

    
    
    Wait...you think "she" is a..........no way! Okay, I'll send you the phone number. Call it. If you tell me that's not a Norwegian sounding woman's voice, then I'll go with #2. Although, #2 does sound like some Siberian prison guard. I just assumed that the throaty voice was due to cheap cigarettes.
    
    No....they're both real. I'm not that stupid. If I was stupid, how could I spell "Norwegian"? Or spell, "pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis"?
    
    Case rested. Stop trying to embarrass me. It might be working. I hate you.

    
    
    
    
27. James Schmid

    

    1 posts
    
    7/20/2012 12:07 AM

    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: David, are you telling me that you are being forced into retirement in 2 years? I want to make it 6 more if I can but I also worry about the salary issue a little bit. I think in today's world, working to 72 is not unreasonable. I would suggest you move out here when you retire and I could find you a job in the casino. Unfortunately, I will probably have to move out of my once beloved California when I retire. It sounds less economically feasible to retire in CA everyday. When I get all of my own money back that the government borrowed for what will be 50 years, I will need to make my investments and my returned money last for potentially 30 years!

    
    
    If you guys are worried about being pushed out because your salaries are too high why don't you negotiate them down?

    
    
    
    
28. Sandy Clark

    

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    7/20/2012 9:07 AM

    Being 66 years old, I am going to make every last penny I can as long as I can. If it ever came down to reality I would probably do that if it was an option of some versus none. My wife is doing the same thing with her bookkeeping business. She is taking on as many accounts as she can handle, knowing she can always cut back later.

    
    
    
    
29. McCallum David K

    
    7/21/2012 9:07 AM

    You are correct Sandy. Had hoped to work realisticly to 66 knowing 70 was not an option at my payrate and bennies and it looks like 18 more is all i will get from my employer. Had always planned on my assistant getting the job just before the end of 2014 at the earliest. Had a good visit to SS yesterday and got some good info from a wonderful lady there.............absolutely a very knowledgable govt employee.Felt much better after the visit.
    
    So in the next few weeks our negotiations will reconvene and see what I can beat them out of in the next year and a half lol.