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  1. Curtis Nickerson
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    1/20/2012 8:01 AM
    In the past 4 weeks I have had 6 request for comped golf. All these guys called the golf shop, made a tee time then mentioned that they are GCSAA members.... I thought it was customary to contact the course supt before booking, or at the very least have his pro call ours? Its our busy season and they are looking for early morning tee times I have a hard time justifiy blocking of prime tee times for free? Am i being a jerk about this?



  2. David Brandenburg
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    1/20/2012 8:01 AM
    I agree that I expect the guest to contact the superintendent first. If the pro is calling we let it go but if the superintendent calls the golf shop they tell them to contact me out of courtesy.

    If they just show up at the counter we let them play but they are told it is customary to contact the superintendent before they come if they want to be comped.



  3. Mark Van Lienden
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    1/20/2012 8:01 AM
    I don't feel like you are being a jerk.I always thought you were suppose to notify the course superintendent first weather you were paying or comped.I am really suprised and disappointed to think that courtesy has been skipped.



  4. Keith Lamb
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    1/20/2012 8:01 AM
    I always let the Superintendent know I will be playing his course ahead of time whether paying, tournament, whatever. I will have our Head Pro/GM call another course to set up something if he has contacts there first.



  5. Wahlin Scott B
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    1/20/2012 8:01 AM
    I am rarely asked, but have never had anyone show up and expect to be comped with their GCSAA Card. We are a municipal course and the mayor pays. I would say NO you are not being a jerk.



  6. Clay Putnam
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    1/20/2012 9:01 AM
    Curtis Nickerson said: In the past 4 weeks I have had 6 request for comped golf. All these guys called the golf shop, made a tee time then mentioned that they are GCSAA members.... I thought it was customary to contact the course supt before booking, or at the very least have his pro call ours? Its our busy season and they are looking for early morning tee times I have a hard time justifiy blocking of prime tee times for free? Am i being a jerk about this?


    No, you're not being a jerk. Golf is in a tough place right now and course owners need revenue anywhere they can find it. Personally, I would make it policy that a comped or reduced-fee round cannot take the place of a full price round. Meaning the comped or reduced-fee round cannot make a tee time during prime hours. And, any comped round would have to play on "stand-by". Meaning the comped round is scheduled for 1:00 PM and the super must allow any full-price-player who happens to walk up at 1:00 PM to tee off ahead of the super. The super must then wait to tee off until an opening comes available. That opening could be at 1:10 PM or 3:10 PM; just depends on the number of late full-price arrivals.



  7. James Gray
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    1/20/2012 9:01 AM
    in this day and age i think all you can expect is a courtesy email a week ahead of time. I usually call ahead to the golf shop when i am planning tee times in advance and politely ask if they have a policy on gcsaa members/supts. They either do or don't and I don't base my golfing on where I can play for free. Also if i do get a discount i usually average it out over all players in my group, as well as always purchase something from the golf shop to show my appreciation.



  8. McCallum David K
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    1/20/2012 9:01 AM
    Protocol is to call ahead and speak with the superintendent, not the golf shop. The only time I do not is when I plan on paying for golf. I go on an annual trip with some members and golf is included in the entire travel package and I pay the same as everyone else. If expecting free golf, call the superintendent that simple.



  9. Steven Huffstutler
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    1/20/2012 12:01 PM
    The only club that I know of that doesn't require prior notification by the Super is World Woods and he just does it because he doesn't have time to field all of the requests, especially when the National is in Orlando. You should insist that you be asked to provide the tee time and let the pro shop know that they are not to comp any GCSAA members without the request being routed through you. It's not a matter of being a jerk, it's a matter of simple courtesy and it's not fair for a comped round to take the place of a members round or a paid public round.

    Just my opinion, but I am usually right.

    s



  10. Andy Jorgensen
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    1/20/2012 12:01 PM
    In 6 years here, I've had one guy just walk in and pull out his card. The golf shop contacted me before they decided what to do. I can't remember, but I think I comped him. He was playing with three paying guests, so I wasn't about to turn away three green fees because of one comped round.

    Other than that guy, everyone calls me. I don't like giving away prime spots, but will offer to work them in during our slow times at a comped or reduced rate. I had to put a stop to one Superintendent that wanted to be comped weekly. Once, twice - okay. But c'mon man, if you want to be treated like a member, than you need to pay like a member....

    I very rarely will call another Superintendent to get comped golf. If I know the guy, I will call and let him know I'm coming, but don't expect anything of it. If I don't know the guy, I'll pay just like everyone else, then send a follow up email about great course conditions, etc....

    Steve - having worked at Wally World, I know how much of a stickler they are about comped rounds. At the time I was there, they were working to reduce the comps since a big portion of the play at the time was non-paying. Hard to survive in those climates. Jimbo is a good buddy of mine, and I have no doubt he would bend over backwards to fulfill a request. But, like you said, sometimes we just don't have the time to arrange tee times, etc...



  11. Curtis Nickerson
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    1/20/2012 1:01 PM
    Today's request was from 4 guys up north...they called the pro shop booked the tee time, then asked about the GCSAA comp. They gave the guy my number and he left a voicemail stating "we have done this for years here" (no one recalls this and the pro shop staff is long tenured)... and that he was leaving at 1 to fly down here and to let him know if he should go elsewhere. I still have a problem even with the way this was handled. Why not ask to speak to the supt. before booking the tee time. Thatreally is my issue, booking and dropping GCSAA before reaching out the the supt. Andy if it was 1 comped and 3 pay no problem..but all 4 comped during peak times=problem.? The other 2, from 2 weeks ago are kinda the same deal, from the same state matter fact (not sure it isn't the same folks really) wanted 2 comps peak time...
    I have no issue comping after 11 when our play and rates drop, or if it is a a single comp with a group but this seems like a lot.



  12. Steven Huffstutler
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    1/20/2012 2:01 PM
    Tell them to move on. Last time I played WW, I called Jimbo and he said just to call the proshop. It was for a round in February during the Nationals and I am sure he was swamped with phone calls. We paid a $40 cart fee and it was a helluva deal for one of the great courses in the country. I'm not surprised they are cutting back on those rounds, I think half of the rounds that day were Superintendents.

    Regards,

    Steve



  13. Melvin Waldron
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    1/20/2012 2:01 PM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Tell them to move on. Last time I played WW, I called Jimbo and he said just to call the proshop. It was for a round in February during the Nationals and I am sure he was swamped with phone calls. We paid a $40 cart fee and it was a helluva deal for one of the great courses in the country. I'm not surprised they are cutting back on those rounds, I think half of the rounds that day were Superintendents.

    Regards,

    Steve


    Steve, They were probably happy because they knew you guys would fix your ballmarks.

    I'm more wishy washy probably then Steve, because (and it might depend on your tee time booking policy) if they called in the normal time frame and was able to book the time, I would let them slide, and I would inform the group that if in the future they would like to book a time, in order to get comped, they need to contact you and then these are the times that are available for a comped round.

    I would also work with your pro shop staff to develop a policy and I think if you have clear and established guidelines it makes it easier on everyone. If a GCSAA member or even state chapter/or superintendent asking about comped, they are directed to the course super. If PGA member, they have to contact the PGA member at the course. These people would then set-up an available tee time. If you normally take tee times 7 days in advance, maybe comped rounds can't be given until 3 days in advanced or during a set time frame that tends to be your slow time. Also maybe it can be discussed, is it greens fees only, pay for cart? Whatever you do make sure it's consistent.

    When I worked at a county facility in NJ, PGA and GCSAA members could play comped, they would get a form to fill out to list their name, facility and member number (this form was for our cash drawer to make sure our player count matched bag tags and revenue or lack of, even us employees had tickets for our comp rounds). They could play when the first available tee time was, (usually 3 hours on the stand by board). Now if they contacted us in advance before our computerized tee time system started taking times, (7 days) we could contact our golf office and set up a time for them or if after they could try and find a time for us. (I don't think we ever did that, no one wanted to play our courses when there were other places they could go).

    Here at our city course they will comp rounds, and it is pretty loose, specially for the front house people. When it comes to us on maintenance and we want to visit one of our other city courses, even I go to our pro shop and ask them to get a time for me, never know who is working and if a manager isn't there it's a head ache.

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  14. Sandy Clark
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    1/20/2012 2:01 PM
    We have become very tight on comps. The tribe doesn't even play for free so obviously, we need to be discreet. If you are PGA or GCSAA Class A, you can get comped Monday through Thursday during twilight, if you contacted me! If you didn't do it through me the answer will be no. We are more prone to fully comp local supts and charge a cart fee for those of you from out of town. Don't expect prime time, weekends or holidays, it won't happen. We all have to handle requests according to the business environment we work in. I fully agree with all of you that have strict guidelines. I know when the conference is in your area, you can expect a large number of calls. Next year, with the show in San Diego and with having an outside chance of being a tournament course, I don't think you can expect us to give out too many comps. If we are not in the rotation we will probably be a little more lenient.



  15. Clay Putnam
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    1/20/2012 4:01 PM
    Curtis Nickerson said: Today's request was from 4 guys up north...they called the pro shop booked the tee time, then asked about the GCSAA comp. They gave the guy my number and he left a voicemail stating "we have done this for years here" (no one recalls this and the pro shop staff is long tenured)... and that he was leaving at 1 to fly down here and to let him know if he should go elsewhere. I still have a problem even with the way this was handled. Why not ask to speak to the supt. before booking the tee time. Thatreally is my issue, booking and dropping GCSAA before reaching out the the supt. Andy if it was 1 comped and 3 pay no problem..but all 4 comped during peak times=problem.? The other 2, from 2 weeks ago are kinda the same deal, from the same state matter fact (not sure it isn't the same folks really) wanted 2 comps peak time...
    I have no issue comping after 11 when our play and rates drop, or if it is a a single comp with a group but this seems like a lot.


    Book them a 3:00 afternoon tee time and tell them to pay a cart fee or tell them to look elsewhere.



  16. Melvin Waldron
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    1/20/2012 4:01 PM
    Good thoughts Sandy,

    Unless someone gets hooked up with the Capt. He probably will get his comps if any from his indoor games?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  17. Peter Bowman
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    1/20/2012 5:01 PM
    I came in from my morning rounds on the golf course one Thursday morning many years ago and had a message on my answering machine from a GC Super whose name I knew, although we had never met. The message was that he had already called the Pro Shop and booked a foursome for that Sunday morning at 9:30 AM, and he "was wondering if there was anything I could do for him." Translation: "Pete, I already booked the time. I'd like to get comped now."

    At the time we were 100 bucks plus a cart on weekends. The Pro said they could come any weekday, almost any time of day, and we would comp the whole thing. If they want to play on a weekend - especially prime time - they're paying full rates. I had no problem with that policy.

    I called the Super back to let him know. His reply: "well, if we have to pay then I don't think we'll come out."

    My reply: "Good, because if you only want to come out and play if it's free, then we don't want you out here anyway. Try somewhere else." Good riddance. Cheapskate.

    None of us should ever expect to get comped, in my opinion. My advice is to only call if you can afford to pay if you get told you'll have to pay. More often then not you're comped, or maybe pay a cart fee. It's pretty bad to tell a guy you don't think you'll play when told it ain't free here today.

    So anyway, Curtis, I'd call him back and tell him he's got to pay. See what he says.



  18. Sean Hoolehan
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    1/21/2012 9:01 AM
    Being a public course I have no problem when a superintendent calls the pro shop makes a tee time, then calls me and lets me know the date and time he would like the comp. That makes it easier for me. I also leave it up to the pro-shop staff if some one walks in and flashes a GCSAA membership card and asks for a discount/comp. If you call me in advance I may comp you, your wife, maybe your whole party, if you do it at the counter well "not so much".

    I think it is good policy in general to comp fellow golf course employees. These are the people who make some of the best "word of mouth" referrals. Just don't ask for 8:30 Saturday morning.



  19. Melvin Waldron
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    1/21/2012 11:01 AM
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said:

    I think it is good policy in general to comp fellow golf course employees. These are the people who make some of the best "word of mouth" referrals. Just don't ask for 8:30 Saturday morning.


    I like that Sean, as I mean in employees, most of our staffs do not make much more then minimum and for them to get a chance to play somewhere else and have to pay is pretty tough. Of course I think it is good policy for the managers to make the calls and connections for them, (probably a couple of good things come out of that action).

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  20. Homme David R
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    1/21/2012 4:01 PM
    Comped golf has been heavily abused over the years, and has contributed to the institution of reduced rates and such. I'm not sure why so many think it's their right, just cause they work in the same business.

    I've never gone elsewhere without calling the superintendent. That's just rude not to. And if someone visits your property, they owe you the courtesy of a phone call.

    I had a guy play on a holiday once and seemed put out that I could not offer a rate. Had to pay full pop. Whatever.

    Dave Homme
    Falls Resort



  21. Fleegel Timothy
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    1/21/2012 11:01 PM
    Call them and tell them they have to pay. What this group is doing is rude and unprofessional. Better yet, post their names on the forums and if they ever call me I'll make them pay. We should start a list like stores do when they won't accept checks from people.



  22. Zachary Wignall
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    1/23/2012 7:01 AM
    cmon guys, this is a perk of the industry. as long as you call the sup ahead of time their should be no probs.



  23. Keith Lamb
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    1/23/2012 7:01 AM
    Zach,
    If you are willing to give up a $85 round then that is your prerogative. Giving away golf is not a guaranteed "perk of the industry." It is a courtesy that if you receive it you should be grateful and thankful to get. If you go through proper channels to inform another Supt. that you are going to be playing the course that they are employed at(part of our ethics) most times they will offer you a comped, if not discounted round without you asking. I know I will. To expect it is just plain arrogant. Even my employees have to pay ($7) to play this course. I wish it was free, but I do not own this course.



  24. Clay Putnam
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    1/23/2012 8:01 AM
    Zachary Wignall said: cmon guys, this is a perk of the industry. as long as you call the sup ahead of time their should be no probs.


    Time to wipe off that green growth from behind your ears Zac. Free golf may be a perk provided by your employer but the rest of the golf world is not your employer. Nor do the rest of us owe you or any other golf industry professional a thing. There are times we are happy to extend a favor or privilege, but we owe you nothing. To think otherwise is arrogant and presumptuous.



  25. Zachary Wignall
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    1/23/2012 9:01 AM
    ok..if you guys wanna come play.. just call ahead,well hook ya up ant\ytime



  26. Fleegel Timothy
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    1/23/2012 10:01 AM
    I'll take care of you too. If you call ahead, are polite, don't act like you expect it(even if you do), and you don't want more than 1 person taken care of on a full morning.



  27. Brent Venenga
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    1/25/2012 11:01 AM
    We have a policy in the clubhouse that other Superintendents need to talk to me first before being comped end of discussion, if they haven't talked to me "no free golf". We once had two employees from a local course wanting to get comped and they were asked if they had talked to me and the Pro wanted to see their GCSAA cards. They said they had forgotten them and left the course. I'd previously worked at their course and called my former boss to let them know what had happened he was extremely embarrassed and said it wouldn't happen again. The abuse of trying to get comped golf is way to high in our industry.



  28. Kevin Girt
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    1/25/2012 11:01 AM
    Here is a thought-- If you have the time to go and play some golf at another club, how about calling the supt and ask him or her if they would like to possibly take the time to play with you. By doing so could break through the riff that's starting to form by the not so conscientious supts out there just looking for comped rounds. That would be my practice if i ever had the time to practice it.



  29. McCallum David K
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    1/25/2012 12:01 PM
    A follow up thank you call or card is always good after being comped....good manners are always in style.



  30. Timothy Kelley
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    1/25/2012 12:01 PM
    I'm more worried about how many rounds the pro or GM are comping instead of others supers getting comped from me. I've seen many pros, asst. pros, and friends of the GM on the course and know the rounds were comped. I know times are tough for everybody but we do need to take care of our own.



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