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  1. Sandy Clark
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    2/21/2014 9:02 AM
    Gee, Obamacare and the minimum wage increase are going to cost jobs and now the dems are saying the information is wrong! Besides, they won't cost jobs at all since they will be providing more free time for families rather than trapping them in the productive world they used to live in! Look at all the new business that will be formed by the millions kicked to the curb and out of work! Yes, that is the answer to this criticism. People will be happier because they are not stuck working! Between all the stimulus ideas that have not worked and these ridiculous ideas, why are any of you democrats still voting for this type of economic thinking? I am not saying republicans have great answers and are not equally as political but Keynes Economic theory is bogus and your dems are killing the economy every time you turn around! American people need to wake up quickly if it isn't too late already!



  2. Corey Eastwood
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    2/21/2014 11:02 AM
    I see The Gap is raising wages to $10 minimum and not raising prices. Stimulus not working! It is working in Bankrupt Stockton with a large number of streets being re-surfaced and ten miles of I-5 being complet6ely rebuilt and widened. Federal money creating jobs. Now lets build more Dams.

    Corey Eastwood CGCS, Stockton Golf & CC, Retired

  3. Keith Fellenstein
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    2/21/2014 12:02 PM
    Teach a man to fish and he will never go hungry...give him someone elses fish and he'll vote for you



  4. Sandy Clark
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    2/21/2014 3:02 PM
    Corey, you are talking about a bankrupt city run by dems for years. You may get pot holes fixed but it won't result in any new companies moving in or real job creation. Now I can get behind you on building dams but would go one step further. since only you and I and the Captain remember the beginning of the Interstate Freeway system started by Ike in the 50's how about if we build an Interstate Canal system with canals running east and west in both the north and the south with north south canals crisscrossing them. No part of the country would ever have to flood in a devastating manner and no part would have to suffer through big droughts! That would be a nationwide benefit for everyone. How about if we get politicians of all parties agreeing on funding something of value like this idea!



  5. Melvin Waldron
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    2/22/2014 12:02 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Corey, you are talking about a bankrupt city run by dems for years. You may get pot holes fixed but it won't result in any new companies moving in or real job creation. Now I can get behind you on building dams but would go one step further. since only you and I and the Captain remember the beginning of the Interstate Freeway system started by Ike in the 50's how about if we build an Interstate Canal system with canals running east and west in both the north and the south with north south canals crisscrossing them. No part of the country would ever have to flood in a devastating manner and no part would have to suffer through big droughts! That would be a nationwide benefit for everyone. How about if we get politicians of all parties agreeing on funding something of value like this idea!


    That would be something, infrastructure spending is what the current president proposed and was always passed until he got into office. How will this all be paid for? Republicans don't want more taxes. What were the tax brackets back when the interstates were built?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  6. Sandy Clark
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    2/24/2014 9:02 AM
    They may just have to give up stupid spending and use our money for something we all may benefit from. Certainly the nations freeway system made this a much more efficient country. A water system to reduce flooding and lessen drought seems to be in our national interest. I have sure seen a ton of stupid ideas funded since our freeways have been completed. I would rather see this than spending money on climate change things that will never lower the temperatures around the globe. We could all feel good and actually accomplish something that helps the country. I know feeling good seems to be the driving force of so much of our legislation today!



  7. Ronald Conard
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    2/24/2014 10:02 AM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: They may just have to give up stupid spending and use our money for something we all may benefit from. Certainly the nations freeway system made this a much more efficient country. A water system to reduce flooding and lessen drought seems to be in our national interest. I have sure seen a ton of stupid ideas funded since our freeways have been completed. I would rather see this than spending money on climate change things that will never lower the temperatures around the globe. We could all feel good and actually accomplish something that helps the country. I know feeling good seems to be the driving force of so much of our legislation today!


    Sandy do you anticipate the Republicans will be against this?

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/military-spending-cuts/pentagon-set-slash-military-pre-world-war-ii-levels-n37086



  8. Sandy Clark
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    2/24/2014 12:02 PM
    Don't think if they are in flood or drought locations that they would even consider voting against it. It makes too much sens because both parties and individual politicians could reap benefits! It would cost a bazillion dollars, no doubt!



  9. Wahlin Scott B
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    2/24/2014 12:02 PM
    I am one of the "jobs lost". I do not have to go back to work in order to get affordable health insurance, so I am not going to. I am happily out of work and have been spending more time with my family. I guess for many on the right that is shame on me. I don't care.



  10. Robert Crockett
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    2/24/2014 1:02 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: I am one of the "jobs lost". I do not have to go back to work in order to get affordable health insurance, so I am not going to. I am happily out of work and have been spending more time with my family. I guess for many on the right that is shame on me. I don't care.

    Probably what got you out of the job...When the well runs dry Scott.



  11. Melvin Waldron
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    2/24/2014 2:02 PM
    Ronald Conard, CGCS said:
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: They may just have to give up stupid spending and use our money for something we all may benefit from. Certainly the nations freeway system made this a much more efficient country. A water system to reduce flooding and lessen drought seems to be in our national interest. I have sure seen a ton of stupid ideas funded since our freeways have been completed. I would rather see this than spending money on climate change things that will never lower the temperatures around the globe. We could all feel good and actually accomplish something that helps the country. I know feeling good seems to be the driving force of so much of our legislation today!


    Sandy do you anticipate the Republicans will be against this?

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/military-spending-cuts/pentagon-set-slash-military-pre-world-war-ii-levels-n37086


    The story didn't even mention the closing of the new tank lines in Ohio, instead of retrofitting older models.....Oh that's right who is in Ohio?

    If the military says it can do the job with those numbers, why not? If the republicans want to keep the current forces, then they need to look at revenues, (that's the nice word for taxes).

    As long as retiree and wounded don't lose their benefits. Little concerned about what cutting the subsidized commissary costs and housing might do, when pay is so low.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  12. Sandy Clark
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    2/24/2014 4:02 PM
    I predict the cuts will not end up going through. Nobody in Washington in their right mind is going to accept a reduced military in today's volatile world where China, North Korea, the Middle East, Pakistan and all of those other countries are so unstable or considered a threat to us. We will hear a ton of noise but somehow other things but not troop readiness will be cut. Much room exists for slashing within the Pentagon budget but I bet it won't end up being troops! Too dangerous to actually cut!



  13. Wahlin Scott B
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    2/24/2014 4:02 PM
    Robert Crockett said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: I am one of the "jobs lost". I do not have to go back to work in order to get affordable health insurance, so I am not going to. I am happily out of work and have been spending more time with my family. I guess for many on the right that is shame on me. I don't care.

    Probably what got you out of the job...When the well runs dry Scott.


    My well definitely ran dry. I did enjoy my work for many years, but I ran out of gas and they ran out of money. It was very fortunate for me to have the financial capability to retire at 55, but then again I did plan that I would be able to have the capability to make a decision. I would think that the right would applaud me for that, but they seem to judge that retiring makes me deficient.



  14. Melvin Waldron
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    2/24/2014 4:02 PM
    Sandy what gets me is the following line out of that story:

    The plan — which asks for $522 billion, more than China, Russia and the British defense budgets combined — is certain to face stiff opposition on Capitol Hill, where lawmakers will battle for every troop, weapons program and dollar.

    Heck if we are already out spending China and Russia, combined, why do we need to spend more? North Korea and Iran might be a threat, but aren't we outspending them as well?

    I guess the better question is, how are we spending that money? Are we spending it wisely?

    Most military spending is boondoggles to the constituents at home or to help the economies in their districts, not whets important to the protection of our country. And I'm sensitive to the economic impact in those districts. But if people do not want to pay taxes, how do we pay for the military we want? What do we cut? As most have said before, those things most people want to cut, don't amount to a hill of beans in the overall budget.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  15. Keith Lamb
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    2/24/2014 5:02 PM
    >F-35 program = $472 Billion
    >Littoral Combat Ship = $9 Billion
    >M1 Abrams Tank = ? How many tanks do we really need any more.
    >Ground Combat Vehicle = $32 Billion
    >Stop spending so much money in foreign countries. Overseas expenditures account for 34 percent of total Pentagon spending = $250 billion per year. Cut a modest third from the overseas budget = $83 billion ($830 over ten years)
    Cut the carrier strike groups down to nine. cost of deploying a carrier strike group is approximately $300 million
    Convert all U.S. fleets to biofuel. The Pentagon consumes about 650,000 barrels of oil per day.
    Approx. $1.4 trillion over 10 years saved.



  16. Sandy Clark
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    2/25/2014 10:02 AM
    Mel, I agree it has a ton of waste. Go after that and unneeded weapons programs but don't ever weaken our capability. Doesn't so much matter what the others spend. It is important for us to be the biggest dog in the pack. If not, little piss ant fools will create problems that can fester into what could become a world war. Peace through strength is the only answer. I think our Foreign Policy has made us look like fools over the past number of years and we must regain the trust and respect of the rest of the world. won't do that by being weal but absolutely go after the huge waste!



  17. Clay Putnam
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    2/25/2014 10:02 AM
    Ron's link references changes in military compensation and benefits including a %1 raise, increased housing costs, reduced subsidies, and what amounts to increased insurance costs for service members. Resulting in yet another screwing of our troops.

    I am not an expert in the military or military needs. I will defer the military needs to the "experts". However, I am miffed that Obama's administration would even glance at troop benefits. Perhaps there is more to it than I am aware, but as reported, I'm dumbfounded by the proposal of cutting troop benefits. I hope it turns out that benefits will not be cut. Our service members deserve more not less.

    Edit - Chuck Hagel needs to quit talking out of both sides of his mouth, in the same speech nonetheless, http://freebeacon.com/end-of-american-military-dominance/.

    The more I read the more reluctant I become in the "experts".



  18. Ronald Kirkman
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    2/26/2014 3:02 PM
    Sandy;

    Your idea about building canals and stop some major flooding makes too much sense. Politicians don't like that. Government could fund the money if they get rid of some stupid projects they waste money on.

    If Harry Reid likes this project it can be done. If he doesn't like this project it won't be done.

    Scott - congratulations on your retirement at a young age. I have not heard of anyone on the right or left complain about it. You are very fortuneate to achieve such a goal and I'm sure you sacrificed a lot to be in such an enviable position. Enjoy your family and friends and many Happy Years of retirement.

    Capt.Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  19. Keith Lamb
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  20. Steven Kurta
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    3/1/2014 4:03 PM
    Keith Lamb said: I even used a Fox news story.


    show-off



  21. Steven Kurta
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    3/2/2014 8:03 AM
    Reminded me of so many voices here:

    http://www.salon.com/2014/02/27/i_lost_ ... _hysteria/


    ..but it's from salon.com. I took the low road.

    BUY GOLD!



  22. Keith Lamb
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    3/2/2014 8:03 AM
    Sounds like 70% of our members. Luckily my owners are communist left wing socialist Jewish liberals. We keep ESPN on the TV or Classic Rock on in the clubhouse.



  23. Steven Kurta
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    3/2/2014 9:03 AM
    Well, in their defense, I know the country is changing. That's the design, the plan.
    Whether it's for "better" or "worse" is subjective, and due to human nature and our social diversity, unanswerable. We'll see - we'll move on - we'll survive like we do. As we've always done as human beings, politics notwithstanding.

    So, we laugh right, but in the face of change, it's natural to dig in if it feels wrong. It may be the only sane choice they feel they have.
    I totally get that.
    I'm thankful my parents never bought into the Fox hysteria machine, or NBC's for that matter. My dad, although an uber-conservative successful small business owner, remained a Democrat. Don't know why, but he just never drank the kool-aid.

    The weirdest red-flag to me though (among many), that the far-right is running out of rope, is their insistence that medical, and science reporting or findings are tainted, wrong, or corrupt if they don't agree with them.
    Peer-reviewing data and stories is a thing. It's an actual thing we do to verify truth over fiction.
    When you throw that out in the name of political agenda, you lose your credibility.
    I think that's the biggest challenge for the far-right now - credibility. The left is guilty enough of this too, there's plenty to go around. But when the data is the data and it's been cross-checked and verified - let it happen.

    THAT ALL SAID -- if the Republicans ran Christie, I'd probably vote for him - or someone like him.
    Someone give me a moderate fiscal conservative to vote for.



  24. Steven Huffstutler
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    3/3/2014 5:03 AM
    Unfortunately, most of our elected officials have never worn the uniform of their country. If they had bothered to do so, they would understand what their troops go through to impliment their policies and strategies.

    Those of us that spent 20+ in uniform kept up our end of the bargain. Every time I re-upped, I had to sign a contract that said that I was bound to do what they told me to, but that they could dismiss me at any time. I understood the deal, you serve at the pleasure of the President, but if you do your 20, they promise you certain things like health care, retirement pay and base priveledges.

    So....I kept up my part of the bargain. I never made more than 25k the whole time I was in the service and now they have decided that they don't have to keep up their end, that my benefits are too rich and that they need to protect the defense industrial base at my expense.

    They have already cut the health insurance that my wife depends on and made it more expensive, the VA is jam packed and with new vets returning every day, it's not gonna get any better.

    Military service should be a requirement to run for national office and if they don't want to pay veterans benefits, they should stop going to war.

    Regards,


    Steve



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