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  1. Sandy Clark
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    6/1/2012 2:06 PM
    I for the life of me can't figure out why everyone in both parties wouldn't endorse the idea of fair and legitimate elections. How is having a picture ID discrimination. You must have to have one to get welfare or food stamps. You need one for any bank. You can't drive without having a license. You certainly cannot board a plane. You can't legally purchase alcohol or smokes without a picture ID. Cities, States, the DMV have all said they are available in many cases for free. Many groups will help people get to the places if they can't get there themselves. Shoot, I need to show my ID frequently when using credit cards, especially because my name is Sandy. We have voter fraud in California. Voter fraud has been documented in local and national races all over the country. If we were to look under that rock, it may be far worse then we even imagine. Why is Eric Holder so against pursuing the elimination of voter fraud and in fact fighting against states cleaning up their voting rolls such as Florida is currently doing. I can't make this partisan. You either have the privilege of voting or you are not eligible. The guidelines exist already as to what is a legal voter. Other than politics that I do not understand, why isn't this a no brainer? I understand a very few people may have trouble with birth certificates but for those few, how do they function in everyday life? I am baffled!



  2. McCallum David K
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    6/1/2012 2:06 PM
    Could not agree more Sandy. This has always baffled me when minorities say it puts them at a disadvantage. You need photo to get on an airplane, for your passport, to buy alcochol and now in La tobacco as well. If if one does not drive in our state they can obtain a valid Louisiana photo ID card, stating their name, age, and address. If poor you can obtain it free. I have never voted without producing my drivers license to prove who I am.



  3. Melvin Waldron
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    6/1/2012 8:06 PM
    I can see some of what you guys are saying, for people like us, providing an id isn't that big of deal, as the points you make in getting an id. But I just don't understand and see that voter fraud is that rampant. Anyone have the numbers of actual fraud cases that have occurred out there? Was this the most pressing items in the state houses this past election cycle? I thought it was about jobs and the economy.

    I do know it was just passed here in Missouri. In order for it to get passed, the state will provide those without drivers licences with state picture id's at no charge to those people. The cost? $7 million dollars, here we are cutting education budgets, money for the blind programs just because the republicans in the state were worried about voting fraud?

    Many years ago in New Jersey one didn't need their picture on their drivers license. In larger cities where people use mass transit and don't drive they aren't necessary needing drivers licenses. How many of these people actually fly and need a photo id? When you say that photo id's are needed to cash checks, use credit cards and the like, don't you think in the little neighborhoods of cities, people know where they can get checks cashed and do their banking without a photo id? If they need to show a photo id to get liquor and cigarettes in Louisiana and the person doesn't have it, I'm sure someone in their household has one and gets it for them, there is probably more fraud there then ever has to be worried about in the voting booth. I haven't always had to produce my photo id when voting, I did have to show my voters registration card.

    I guess my two issues are, all the sacrifices our military and others have made on our behalves to allow us the ability to vote and doing anything to discourage ones engagement in our civic duty and right is bull pucky.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  4. Dennis Cook
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    6/2/2012 4:06 AM
    Mel, a cut in education? You mean a reduction in the increase!!!!!!!!!!!!



  5. James Schmid
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    6/2/2012 7:06 AM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:

    I guess my two issues are, all the sacrifices our military and others have made on our behalves to allow us the ability to vote and doing anything to discourage ones engagement in our civic duty and right is bull pucky.

    Mel


    Thats why we need no make sure it's "US" voting. I would say that our civic duty goes far beyond showing up once every four years to cast a ballot. Perhaps ensuring the integrity of our voting process could be also considered our civic duty.


    This argument that the poor will be affected more is probably true, And if it costs the DMV a couple of million bucks to give out free IDs to citizens, thats fine, We should not expect that being able to run a fair and honest election would be cheap. We need to move forward, and the fact that someone will be negatively affected by progress should be accepted as a given. Someone will always be negatively affected by any change. Thats how it works.



  6. Dennis Cook
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    6/2/2012 8:06 AM
    by us providing the poor with free ID's look at the freedoms they will gain. They will have the ability to get a job, get on a plane, buy alcohol and cigarettes, open a bank account and start saving money, and have the ability to prove they are within the age to get on their parents insurance policy :lol:



  7. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    6/2/2012 5:06 PM
    It appears to me that everyone is stating the same thing here. Spend the money to issue state IDs to anyone that cannot afford one. Those that have a license to drive....no need for further action. This will only work if all states recognized a valid state ID for the purpose of voting. I could not agree more with the concept of, "If you are ineligible to vote, you cannot vote." That is fair.

    But poverty doesn't discriminate according to which party you have registered with. Every single person in this country should have the right to vote, if eligible. It helps all of us. Republican, Democrat, Independent.....everyone. Once eligible, it is your duty to vote. The percentage of eligible voters that actually took the time to cast a vote varied from 48% to 56% in the last ten Presidential elections. That is pathetic. We are pathetic. We have the right to vote, unencumbered by the threat of guns, machetes, goon squads, etc., and half of us are just too busy to vote?

    For a one time cost, whatever that cost, we should ensure that every eligible voter has both a state and federal recognized ID with a photo, if that person cannot afford the cost of that identification. We currently have a population of around 315 million. If even 25% of that population cannot afford a photo ID, that is around 79 million.

    What is the actual cost to produce a legitimate ID? $1.50?, $2.00?, or $3.00? I have no idea, but let's go with the higher cost. Even though it would be stretching the imagination that we would need to provide free photo IDs for 25% of our population, that would be a cost of $237 million, or 20 hours in Afghanistan.

    Seriously? For less than the cost of one day of fighting on foreign soil for "our rights", we could have all 315 million eligible Americans have the legally recognized right to vote, with legally recognized identification. And not simply for 20 hours, but forever.

    Where is the outrage to not have every Republican, Democrat, Independent, or any new party expected, as is their duty, to not be at a voting booth on that given day? Whether it be local, state, federal.....midterm or otherwise?

    Feel free to check my math. I tend to make mistakes when I'm angry.



  8. Keith Pegg
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    6/2/2012 11:06 PM
    Voter ID,

    I looked up voter fraud the other day after reading about the new Florida rules, and for the life I cannot see the problem we only had like 6 cases per state on average in the complete US last election and most of these were never proven as true voter fraud. People that are not legal in the States don't vote because they stay away from all government agencies that might catch them. If they do get fake ID. The cheap stuff to buy beer or liquor the $50 kind they are not going to risk Voting. If you buy the $$$ ID $20,000 and even more with SS#, passport, etc. You are not going to vote for fear of losing that ID. Maybe a few dozen nationwide have true voter fraud in mind "like a vote in millions is going to change things". What is going on in Florida is could swing vote favor to Republican because they are trying to cut many thousand voters most all democrats. This is an important swing state that could change the outcome of a close national election. The 48 hour rule took league of women voters out of business for a time, this was over turned, we were lucky on that one.
    This is one thing the feds need to get involved in and set the rules for all voters and the registration of voters. It needs to be the same nationwide. I do agree with ID to vote, but one item with a picture is enough and in the case of a non-driver a state ID should be free.
    I am proud to be an American but this is Bull-pucky what is going on in some states.
    Keith Japan



  9. Melvin Waldron
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    6/3/2012 12:06 AM
    I heard that a 91 year old WWII vet that fought in the Battle of the Bulge was purged from the voter registration in Florida. Keith is correct in my opinion, what Florida is trying to do is play politics for the presidential election, under the disguise of worrying about voter fraud.

    Most of these new laws have been brought forward from Republicans, why is my question. Keith has done research to show that voter fraud cases have been minimal at best.

    Dennis, there have been no increases in funding of education in Missouri so I don't know what you are getting at there. Why are we cutting education when that is what helps produce the next generation of scientist, engineers, entrepreneurs, leaders and business people?

    While Jeff makes some great points, and I could agree that we could pay the cost of getting id's for people, what do we cut while paying for it? The bigger issue in voter participation, especially for the poor is not so much id's but having places they can vote in their neighborhoods, having enough voting machines there are bigger problems with those issues then id's.

    But of course when we see what other people in other countries go through and the danger they face to vote, we as Americans should be ashamed at ourselves for not getting out to vote, and for finding ways to make it more difficult to vote. Just my opinion.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  10. Larry Allan
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    6/3/2012 4:06 AM
    Call me stupid but , you don't need to show ID to vote?
    I'm quite sure we have to up here, depending on the type of election.



  11. Clay Putnam
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    6/3/2012 6:06 AM
    Half, well maybe 80%, of the people on this forum believe you are stupid.



  12. Larry Allan
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    6/3/2012 6:06 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: Half, well maybe 80%, of the people on this forum believe you are stupid.

    I can accept that, but extremely hurt, none the less



  13. Robert Crockett
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    6/3/2012 11:06 AM
    Ineptocracy

    (in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. syn- socialism.



  14. Melvin Waldron
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    6/3/2012 12:06 PM
    Robert Crockett said: Ineptocracy

    (in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. syn- socialism.


    Robert, what does that have to do with voter id? If anything the next thing if were not careful is, we will reintroduce a poll tax or something similar from the Jim Crow era. I find it ironic that it's the Republicans leading this campaign yet they are the same ones that want smaller government.

    I can get what a lot of everyone is saying, it should be easy and IF the states are willing to make id's free for everyone then I have less of an issue with it. We find it hard to see how difficult it might be for some to even get the id's because it is so easy for us. The question is how do we pay for the free id's and what's getting cut. As I said before in our state the cost is going to be $7 million, I have a hard time justify that when cuts are going on to education, both local school systems and our upper education budgets. I know 7 million dollars wouldn't go that far when spread out among all the students but, any little helps.

    The biggest problem is probably the antiquated voter registration logs and information throughout the states because they haven't taken advantage of technology because we don't have the funds to get everybody switched over to the same systems.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  15. Steven Kurta
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    6/3/2012 12:06 PM
    Well, Mel, Crockett hit it right in the head. I think he says what most cons really would rather say instead of dancing around it like they do. He reminds me of a person with Tourette's syndrome but instead of blurting out swear words he uses his political bias. It's like a lie detector. :)


    But to talk honestly, we're talking about poor people here -- like they matter? duh.



  16. Robert Crockett
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    6/3/2012 2:06 PM
    Steven Kurta said: Well, Mel, Crockett hit it right in the head. I think he says what most cons really would rather say instead of dancing around it like they do. He reminds me of a person with Tourette's syndrome but instead of blurting out swear words he uses his political bias. It's like a lie detector. :)


    But to talk honestly, we're talking about poor people here -- like they matter? duh.

    LMAO Steve@#&%..........God I can it take man ..Really..that was Great!!....still..*&%^$# LMAO...That was a good one LMAO Hope they don't delete my post....%$##@$



  17. Robert Crockett
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    6/3/2012 4:06 PM
    Steven Kurta said: Well, Mel, Crockett hit it right in the head. I think he says what most cons really would rather say instead of dancing around it like they do. He reminds me of a person with Tourette's syndrome but instead of blurting out swear words he uses his political bias. It's like a lie detector. :)


    But to talk honestly, we're talking about poor people here -- like they matter? duh.

    I'm poor Steve...do I Matter? or am I conning you? and tourettes doesn't have an apostrophe. I swear Steve....of course that would have to by GOD ..My GOD...I guess...I think your awesome...Body..Soul and Mind...You can cut me down allllllllllllllllll you want:)



  18. Robert Crockett
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    6/3/2012 7:06 PM
    Steven Kurta said: Well, Mel, Crockett hit it right in the head. I think he says what most cons really would rather say instead of dancing around it like they do. He reminds me of a person with Tourette's syndrome but instead of blurting out swear words he uses his political bias. It's like a lie detector. :)


    But to talk honestly, we're talking about poor people here -- like they matter? duh.

    Also Steve ...thanks to the 3rd party reference.....good gosh Man:)



  19. Clay Putnam
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    6/4/2012 7:06 AM
    Larry Allan said:
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: Half, well maybe 80%, of the people on this forum believe you are stupid.

    I can accept that, but extremely hurt, none the less


    I'm sorry. That was quite insensitive of me. 60%.



  20. Sandy Clark
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    6/4/2012 10:06 AM
    In answer to Larry's question, almost no polling place in the U.S. will require you to show an ID. In fact, many polling places act like you are a nuisance if you insist on showing one. Voter fraud is not big in the statistical area because it simply isn't being investigated. Nobody knows how prevalent it may be. As an example, my youngest son moved out several years ago and shamefully has not re-registered in his new location. We receive his ballot information. If I were unethical, I could easily vote for him. California and Nevada are both suspected to be heavily influenced by non citizen voting. Nixon lost to Kennedy because dead people voted in Illinois. If every state were to update and verify their voting rolls and require proper ID like very other country in the world, we will benefit as a country. I also agree that is is disgusting to know that roughly 50% of eligible actually vote. Lets hope the 48 to 50% that don't vote are the very stupid and not smart enough to draw a reasonable conclusion on candidates of any party! It is a problem in spite of very little coverage. Those that get incorrectly displaced should always be able to easily get it corrected.



  21. Larry Allan
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    6/4/2012 1:06 PM
    I think you will find that voter turnout is similar in democracies around the world 40-60 percent. I heard somewhere that Australians are required by law to vote, but I'm not sure



  22. Keith Pegg
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    6/4/2012 6:06 PM
    Voteing world wide: we are low turnout

    Keith :shock:



  23. Dennis Cook
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    6/5/2012 8:06 AM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: I heard that a 91 year old WWII vet that fought in the Battle of the Bulge was purged from the voter registration in Florida. Keith is correct in my opinion, what Florida is trying to do is play politics for the presidential election, under the disguise of worrying about voter fraud.

    Most of these new laws have been brought forward from Republicans, why is my question. Keith has done research to show that voter fraud cases have been minimal at best.

    Dennis, there have been no increases in funding of education in Missouri so I don't know what you are getting at there. Why are we cutting education when that is what helps produce the next generation of scientist, engineers, entrepreneurs, leaders and business people?

    While Jeff makes some great points, and I could agree that we could pay the cost of getting id's for people, what do we cut while paying for it? The bigger issue in voter participation, especially for the poor is not so much id's but having places they can vote in their neighborhoods, having enough voting machines there are bigger problems with those issues then id's.

    But of course when we see what other people in other countries go through and the danger they face to vote, we as Americans should be ashamed at ourselves for not getting out to vote, and for finding ways to make it more difficult to vote. Just my opinion.

    Mel


    I went and looked up your Missouri budget and low and behold there were no cuts to the Foundation Formula, which funds K-12 schools, but they have run flat funding for the last two years, which to a lib is a cut. its not a cut unless funding goes down. But school bus transportation funding went up by 21%, which in most states is part of their education budget. Funding was cut to fund higher education, which is fine because its over priced anyway and colleges need to be weened off the teet anyway.



  24. Melvin Waldron
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    6/5/2012 10:06 AM
    Dennis the foundation formula from what I understand has been the problem, for some schools as has been reported they are getting cuts because of changes either made to the formula or determinations to what formulas get assigned to what schools.

    As for higher education, so then you jack up the tuition rates and students end up higher in debt and take longer to pay off? I can agree that schools probably need to look at what they are spending money on and prioritize it. Of course that could really affect many athletic departments and the like. Might hurt research as well, and it would be nice to have unbiased research. But we should watch that we don't cut where it hurts the education of the student.

    But I guess the point I was trying to make, while it might be important to identify the voter, wouldn't education funding be a higher priority? Just my opinion.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  25. McCallum David K
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    6/5/2012 2:06 PM
    Sandy you must not have read my post...........in over 40 years of voting I have NEVER voted, no matter how minor the election without producing a photo ID. In Louisiana its a MUST TO VOTE. In my precinct I have not idea the percentage of race but would guess it to be 60/40 white to minority. I seldom see a minority voting and I mean on any thing except the 2008 presidential election. I vote on my way to work in the mornings, at 6:00 when the polls open. That election was the first time in over 10 years I was not the first person to vote. The polls workers made a big deal of it when i finally got to the books to show ID and sign the voting register. Lots and lots of minorities voting that morning..............ALL HAD TO PRODUCE PHOTO ID and it did not seem to be a problem.

    Mel the further south you move the more you find fraudulent voting occurring in my opinion.....as they say in Louisiana....vote early.....vote often and it happens more than one might think.



  26. Dennis Cook
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    6/6/2012 2:06 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: Dennis the foundation formula from what I understand has been the problem, for some schools as has been reported they are getting cuts because of changes either made to the formula or determinations to what formulas get assigned to what schools.

    As for higher education, so then you jack up the tuition rates and students end up higher in debt and take longer to pay off? I can agree that schools probably need to look at what they are spending money on and prioritize it. Of course that could really affect many athletic departments and the like. Might hurt research as well, and it would be nice to have unbiased research. But we should watch that we don't cut where it hurts the education of the student.

    But I guess the point I was trying to make, while it might be important to identify the voter, wouldn't education funding be a higher priority? Just my opinion.

    Mel


    Mel,

    College professors are way over paid. I know several that teach two classes a day, get the whole summer off and make $150K a year with killer benefits. No one goes after big education when they charge an astronomical amount of money for the student to attend there so everyone that works there can live high on the hog. But boy they sure do when it comes to big oil, or big pharma, or wall street. But since the professors are libs and carry the weight for the democratic party endoctrinating our kids, you guys will never scream at big education.



  27. Melvin Waldron
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    6/7/2012 3:06 PM
    Dennis Cook said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: Dennis the foundation formula from what I understand has been the problem, for some schools as has been reported they are getting cuts because of changes either made to the formula or determinations to what formulas get assigned to what schools.

    As for higher education, so then you jack up the tuition rates and students end up higher in debt and take longer to pay off? I can agree that schools probably need to look at what they are spending money on and prioritize it. Of course that could really affect many athletic departments and the like. Might hurt research as well, and it would be nice to have unbiased research. But we should watch that we don't cut where it hurts the education of the student.

    But I guess the point I was trying to make, while it might be important to identify the voter, wouldn't education funding be a higher priority? Just my opinion.

    Mel


    Mel,

    College professors are way over paid. I know several that teach two classes a day, get the whole summer off and make $150K a year with killer benefits. No one goes after big education when they charge an astronomical amount of money for the student to attend there so everyone that works there can live high on the hog. But boy they sure do when it comes to big oil, or big pharma, or wall street. But since the professors are libs and carry the weight for the democratic party endoctrinating our kids, you guys will never scream at big education.


    Dennis that is your opinion. although that is pretty good money, but to become a college professor takes a lot of time and money, so maybe $150,000 isn't so bad. I did work at a small university at one time, (8 - 10 years ago) The only one making 6 figures was the president, the basketball coach might have if you included his camp money. I don't get where you claim professors are indoctrinating our kids, if anything they teach them to think for themselves. The only thing I always joked about was that the longer one goes to college the more common sense they loose.

    As far as big oil, pharma or wall street or any business for that matter, I might think some of those CEO's make too much money, and how many have left their companies in bad shape, yet have gotten golden parachutes, big money for failing at their job. Don't see how that is any different then a college professor teaching two classes.

    By the way didn't President Obama and Gov. Romney both go to Harvard? I wonder if they might have had the same professors? My favorite line from I believe a Jon Stewart show was showing Gov. Romney saying on the campaign trail that "President Obama spent to much time at elitist Harvard and lost touch with the American people" Only for us to be told, Gov. Romney was at Harvard for more years then the president.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  28. Dennis Cook
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    6/8/2012 6:06 AM
    Mel, all these elitist, liberal professors out there who are carrying the message for the democrat party, are all over the country. You see them all over the TV, newspapers, etc. its actually a surprise to see a conservative one.



  29. Melvin Waldron
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    7/8/2012 4:07 PM
    Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 Votes - by Mike Baker AP

    When Edward and Mary Weidenbener went to vote in Indiana's primary in May, they didn't realize that state law required them to bring government photo IDs such as a driver's license or passport.

    The husband and wife, both approaching 90 years old, had to use a temporary ballot that would be verified later, even though they knew the people working the polling site that day. Unaware that Indiana law obligated them to follow up with the county election board, the Weidenbeners ultimately had their votes rejected — news to them until informed recently by an Associated Press reporter.

    Edward Weidenbener, a World War II veteran who had voted for Mitt Romney in the Republican presidential contest, said he was surprised by the rules and the consequences.

    "A lot of people don't have a photo ID. They'll be automatically disenfranchised," he said.

    As more states put in place strict voter ID rules, an AP review of temporary ballots from Indiana and Georgia, which first adopted the most stringent standards, found that more than 1,200 such votes were tossed during the 2008 general election.

    During sparsely attended primaries this year in Georgia, Indiana and Tennessee, the states implementing the toughest laws, hundreds more ballots were blocked.

    The numbers suggest that the legitimate votes rejected by the laws are far more numerous than are the cases of fraud that advocates of the rules say they are trying to prevent. Thousands more votes could be in jeopardy for this November, when more states with larger populations are looking to have similar rules in place.

    More than two dozen states have some form of ID requirement, and 11 of those passed new rules over the past two years largely at the urging of Republicans who say they want to prevent fraud.

    Democrats and voting rights groups fear that ID laws could suppress votes among people who may not typically have a driver's license, and disproportionately affect the elderly, poor and minorities. While the number of votes is a small percentage of the overall total, they have the potential to sway a close election. Remember that the 2000 presidential race was decided by a 537-vote margin in Florida.

    A Republican leader in Pennsylvania said recently that the state's new ID law would allow Romney to win the state over President Barack Obama.

    Supporters of the laws cite anecdotal cases of fraud as a reason that states need to do more to secure elections, but fraud appears to be rare. As part of its effort to build support for voter ID laws, the Republican National Lawyers Association last year published a report that identified some 400 election fraud prosecutions over a decade across the entire country. That's not even one per state per year.

    ID laws would not have prevented many of those cases because they involved vote-buying schemes in local elections or people who falsified voter registrations.

    Election administrators and academics who monitor the issue said in-person fraud is rare because someone would have to impersonate a registered voter and risk arrest. A 2008 Supreme Court case drew detailed briefs from the federal government, 10 states and other groups that identified only nine potential impersonation cases over the span of several years, according to a tally by the Brennan Center at New York University.

    Michael Thielen, executive director of the Republican lawyers group, said its survey was not comprehensive and he believes vote fraud is a serious problem.

    "Most of it goes unreported and unprosecuted," he said.

    Several election administrators, even those who support ID laws as a barrier to potential fraud, said the rejected ballots in their counties appeared to be legitimate voters who simply did not fulfill their ID obligations.

    Donna Sharp, the administrator of elections in Hawkins County, Tenn., said she saw no signs of fraud. Of the seven people who cast absentee ballots, six didn't come in to confirm their identity. Sharp knew one of them personally.

    But Sharp said she supports the ID law despite initial concerns. She said most people were aware of the requirement and able to provide their identification, and she thought the rules provided an extra layer of security.

    "We want to protect those voters who do need their vote to count — the people who are doing things in an honest manner," Sharp said.

    Some administrators speculated that voters who didn't return to verify their identity may have deduced that the ballot wouldn't alter the outcome of the election.

    Indiana, Georgia and Tennessee require that voters provide a photo ID at the polls. Failing that, voters can use a temporary ballot that can be verified later, when they must meet with local elections administrators to sort out the matter.

    Pennsylvania is putting a similar law in place for the November election. Kansas has comparable rules. Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas and Wisconsin are moving in that direction of having rules set for this year if they survive court challenges and federal approval.

    Virginia had a rule allowing voters without proper ID to sign an identity statement; a false claim could make them subject to felony punishment. Under a new law awaiting final approval from the Justice Department, voters who do not bring proper ID, which doesn't necessarily have to have a photo, must use a temporary ballot and later provide ID to the local election board.

    Georgia had 873 rejected temporary ballots due to ID from the 2008 general election while only about 300 ID temporary ballots were counted. The state also had 64 ID-related temporary ballots tossed in the presidential primary this year.

    Indiana counties that maintained information from the 2008 election reported having hundreds of ballots tossed, and more than 100 more were rejected in the primary this year. The numbers can vary greatly depending on the election: Tippecanoe County, for example, had no ID-related temporary ballots excluded in the primary vote this year compared with 47 in the 2008 general election.

    Tennessee had 154 blocked ballots in its March primary.

    Keesha Gaskins, a senior counsel at the Brennan Center who has opposed voter ID laws, said she believes the numbers are significant and also underestimate the impact of voter ID laws. She said those numbers don't take into account people who were discouraged from showing up to vote in the first place or who may be turned away by poll workers. Even voters in states with less-strict ID laws may not get the proper explanation about how the process works without ID.

    Beyond that, Gaskin said, rejecting even hundreds of ballots in an election is significant.

    "These are still people who attempted to vote and who were unable to do so," Gaskins said. "When you compare that to the actual evidence of fraud, the difference is exponential."

    I know it won't change any of your all's minds, but I guess it didn't just affect those poor democrats.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  30. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    7/9/2012 6:07 AM
    I read the same article Mel. The ID was not supposed to apply only to one, but to all parties. I am still at a loss that anyone thinks its unfair to prove who you are in voting in this country. On the front page of my local paper today, was a post card mailed to everyone in the state of Mississippi from the registar of voters allowing them to receive a FREE photo ID from the state to allow everyone the priviledge to vote. Do not see the problem with that. The same groups that load up busloads and van loads of folks to take them to the polls to vote can take them to get their free photo ID.



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