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BUFFALO SOLDIERS - 1866 TO 1891

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  1. Ronald Kirkman
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    10/10/2017 5:10 PM
    GREETINGS;

    African - American Soldiers played a decisive role in the U.S. Army on the western frontier during the Plaines War.

    First authorized in Congress in July 1866, they were organized into two Cavalry and four Infantry Regiments which were commanded by white officers. All were quickly nicknamed the 'Buffalo Soldiers' by their Cheyenne and Comanche enemies.

    These brave soldiers fought many native tribes over the years, including the warriors of Sitting Bull and Geronimo. These Buffalo Soldiers who, until the early 1890s, constituted 20 per cent of all active forces on duty in the American West.

    Actually, they killed NATIVE AMERICANS !!

    Move over Robert E. Lee and Christopher Columbus - we have to remove a couple of statues of the Buffalo Soldiers somewhere in the American West.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  2. Peter Bowman
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    10/10/2017 7:10 PM
    You know how lots of companies put on mandatory sensitivity training for employees? Well, I think the the NFL would do well for itself by putting on mandatory education for all the kneelers. Topic 1 would be a Buffalo Soldier history lesson. Make them pass a written test, too, if they want to play on a Sunday.



  3. Keith Lamb
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    10/11/2017 9:10 AM
    Buffalo soldiers were commanded by white generals. They were only allowed to serve west of the Mississippi because nobody wanted to see armed black soldiers in their communities.



  4. Steven Huffstutler
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    10/11/2017 1:10 PM
    They wore the uniform of their country and served as they were commanded, unlike so many of the highly outraged people who now complain about the soldiers being disrespected.

    Regards,
    Steve



  5. Kevin Fateley
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    10/11/2017 2:10 PM
    There is a nice statue and park 30 miles west of me.
    Also, the Indian tribes killed each other too.



  6. Ronald Kirkman
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    42 posts
    10/11/2017 3:10 PM
    GENTLEMEN;

    You know as well as I do - the protests are against the police. The police also wear the uniform of their cities, towns, and states. They also service the citizen. No doubt there are a few racists in the departments but there are more good ones than bad ones.

    Every time the police go on a call it may be their last one.

    Most of you are veterans and I don't think any of you sit or kneel while the National Anthem is being played.

    The real point is about tearing down the statues. The Yankees and the Rebels wore the uniform of their country and also served as they were commanded. So, why tear down the statues a 160 years later. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. NATIVE AMERICANS were killed and murdered in an undeclared war. Get rid of the Buffalo Statues.

    Capt.Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  7. Steven Kurta
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    10/11/2017 4:10 PM
    Go take your pills, captain. Or ring for the nurse or whatever it is you do.



  8. Ronald Kirkman
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    10/11/2017 6:10 PM
    Mr. Kurta;

    I did not start this war - the far left did. I will do them battle for me and all others interested in helping this great nation of ours. The forum is my only outlet.

    Capt. Kirk



  9. Stephen Ravenkamp
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    10/11/2017 8:10 PM
    Wow! Did you go to the Conway school of conflation? How do you're relate Buffalo soldiers, who were acting in the service of their country, with the Confedracy, who was fighting against their country? You can argue that the Indian wars were unjust but you can't conflate the two.



  10. Steven Kurta
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    10/12/2017 5:10 AM
    Ronald Kirkman said: Mr. Kurta;

    I did not start this war - the far left did. I will do them battle for me and all others interested in helping this great nation of ours. The forum is my only outlet.

    Capt. Kirk



    I read: " The forum is my only toilet".

    Seems more accurate..



  11. Ronald Conard
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    10/12/2017 12:10 PM
    Ronald Kirkman said: Mr. Kurta;

    I did not start this war - the far left did. I will do them battle for me and all others interested in helping this great nation of ours. The forum is my only outlet.

    Capt. Kirk


    Isn't that the problem with wars though? You can go back as far as you want but you'll never find a start. The other side will always point to a prior grievance. So they'll just continue ad infinitum.



  12. Steven Kurta
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    10/13/2017 4:10 AM
    Anyone...help me understand two terms, define if you can.. Maybe Kirkman has sufficient life experience to help...I spend more time trying to find a working understanding of them.

    Help me with what " justice" means
    And take a stab at what you think "truth" is please..

    Not Merriam's offering..

    I find them both like trying to describe color to the blind.



  13. Melvin Waldron
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    10/13/2017 11:10 AM
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said: You know how lots of companies put on mandatory sensitivity training for employees? Well, I think the the NFL would do well for itself by putting on mandatory education for all the kneelers. Topic 1 would be a Buffalo Soldier history lesson. Make them pass a written test, too, if they want to play on a Sunday.


    Maybe society in general needs more sensitivity training, it can also talk about how after fighting and serving in every war, African Americans have come home to separation and hate. Don't think it occurs now? Ask GOP Senator Tim Scott, pulled over driving while black.

    http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2016/07 ... index.html

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  14. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    10/13/2017 4:10 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said: You know how lots of companies put on mandatory sensitivity training for employees? Well, I think the the NFL would do well for itself by putting on mandatory education for all the kneelers. Topic 1 would be a Buffalo Soldier history lesson. Make them pass a written test, too, if they want to play on a Sunday.


    Maybe society in general needs more sensitivity training, it can also talk about how after fighting and serving in every war, African Americans have come home to separation and hate. Don't think it occurs now? Ask GOP Senator Tim Scott, pulled over driving while black.

    http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2016/07 ... index.html

    Mel


    What a coincidence. I've been pulled over several times for trivial reasons too.



  15. Steven Huffstutler
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    10/13/2017 6:10 PM
    Interesting. Clay, did you feel like it was life and death? I have no doubt that your experience was exactly the same as a black man being randomly pulled over.



  16. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    10/14/2017 9:10 AM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Interesting. Clay, did you feel like it was life and death? I have no doubt that your experience was exactly the same as a black man being randomly pulled over.


    Steve,

    I'm a bit surprised you swallowed the hook on this topic. No doubt injustice exists - to a very small extent. But to suggest that every black person ever pulled over was so for simply the color of their skin and every white person on every street corner has separation and hate toward every returning deployed black person is simply absurd and irrational.



  17. Peter Bowman
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    10/14/2017 10:10 AM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said: You know how lots of companies put on mandatory sensitivity training for employees? Well, I think the the NFL would do well for itself by putting on mandatory education for all the kneelers. Topic 1 would be a Buffalo Soldier history lesson. Make them pass a written test, too, if they want to play on a Sunday.


    Maybe society in general needs more sensitivity training, it can also talk about how after fighting and serving in every war, African Americans have come home to separation and hate. Don't think it occurs now? Ask GOP Senator Tim Scott, pulled over driving while black.

    http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2016/07 ... index.html

    Mel


    Wow! And after all that he's still a Republican????? Obviously votes against his own self interests. Kind of like how any woman who didn't vote for Hilary must absolutely have been voting against her best interests, according to Michelle Obama.



  18. Steven Huffstutler
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    11 posts
    10/14/2017 3:10 PM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Interesting. Clay, did you feel like it was life and death? I have no doubt that your experience was exactly the same as a black man being randomly pulled over.


    Steve,

    I'm a bit surprised you swallowed the hook on this topic. No doubt injustice exists - to a very small extent. But to suggest that every black person ever pulled over was so for simply the color of their skin and every white person on every street corner has separation and hate toward every returning deployed black person is simply absurd and irrational.


    Except I never suggested that.



  19. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    10/14/2017 3:10 PM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said:
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Interesting. Clay, did you feel like it was life and death? I have no doubt that your experience was exactly the same as a black man being randomly pulled over.


    Steve,

    I'm a bit surprised you swallowed the hook on this topic. No doubt injustice exists - to a very small extent. But to suggest that every black person ever pulled over was so for simply the color of their skin and every white person on every street corner has separation and hate toward every returning deployed black person is simply absurd and irrational.


    Except I never suggested that.


    No you didn't. My apologies for not clarifying. However, let's not kid ourselves. Many do and insist upon it.



  20. Steven Huffstutler
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    11 posts
    10/14/2017 3:10 PM
    Clay, I know you to be a good person but anybody who suggests that there are not problems between the police and black people in this country isn't paying attention. I can't help but think that all of this talk about statues and buffalo soldiers is just another way for white people to pretend that they're not blowing a racist dog whistle when I can hear it from here.

    We can play the game of "Yeah but there are bad black people too" all day and yes, its true, but discrimination is real and simply denying it doesn't do any of us any good.

    People say that they are standing up for the troops and respecting history and other such nonsense if they want, but having known quit a few veterans and guys returning from war zones and having been one of those guys, I can tell you for certain that it hurts our feelings more that our country is so divided and so hateful to each other.

    This business about statues is just a bunch of BS, most of those statues were erected during Jim Crow to make sure that African Americans knew who was in charge.

    Regards,

    Steve



  21. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    10/15/2017 8:10 AM
    Steve,

    Those "games" are going to be played. It's how those on each side work. They make the issue bigger than it is. They grossly exaggerate the message. Its how they gather support. Its marketing. They cram everyone, on each side of the topic, into the same enemy box. It's divisive but they don't care as long as they can scream the loudest through the biggest megaphone and win. This leaves the vast majority wondering how the hell they've been stuffed in that enemy box.

    I've never quite understood the statues. To the victors go the spoils, right? Then how does the loser get to celebrate with statues?



  22. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    10/16/2017 12:10 PM
    Case in point regarding grossly exaggerating the issue.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/we-wanted-to-send-a-message-reenactors-stage-civil-war-battle-despite-threat/2017/10/15/77dd0348-b1c4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.5bbc7d862bae



  23. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    10/16/2017 3:10 PM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said: You know how lots of companies put on mandatory sensitivity training for employees? Well, I think the the NFL would do well for itself by putting on mandatory education for all the kneelers. Topic 1 would be a Buffalo Soldier history lesson. Make them pass a written test, too, if they want to play on a Sunday.


    Maybe society in general needs more sensitivity training, it can also talk about how after fighting and serving in every war, African Americans have come home to separation and hate. Don't think it occurs now? Ask GOP Senator Tim Scott, pulled over driving while black.

    http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2016/07 ... index.html

    Mel


    What a coincidence. I've been pulled over several times for trivial reasons too.


    I've lived here in Missouri now for almost 14 years and I haven't been pulled over once. (I will admit, as I get closer to the Capt's age, I probably don't drive as fast either) And I do know currently I do have one brake light out. But others, I guess it's another story.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/02/us/b ... souri.html

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  24. Sean Hoolehan
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    10/20/2017 11:10 AM
    Black Slavery in America was unimaginable cruelty. No form of racism, discrimination, social and cultural subjugation remotely compares to the experience of the Black Slaves in the American South. This fact was long ignored by the history taught in our schools. We received a homogenized version reinforced by the Hollywood portrayal of the happy dumb slave and the benevolent master. It was nothing like that. [u">It was unimaginable cruelty[/u"> for well over 200 years. Unfortunately it appears it will take more than 200 years for the USA to completely face this fact. There were very few saints among the founding fathers of America. There are very few saints today. We are all flawed, but flawed does not = bad.



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