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  1. Wahlin Scott B
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  2. Dennis Cook
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    1/2/2012 7:01 AM
    What a farce. The govt telling companies what they have to spend. How long before the govt tells your golf course that you have to spend 85% of your money paying employees, or that you have to give out 85% of your rounds for free?

    If they can take over the auto industry, mortgage industry, health insurance industry, daycare industry, and education, what are they gonna take over next. They always think they can do a better job at everything, but everything they touch, THEY WRECK! We are a much better society when the private sector finds better ways of doing things and competition drives one company to be better than the next.

    We didnt become the world power in 200 years by having the govt run everything, but we sure are losing that standing in the world now that our govt does run everything



  3. McCallum David K
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    1/2/2012 9:01 AM
    Ooooooops another explosion coming soon.



  4. Melvin Waldron
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    1/2/2012 3:01 PM
    Dennis, While I agree with your argument, the problem as I see it was the insurance companies where padding their bottom lines which is ok, but at the expense of dropping customers who needed the product they had been paying for.

    Just my opinion is if the insurance companies wouldn't have been dropping customers or taking advantage of them, the government wouldn't have had to step in. We can debate and disagree on what the government did and I'm all for them fixing the issues, but I also see with the percentage of the health care industry that is involved with GDP or even at the family level where cost keep going up even before the Affordable Health Care Act was put into place and crippling the spending power of many Americans which is hurting the economy. Like I said that is my opinion and would certainly read others thoughts.

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  5. Wahlin Scott B
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    1/2/2012 5:01 PM
    For profit health care is BS no matter how you slice it. The way it stands right now if you get sick just freaking die and get it over with. There is no other alternative. To hell with the haters. Obama 2012!



  6. Samuel Leatherberry
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    1/2/2012 5:01 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: For profit health care is BS no matter how you slice it. The way it stands right now if you get sick just freaking die and get it over with. There is no other alternative. To hell with the haters. Obama 2012!



    For profit? Why shouldnt it be for profit? Why can't we treat health care like other insurance or any other business? What if employers didnt provide health care? What if we opened health care up and everyone had to chose what they had instead of just taking what their employer offered? Prices would go down for sure and people would actually know what they were paying for instead of just accepting high costs.

    On a side note. I declined our employers plan because I got a cheaper, more suitable plan in the free market that fit my family best. Not best for all, but more people need to look at other options.

    Scott, is there anything you disagree with Obama and the libs about? Just curious?



  7. Kauffman John M
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    1/2/2012 5:01 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: For profit health care is BS no matter how you slice it. The way it stands right now if you get sick just freaking die and get it over with. There is no other alternative. To hell with the haters. Obama 2012!


    That's awfully Christian-like to say that, isn't it?

    Remember, the president's bill has nothing to do with health care -- its all about insurance (who pays), not the care. Obama wants to restrict the freedom of individuals to do business with who they want and he wants to restrict the freedom of health care providers to gain compensation for their work.

    Check out Remote Area Medical (http://www.ramusa.org/). They provide free health care to patients in repressed areas all over the world. They rely on monetary donations and in-kind donations of doctors adn nurses. After Obamacare kicks in, the doctors who participate won't have the money and resources to take time away from their own practices to give this much needed care to others. Is that what you're tryign to accomplish?



  8. Wahlin Scott B
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    1/2/2012 5:01 PM
    Samuel Leatherberry said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: For profit health care is BS no matter how you slice it. The way it stands right now if you get sick just freaking die and get it over with. There is no other alternative. To hell with the haters. Obama 2012!



    For profit? Why shouldnt it be for profit? Why can't we treat health care like other insurance or any other business? What if employers didnt provide health care? What if we opened health care up and everyone had to chose what they had instead of just taking what their employer offered? Prices would go down for sure and people would actually know what they were paying for instead of just accepting high costs.

    On a side note. I declined our employers plan because I got a cheaper, more suitable plan in the free market that fit my family best. Not best for all, but more people need to look at other options.

    Scott, is there anything you disagree with Obama and the libs about? Just curious?


    That is a sincerely good and interesting question! I will have to think about that. With a son who spent two years on the Afghanistan/Pakistan Border with the Army Infantry Air Assault as a Combat Team Leader killing the s**t out of the Taliban, and with 22 of the top 30 Al Qaeda killed under Obama I am pretty satisfied with our President as a Commander-In-Chief. My son had everything he needed including air support and a 60mm mortar he could shoulder fire. White Phosphorus will do the trick, or so I am told. Good President, thank you!

    For Profit Heath Care, are you serious? If a man will steal and rob to feed his family, what do you suppose he will do for a dying child? Let's Wake Up America!



  9. Wahlin Scott B
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    1/2/2012 6:01 PM
    John Kauffman said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: For profit health care is BS no matter how you slice it. The way it stands right now if you get sick just freaking die and get it over with. There is no other alternative. To hell with the haters. Obama 2012!


    That's awfully Christian-like to say that, isn't it?

    Remember, the president's bill has nothing to do with health care -- its all about insurance (who pays), not the care. Obama wants to restrict the freedom of individuals to do business with who they want and he wants to restrict the freedom of health care providers to gain compensation for their work.

    Check out Remote Area Medical (http://www.ramusa.org/). They provide free health care to patients in repressed areas all over the world. They rely on monetary donations and in-kind donations of doctors adn nurses. After Obamacare kicks in, the doctors who participate won't have the money and resources to take time away from their own practices to give this much needed care to others. Is that what you're tryign to accomplish?


    "To hell with haters"? I don't want them in Heaven, so I will go with that statement! I cannot read your responses. Even though this one was short, which I appreciate as soon as I see asinine words like "Obamacare" my mind shuts down.



  10. Samuel Leatherberry
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    1/2/2012 6:01 PM
    "To hell with haters"? I don't want them in Heaven.


    First off, wrong statement. I want all people to have a chance to repent and come to meet and live in eternity with there heavenly father. Doesnt mean everyone will, but I dont want anyone to not make it to heaven. Jesus didnt sacrifice himself for some, it was for all. John 3:16.

    Also, what is your solution to HealthCare? I threw out some ideas and you dont even consider them. What would you do? Total government take over paid for through higher taxation? Just curious. My ideas may not be the total answer, but they are ideas that are different and may work.



  11. Peter Bowman
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    1/2/2012 8:01 PM
    If you don't agree with Scott, you must be a hater. To hell with you.



  12. Kauffman John M
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    1/2/2012 10:01 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    John Kauffman said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: For profit health care is BS no matter how you slice it. The way it stands right now if you get sick just freaking die and get it over with. There is no other alternative. To hell with the haters. Obama 2012!


    That's awfully Christian-like to say that, isn't it?

    Remember, the president's bill has nothing to do with health care -- its all about insurance (who pays), not the care. Obama wants to restrict the freedom of individuals to do business with who they want and he wants to restrict the freedom of health care providers to gain compensation for their work.

    Check out Remote Area Medical (http://www.ramusa.org/). They provide free health care to patients in repressed areas all over the world. They rely on monetary donations and in-kind donations of doctors adn nurses. After Obamacare kicks in, the doctors who participate won't have the money and resources to take time away from their own practices to give this much needed care to others. Is that what you're tryign to accomplish?


    "To hell with haters"? I don't want them in Heaven, so I will go with that statement! I cannot read your responses. Even though this one was short, which I appreciate as soon as I see asinine words like "Obamacare" my mind shuts down.


    Since my offending term came near the end of the post, can you comment on anything said before the offending term?

    Also, I urge you to check out the great things being done by Remote Area Medical. They operate only because health care is for profit. Without profit, those truly without access (no nearby doctor or no transportation to doctor) suffer.



  13. Kauffman John M
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    1/2/2012 10:01 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: "To hell with haters"? I don't want them in Heaven, so I will go with that statement!


    But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.

    Luke 6:27-28

    ***************************

    If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

    Luke 6:32-36



  14. Clay Putnam
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    1/3/2012 12:01 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:

    "To hell with haters"? I don't want them in Heaven, so I will go with that statement! I cannot read your responses. Even though this one was short, which I appreciate as soon as I see asinine words like "Obamacare" my mind shuts down.


    There in lies the problem Scott. You spout your rhetoric and expect all to accept it as fact and as the only means for which this country should run. You criticize those who fail to research google or read the links you post. Then you shut down when an intelligent reasonable retort is offered; sticking your head in the sand so to speak. You are so woven into the Obama liberal ideals that you are incapable of rational discourse. Your method of debate is to bully, scream, insult, and shut down.

    To answer a question posed earlier, Scott is incapable of criticizing Obama or the left. Obama could dump on Scott's filet and Scott would ask you to pass the salt as he's tucking the napkin in his shirt.



  15. Melvin Waldron
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    1/3/2012 8:01 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS"

    To answer a question posed earlier, Scott is incapable of criticizing Obama or the left. Obama could dump on Scott's filet and Scott would ask you to pass the salt as he's tucking the napkin in his shirt.


    So that's what happens when you win the $5 donation dinner with the President? Who knew?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  16. Dennis Cook
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    1/3/2012 10:01 AM
    Well then why didnt the health care law just state that an insurance company cannot drop you because of a condition. I know a lot of people who were very sick and not one insurance company dropped them or even raised there premiums. They just paid the astronomical medical bills and moved on. I am personally in favor of the HSA plans that are out there, but Obamacare eliminates them in 2014. Why the heck would they get rid of something that works. Because they have a hidden agenda of forcing everyone on the govt teet and using a backdoor way to get to single payer. I like HSA's because they keep premiums down, still have some of the burden on the individual to pay something so they arent just running to the ER for a sore throat, but they also cover me in case of a catastrophic event so I don't bankrupt myself with medical bills. Once I hit my $2400 family deductible, there is 100% coverage for almost everything.

    I think if people had to pay a little more of their medical bills themselves, they might live a little healthier, not run to the ER for every little thing and also question their caregiver on the price of the service. When insurance pays the bill, no one cares what it costs. The hospitals know this and they charge accordingly. There is a cash price and an insurance price at most hospitals for major procedures. Guess which one is higher? Yep the insurance price. Seems to me that the hospitals have some accountability in the price of health care with that type of scam. If we paid for stuff ourselves, the american people would not tolerate that and hospitals would be conscious of it because they would not want patients to seek out other medical facilities.

    I also have no problem with a person who has lifelong medical issues, that are going to cost the insurance company thousands, maybe millions of dollars, to have higher premiums for their medical insurance than those that don't. No different than someone who makes ten claims on their homeowners or someone who is constantly wrecking their car. If you are a smoker, your premiums should be higher than a non smoker. Why should medical insurance be any different than auto, home or life insurance.

    People have gotten away from what health insurance is supposed to be about. It is supposed to be there to protect you from losing everything in a catastrophic situation. It shouldn't be there for every little knick, cut, or cold. A person should be able to pay for an office visit to get that stuff looked at. With the exception of those in true poverty and thats why we have medicaid and the mychild type programs.

    Insurance companies have been regulated into covering so much, no wonder why our premiums are astronomical. We need to have health insurance get back to what insurance is all about and that means covering catastrophic things and let the patient be responsible for the small things like having a wart removed and our insurance costs would be much more affordable for everyone. But lord knows the lefties would never let that happen, because they would not want any of those cadillac policies that are out there for every government, union, and school employee out there to be in jeopardy. Oh no, a teacher might have to pay 10% of their medical insurance cost. Well too bad, most of us in the private sector are paying 30 - 100% of our medical insurance and we are surviving



  17. Sean Hoolehan
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    1/3/2012 11:01 AM
    The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) is much more of a Insurance reform bill than a Healthcare reform bill, which is my chief argument against it. It does little to control actual healthcare costs, or red tape that the healthcare industry is mired in. It has little or no innovation, makes no effort to control Medicare/Medicaid cost shifting, and in fact creates even more cost shifting. It does nothing to open up insurance companies or organizations (like GCSAA) from offering healthcare across state lines, and it penalizes sick pools even further with regressive taxes. Health insurance has been moving to self insured plans for years. Self insured plans generally spend between 7-11% of your premium on administrative tasks. This could be much less with less regulation, but regulation in this industry is a necessary evil. So this Bomb is going to hurt large insurance compaines like the Big Blues, Aetna and others, but most of them have already begun moving to supply administarion over pure insurance, but small groups/businesses who depend on these large insurance companies may find less options (my opinion).

    No matter what the government does the healthy will always subsidies the sick, and the wealthy will spend/donate to programs that help the helpless. When we decide to regulate this obligation we also sell a bit of our soul and loose the opportunity to learn the lessons of compassion and caring that make us human beings. When it comes to our health, some of it is a matter of choice or habit, but much more is a matter of chance, heredity or social circumstance. I am afraid that the more we move away from social responsibility to government responsibility we lose the essence of what it is to give, volunteer, and care for each other. The gift of giving and receiving is a very important element of a healthy society. Of Course to believe that society or government will ever fairly allocate healthcare is Utopian thinking, but I believe we are better off when people choose to care for each other rather than being forced to.



  18. Samuel Leatherberry
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    1/3/2012 11:01 AM
    Dennis and Sean...Great posts.

    Dennis, I am with you that HSA's need to be looked at by alot of people and it will be a shame if in 2014 they become extinct. Your deductible is 2400. Mine is 6000, but like you said 100% coverage after that. I know that the most I will ever pay is $6000, $2400 in your case and that will not bankrupt me. It would suck, but that is what insurance is for. In case something major happens. We dont have a $30 co-pay on auto and home policies. Once again, HSA's not for all but a great option in the marketplace if explored.



  19. Melvin Waldron
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    1/3/2012 12:01 PM
    Dennis good post, I might not agree with 100% of it, but you are making good points, and Sean of course I think you know more about the Affordable Care act then both congress and the president.

    Maybe the HSA should be looked at and added or fixed, to just dump the Affordable Care Act is stupid in my opinion when there are so many good things in it, I say they should work at fixing it, but that won't happen because it will help the president and we know many of the republicans are against that. Just my opinion.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  20. Kauffman John M
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    1/3/2012 12:01 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: Dennis good post, I might not agree with 100% of it, but you are making good points, and Sean of course I think you know more about the Affordable Care act then both congress and the president.

    Maybe the HSA should be looked at and added or fixed, to just dump the Affordable Care Act is stupid in my opinion when there are so many good things in it, I say they should work at fixing it, but that won't happen because it will help the president and we know many of the republicans are against that. Just my opinion.

    Mel


    What are the good things in the Affordable Care Act? Maybe a list of what each side finds good and bad would help this discussion.

    Right now, I think a lot of us don't know what's in it (I certainly don't know) and are making arguments over the poor, biased, and often incorrect information our news sources give us.



  21. Dennis Cook
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    1/3/2012 12:01 PM
    Lets see good things in the affordable care act

    1. Pre-existing conditions. No insurance company can refuse you. Its a good thing, but no insurance company would refuse you before, they would just give you a higher premium. No different than auto insurance for a drunk

    Bad thing in the affordable care act

    1. Cover a kid until there 26 on mom and dads insurance. Another way to drive up premiums and keep someone dependent on someone else when they should be dependent on themselves. Most 26 year olds can get there own policy very inexpensive, because they are healthy



  22. Dennis Cook
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    1/3/2012 12:01 PM
    i dont think HSA's need to be fixed, you just purchase the one that suits your needs. If your needs require a lower deductible, then you will pay a higher monthly premium. If you have a higher deductible, then cost go down considerably



  23. Kauffman John M
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    1/3/2012 1:01 PM
    Dennis Cook said: Lets see good things in the affordable care act

    1. Pre-existing conditions. No insurance company can refuse you. Its a good thing, but no insurance company would refuse you before, they would just give you a higher premium. No different than auto insurance for a drunk

    Bad thing in the affordable care act

    1. Cover a kid until there 26 on mom and dads insurance. Another way to drive up premiums and keep someone dependent on someone else when they should be dependent on themselves. Most 26 year olds can get there own policy very inexpensive, because they are healthy


    I think the pre-existing condition portion was one of those times where the politicians and media pulled one over on us. HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996) limits non-coverage of pre-existing conditions to 18 months after the active date of the policy, although the industry standard since the 1960s was 12 months. So, under the rules in place before the Affordable Care Act, you would get coverage if you had a pre-existing condition, but you had to wait a bit.

    The difference may be in how the different parties view the role of medical insurance. The insurance industry sees their products as true insurance – a policy you buy to protect yourself from future loss. Buying insurance to help you pay for an illness you already have is much like buying insurance on a car after you've had an accident and expecting the auto policy to cover that loss. Still, the medical insurers offer you coverage for that accident after you've bought insurance for the future events.

    But, the politicians and the media regard insurance as a method of payment, hence the requirement to provide payment for services that happened before you bought the policy.



  24. Wahlin Scott B
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    1/3/2012 2:01 PM
    John Kauffman said: That's awfully (un)Christian-like to say that, isn't it?


    Yes, John it was. I was duly and quite rightfully flamed for my comment.



  25. Melvin Waldron
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    1/3/2012 2:01 PM
    Dennis I disagree about the 26 year old staying on parents policy as being bad, but it might only be relevant to our situation but I see it good for others as well. Although it might become irrelevant as the Affordable Care Act kicks in, I'm not sure.

    I do know the pre-existing condition hurt us some the first year I worked for the city, luckily our prescriptions were covered that first year.

    If one has a child that has a genetic condition for him or her to go purchase a policy for themselves it could be quite expensive, so it helps keeping them on our policy. Now if he is lucky enough to have finished college and found a good paying job then that might be different, but at this time we see this issue with lots of people, not just those with a situation.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  26. Sean Hoolehan
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    1/3/2012 4:01 PM
    HSA's work for healthy people who are generally young, even a young person with a chronic health condition could have a hard time getting or affording a policy. As you age the odds of you getting sick increase exponentially. No matter what type of health insurance you purchase it reflects the pool of subscribers. One of the keys to the PPACA is its provision that you cannot be dropped because of being sick (no more lifetime maximums). A preemie baby will often go over 1 million in the first year of their life, which in the past was a common lifetime maximum for may group policies. The problem with this provision in the PPACA it has no functional remedy for a plan that has a catastrophic large claim. Most plans as they are administered can absorb a limited amount of these claims but even one large chronic condition in your plan can drive up cost dramatically for all participants. 5% of the population represent 49% of medical espenses. For a employer provided plan to work it must be a all-in plan. Otherwise the plan will be populated with the sickest, most at risk members and quickly be unaffordable. The PPACA is based on everyone paying a lifetime type of premium. That is why HSA must be phased out for it to work. Something like 2/3 of your lifetime medical cost will happen will happen after you are 55, and 15 conditions account for about 45% of all medical costs. If you are over 55 and have 2 of the top 15 conditions you are not going to afford private (as apposed to employer/group) insurance unless you are pretty wealthy. If your plan pool contains too many of these people your plan premiums will skyrocket, to a level that the PPACA considers "Cadillac" and then taxes you for the benefit. This defining of "Cadillac" plans via premium is a example of how our Administration just does not understand the basic premise of health insurance. The present health care system is not sustainable, but it really not a system but more a evalutionary result of the free market vs social programming. My opinion of the PPACA is it is designed to take the present system down more than build up a new sustainable system.



  27. Wahlin Scott B
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    1/3/2012 5:01 PM
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  28. Kauffman John M
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    1/3/2012 8:01 PM
    Scott, I understand not having been dealt the best genetic hand -- I'm in that boat right along with you. Although I'm not in the health care industry, I have a few immediate family members who work in the insurance industry, specifically with a third-party administrator. From that, you can really get a perspective from an outsider who has to play with the insiders.

    There's a lot to learn about PPACA -- in fact, the big insurers don't know all about it yet and HHS has admitted to insurers that it will not have answers to all their questions for several years and that they will have to make up rules as they go along (this is from official government documents to insurers). But, what I do know of the bill is that it is an insurance bill. It has nothing to do with health care, like seeing doctors or going to the hospital. It is all about insurance company rules.

    Also, the benefits to most people are negligible, while the negatives are huge. Large increases in premiums or decreases in services or coverage amounts are in store for those of us already with insurance, while those who do not have it now will have to pay more for less service if they choose to buy.

    I oppose PPACA because it makes insurance more cumbersome, more expensive, and less beneficial. I haven't found one person who can list positives that impact more than a handful of people or aren't smoke and mirrors.

    For example:

    LIfetime maximums? Most plans do not have a lifetime max. Those that do are rock bottom plans that aren't meant to handle large claims. The buyer is told up front what is covered for the price and what isn't.

    Pre-existing conditions? PPACA only gets rid of them for children. Adults with pre-ex? They can buy from a special high-risk pool. But, HIPAA prevents their pre-x from extending past 18 mo, although the big insurers with big profits only allow pre-x to go 6 months at max.

    I am a young man with a wife and young son (9 months old). In previous years, our FSA could be used for OTC medications, supplies (band-aids) and most medical bills (co-pays, deductibles, etc). Under PPACA, I can't use my FSA for the two things we use the most: OTC drugs and supplies (band-aids, ointments, etc).

    Higher premiums, reduced coverages, and reduced FSA spending is making health care more expensive for working families. This doesn't seem right to me.



  29. Kauffman John M
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    1/3/2012 8:01 PM
    The "experts" may disagree, but my info comes from documents sent out by the federal department of Health and Human Services. I have already pointed out how TV news and newspaper "experts" know very little about what is actually happening (or maybe they know exactly what's happening, then they tell us something completely different).

    The talking heads may disagree with me, the news pundits may disagree with me, and the president's pres secretary may disagree with me. But, I see the communications that HHS sends out to insurers and I see how this impacts self-insured businesses, as well as fully-insured ones. Get ready -- health care is about to get a lot more expensive and a lot more complicated.

    Sean was right. PPACA isn't about helping anyone. PPACA is about changing who pays for health care and how much they pay. Some will contribute, but everyone will pay more. Many will receive less.



  30. Wahlin Scott B
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    1/3/2012 10:01 PM
    John Kauffman said: Sean was right. PPACA isn't about helping anyone. PPACA is about changing who pays for health care and how much they pay. Some will contribute, but everyone will pay more. Many will receive less.


    Sean is a very convincing guy, but he manages golf courses not health care systems. In my case I am completely locked into a system where if I should lose my job for some reason I am dead. Under the current system if I lose my job I get COBRA which I can afford for about 15 minutes. The hospitals will literally let you die on the sidewalk outside the ER. I have been there before. It sounds dramatic and it is, but I can remember hearing my wife crying and seeing the tears on the giant orderly's face as he carried me (all 250#) to our mini-van. My liver had completely failed and I was denied medical service by my HMO because my doctor assumed I was a drug addict. I was subsequently given a 5% chance of survival. We need a descent healthcare system in this country and unless you have the money or the hubris of a Republican you fully realize we do not have one.



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