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So Gov. Romney wants to get rid of the EPA? Why?

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  1. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    5/31/2012 9:05 PM
    Oil stats belie complaints about EPA


    By Ramit Plushnick-Masti

    Associated Press

    WASHINGTON — In the three years since Presi­dent Barack Obama took office, Republicans have made the Environmental Protection Agency a light­ning rod for complaints that his administration has been too tough on oil and gas producers.

    But an Associated Press analysis of enforce­ment data over the past decade finds that's not the case. In fact, the EPA went after producers more of­ten in the years of Repub­lican President George W. Bush, a former Texas oil­man, than under Obama.

    The agency's enforce­ment actions have de­clined since 2002 and reached their lowest point last year, the review found.

    Accusations of EPA overzealousness peaked in April. That's when a re­gional administrator re­signed after a two-year-old video surfaced in which he compared enforcement of oil and gas regulations with how the Romans used to conquer villages, by finding "the first five guys they saw and they'd cruc­ify them." GOP critics publicized the video of Al Armendariz, who headed the region that includes Texas and other major oil­and gas-producing states, as an example of an agen­cy that Republican presi­dential contender Mitt Romney calls "completely out of control."

    "We have a genuine concern that his com­ments reflect the agency's overall enforcement phi­losophy," six Republican congressmen from Texas, Oklahoma, and Louisiana said in a joint statement the day Armendariz stepped down.

    Romney has expressed distaste for the EPA's tac­tics. The agency, he said, "is a tool in the hands of the president to crush the pri­vate enterprise system, to crush our ability to — to have energy, whether it's oil, gas, coal, nuclear."

    The U.S. produced more oil in 2010 than it has since 2003, and all forms of energy production have increased under Obama.

    Armendariz's territory, which also includes Ar­kansas, Louisiana, New Mexico and Oklahoma, has more oil and gas wells than any of EPA's nine other re­gions. The number of en­forcement cases against companies working those wells has been lower every year under Obama than any year under Bush.

    That trend extends to the rest of the country, where the number of en­forcement actions against oil and gas producers dropped by 61 percent over the past decade. The decline came despite an in­crease in the number of producing wells and de­spite the EPA's listing of energy extraction as an enforcement priority un­der Obama. This year, the administration has filed 51 formal enforcement cases against energy producers. While there has been an uptick in the average fine against companies pro­ducing oil and gas since 2007, when the penalty reached a low in the dec­ade evaluated by the AP, the average is still lower than during some years under Bush, who was viewed as sympathetic to the oil and gas industry.

    EPA officials said the lower enforcement num­bers reflect a strategy that focuses on the violations that pose the most signifi­cant risks to human health and the environment.

    Sorry for a cut and paste but according to this AP article, all the cries about President Obama, and EPA being job killers and such, here this article seems to show that in my opinion President Obama isn't quite the evil person against the oil industry it is claimed to be. It seems to show what the republicans wanted espiecially on oil production is occuring, maybe President Obama's problem will come from the left, he seems to be right in the middle on a lot of issues. Wonder what your take on it is?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  2. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    5/31/2012 9:05 PM
    Ask him.



  3. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    6/1/2012 7:06 AM
    Maybe there is less enforcement because maybe the oil companies are not as evil as everyone thinks they are. Maybe they are just doing things right. With the number of wells, rigs and pipelines in this country, we dont have many accidents and thats a testiment to how the oil companies do things. Occasionally accidents happen and the lefties are always there to jump on it and advance their agenda. So kudos to those companies for doing a good job.

    So Mel, what about American Electric Power company having to close 5 coal fired power plants at a cost of 600 jobs because Obama wants the EPA to regulate coal plants out of business? Im sure Scott can post that video of Obama talking about energy prices skyrocketing under his plan and that he will bankrupt the coal business. What about the EPA regulating greenhouse gases when there is actually science to refute the global warming argument?

    In my home town we have a 410 foot car ferry that crosses Lake Michigan twice a day. Its a steam ship and is even listed as a historical landmark as the last steamship running on the great lakes and the last steam operated ferry boat. The EPA said they can no longer operate after 2012, unless they change there power plant to diesel or something else. Even though the company has proven through outside labs that their emissions are not considered pollutants, the EPA doesnt care because it burns coal to power its steam engine. The company has aked for an extension in order to research a natural gas power plant (which would be the the cleanest form of energy that could be utilized), so they can still be a steam ship. They would be the cleanest, greenest steamship in existence. This would cost them millions of dollars to do, so the company wants to have all the info and engineering done before they spend the money. The EPA denied there request and said they will have to shut down. This ship has been crossing since 1952 and our beaches and water are pristine and our fishing is the best its ever been. So obviously the ship is not having any impact on the lake, but the EPA still has to be heavy handed and flex their muscle. Many people will be put out of work and this will devistate our local economy along with Manitowoc, Wisconsin.

    So before you go talking about how great Obama and the EPA is, make sure you know whats actually going on, instead of just believing a story that someone writes thats obviously one sided to make the president look good. The EPA is out of control and needs to be dismissed. We have many other govt agencies that can enforce the laws that are on the books to make sure people are in compliance



  4. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    6/1/2012 9:06 PM
    Dennis Cook said: Maybe there is less enforcement because maybe the oil companies are not as evil as everyone thinks they are. Maybe they are just doing things right. With the number of wells, rigs and pipelines in this country, we dont have many accidents and thats a testiment to how the oil companies do things. Occasionally accidents happen and the lefties are always there to jump on it and advance their agenda. So kudos to those companies for doing a good job.

    So Mel, what about American Electric Power company having to close 5 coal fired power plants at a cost of 600 jobs because Obama wants the EPA to regulate coal plants out of business? Im sure Scott can post that video of Obama talking about energy prices skyrocketing under his plan and that he will bankrupt the coal business. What about the EPA regulating greenhouse gases when there is actually science to refute the global warming argument?

    In my home town we have a 410 foot car ferry that crosses Lake Michigan twice a day. Its a steam ship and is even listed as a historical landmark as the last steamship running on the great lakes and the last steam operated ferry boat. The EPA said they can no longer operate after 2012, unless they change there power plant to diesel or something else. Even though the company has proven through outside labs that their emissions are not considered pollutants, the EPA doesnt care because it burns coal to power its steam engine. The company has aked for an extension in order to research a natural gas power plant (which would be the the cleanest form of energy that could be utilized), so they can still be a steam ship. They would be the cleanest, greenest steamship in existence. This would cost them millions of dollars to do, so the company wants to have all the info and engineering done before they spend the money. The EPA denied there request and said they will have to shut down. This ship has been crossing since 1952 and our beaches and water are pristine and our fishing is the best its ever been. So obviously the ship is not having any impact on the lake, but the EPA still has to be heavy handed and flex their muscle. Many people will be put out of work and this will devistate our local economy along with Manitowoc, Wisconsin.

    So before you go talking about how great Obama and the EPA is, make sure you know whats actually going on, instead of just believing a story that someone writes thats obviously one sided to make the president look good. The EPA is out of control and needs to be dismissed. We have many other govt agencies that can enforce the laws that are on the books to make sure people are in compliance


    Dennis, check the link about American Electric Power's plant closings. In the article it mentions the TVA is happy to comply with the EPA because it will allow them to update their plants being more efficient. According to the article APE had planned to close those plants before the EPA rules were disclosed. I am all for working with the power companies to allow them to clean up their emissions from the plants, if there is a need to extend the time, I would encourage the EPA to work with plants, but what I'm afraid of is, these plants will drag their feet until they get a different party in power, someone who would roll back the rules. We don't need to be going back to the 60's and 70's in air quality.

    http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/ ... trick.html

    I haven't looked up the ferry boat issue, but it being a historical ship, I would like to see the EPA work harder with them on that issue.

    As for the oil companies I didn't call them evil. I will give them credit that they may be working hard to avoid accidents and pollution, of course having seen what it cost BP in money and credibility, might that be incentive enough to do the right things? Or maybe being a good corporate neighbor is enough incentive as well? But the main thing I was hoping to point out in that article is all the complaining about President Obama and how he is hurting the oil industry by not allowing them to drill and pump and all that, is seems according to the article that what they say is not true. My opinion.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  5. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    6/2/2012 4:06 AM
    Well they still have the drilling ban in m ost coastal waters. Oil rigs have moved to other countries because they cant drill here. The production is up now because of drilling that took place under Bush



  6. Larry Allan
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    0 posts
    6/2/2012 5:06 AM
    Dennis Cook said: Well they still have the drilling ban in m ost coastal waters. Oil rigs have moved to other countries because they cant drill here. The production is up now because of drilling that took place under Bush

    Dennis, Mel presented a piece that contradicted Romney's position and did so with stats and facts.
    The guy you listen to presents opinions with a loud voice. There is a difference.
    One uses facts to present a case, the other uses volume



  7. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    6/2/2012 8:06 AM
    Larry Allan said:
    Dennis Cook said: Well they still have the drilling ban in m ost coastal waters. Oil rigs have moved to other countries because they cant drill here. The production is up now because of drilling that took place under Bush

    Dennis, Mel presented a piece that contradicted Romney's position and did so with stats and facts.
    The guy you listen to presents opinions with a loud voice. There is a difference.
    One uses facts to present a case, the other uses volume


    Yeah Lori, I said maybe the enforcement is down because oil companies are being responsible, did you get that! I also gave a fact and story about the EPA running rampant in my hometown, did you get that too Lori. None of these were on any radio show. So I presented something that backs Romneys position and you play it off as right wing mumbo jumbo. Research the Badger carferry and you will see



  8. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    6/3/2012 12:06 AM
    Dennis,

    I still haven't had time to look up the car ferry story, and I did agree with you on that issue that is sounds like the EPA isn't willing to work with the ferry, and I would encourage the EPA to do so.

    Drilling that took place under Bush? I have read in many stories how much more drilling is going on since President Obama then was going on under President Bush.

    Some areas should be banned, and I'm sure it is just as much the states then the federal government on that issue. I'm guessing (although with that new governor in Tallahassee, I wouldn't put it past him) Florida would not risk drilling due to their reliance on tourism dollars. I would guess the Carolina's would be the same, and Maryland and Virginia wouldn't want to risk tourism or their seafood industry. Now I know David will say in Louisiana they are co-existing now, but they took a hit when the oil rig exploded and spilled in the gulf as well.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

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