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  1. Ronald Kirkman
    Ronald Kirkman avatar
    42 posts
    4/13/2016 2:04 PM
    Greetings;

    Gentlemen and Ladies. It appears that the Northeast has come through the winter with minimal damage. That is good news; NO, that is great news. I realize everyone is working very diligently to get their respective golf courses in shape. I don't know about the mid-west and south - there may be serious damage from tornadoes and heavy rains causing flooding and serious wash-outs.

    Lets have some serious fun with politics. I know I'm older than most of you "closer to 80 than 75" and I do understand that many of you are a lot smarter than I and you probably forgot more than what I will ever know.

    Three years ago, I suffered from a Sub Dural Hematoma - I'm fine, no big deal. However, I can see the words and what I want to say and I can't get it out right at the moment. Then later on every thing becomes clear and I am pretty smart.

    OK, on with it - we have five candidates and I'm sure each of us have one we would like to vote for in the primary. Sorry, you people from Colorado, you don't count. Your fat cat delegates will tell you who they want in and Tough SH** if you don't like who they spent their 34 delegates on. Of course they will tell you everyone knows the rules and that's it. Very True, but it has been learned there is some shenanigans going on and none of the big shots will talk to TV reporters. Wonder Why?

    Have you noticed the resemblance of Vladimir Count Dracula and Senator Cruz? Count Dracula is really Herman Munster's Grandpa. Now, you got the picture. I just had to get that one in.

    You have your pick and I have mine which is Donald Trump. Millions of dollars has been spent on adds chastising Mr. Trump. I think the establishment is afraid of him. He tells it like it is and he holds no punches back. Funny, they don't like Cruz either.

    Who is this guy Casich? Rule 40 says all candidates must win eight states. I guess he thinks he is going to get the 2nd. or 3rd. ballot. Of course the Republicans will get rid of that rule.

    Whatever the case we shall wait and see who gets in. Mr. Trump said he would take Rubio and a few others for V.P. and Cabinet Posts.

    Have fun, state your opinion but take it easy on me or I will come back harder on you!!!! Wonder who says that???????????????

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  2. Steven Huffstutler
    Steven Huffstutler avatar
    11 posts
    4/14/2016 2:04 PM
    The 'Voice of the People' Fallacy
    Thomas Sowell
    By Thomas Sowell
    Published April 12, 2016

    We hear many fallacies in election years. The fallacy that seems to be most popular this year is that, if Donald Trump comes close to getting the 1,237 delegates required to become the Republican nominee, and that nomination goes instead to someone else, then the convention will have ignored "the voice of the people."

    Supposedly Republican voters would be outraged, many would stay home on election day, and some might even vote for the Democrats' nominee, whether Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders.

    Mr. Trump has more than once made the veiled threat that he would run as a third-party candidate if the Republicans failed to "respect" him. And of course Trump would himself decide what "respect" means.

    In so far as the voting public believes the fallacy that choosing someone other than Trump is ignoring "the voice of the people," when Trump has the most delegates, his threat carries weight.

    In reality, Trump has never gotten a majority of the votes in any state. In other words, "the voice of the people" has been consistently against nominating Trump.

    In a poll of Republican voters in Wisconsin, 20 percent of them said that they would be "concerned" if Trump became President of the United States, and 35 percent said that they would be "scared."

    If "the voice of the people" has spoken, whether in Wisconsin or nationally, what it has said repeatedly is "No" to Donald Trump. The illusion of Trump's overwhelming appeal to the Republican voters has been maintained by the fragmenting of Republican votes because so many candidates were running as conservatives that Trump won primaries without ever getting a majority of the votes.

    This would not be the first time that the conservative majority votes in a Republican primary season have been split so many ways that someone who is not a conservative ends up with the nomination.

    That is how the Republicans ended up with Mitt Romney in 2012 and lost the election. That is also how the Republicans can end up with Donald Trump and lose this year's election. Worse yet, from the standpoint of the country, that is how Donald Trump might end up in the White House.

    The Republicans in Wisconsin who were scared of the possibility of Trump as President were on to something. We should all be scared.

    Why? There is not room enough to list all the reasons. But Trump himself has demonstrated, over and over, how he lacks the depth of knowledge — and sometimes any knowledge at all — of complex life and death issues that are inescapable for any President of the United States.

    Ignorance is dangerous enough in itself. But ignorance on the part of an egomaniac, who announces that he is his own best advisor, is incorrigible ignorance. He can surround himself with the best minds in the country and it will not do any good if they are just there for window dressing.


    Barack Obama has already demonstrated what disasters a President can create when he ignores the warnings of the country's top military leaders, as he did when he pulled American troops out of Iraq, setting the stage for the emergence of ISIS.

    Obama dealt with that problem, as he has dealt with other problems, by coming up with glib rhetoric — in this case, dismissing ISIS as the junior varsity. The horrors that have followed — especially for women and girls — wherever ISIS has taken over in the Middle East make Obama's slick words grotesque.

    So too do the terrorist slaughters in Europe that are virtually guaranteed to be repeated in America.

    The unprecedented public criticisms of President Obama by four of his former Secretaries of Defense, not to mention retired four-star generals, demonstrate that having knowledgeable and experienced advisors cannot make up for headstrong ignorance on the part of a President.

    A headline on Bret Stephens' column in the Wall Street Journal — "Trump Is Obama Squared" — hit the nail on the head. After seven long years of disaster after disaster, at home and abroad, under the Obama administration, have we learned nothing about the dangers of choosing an untested candidate for President of the United States on the basis of his saying things we want to hear?

    Elections are not held to make us feel good at the time, but to select someone with the depth of knowledge and character to be entrusted with our lives and the future of the nation.



    Thomas Sowell, a National Humanities Medal winner, is an American economist, social theorist, political philosopher and author. He is currently Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.


    Read more at http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowel ... D7gKOGf.99



  3. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    4/14/2016 4:04 PM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: The 'Voice of the People' Fallacy
    Thomas Sowell
    By Thomas Sowell
    Published April 12, 2016

    We hear many fallacies in election years. The fallacy that seems to be most popular this year is that, if Donald Trump comes close to getting the 1,237 delegates required to become the Republican nominee, and that nomination goes instead to someone else, then the convention will have ignored "the voice of the people."

    Supposedly Republican voters would be outraged, many would stay home on election day, and some might even vote for the Democrats' nominee, whether Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders.

    Mr. Trump has more than once made the veiled threat that he would run as a third-party candidate if the Republicans failed to "respect" him. And of course Trump would himself decide what "respect" means.

    In so far as the voting public believes the fallacy that choosing someone other than Trump is ignoring "the voice of the people," when Trump has the most delegates, his threat carries weight.

    In reality, Trump has never gotten a majority of the votes in any state. In other words, "the voice of the people" has been consistently against nominating Trump.

    In a poll of Republican voters in Wisconsin, 20 percent of them said that they would be "concerned" if Trump became President of the United States, and 35 percent said that they would be "scared."

    If "the voice of the people" has spoken, whether in Wisconsin or nationally, what it has said repeatedly is "No" to Donald Trump. The illusion of Trump's overwhelming appeal to the Republican voters has been maintained by the fragmenting of Republican votes because so many candidates were running as conservatives that Trump won primaries without ever getting a majority of the votes.

    This would not be the first time that the conservative majority votes in a Republican primary season have been split so many ways that someone who is not a conservative ends up with the nomination.

    That is how the Republicans ended up with Mitt Romney in 2012 and lost the election. That is also how the Republicans can end up with Donald Trump and lose this year's election. Worse yet, from the standpoint of the country, that is how Donald Trump might end up in the White House.

    The Republicans in Wisconsin who were scared of the possibility of Trump as President were on to something. We should all be scared.

    Why? There is not room enough to list all the reasons. But Trump himself has demonstrated, over and over, how he lacks the depth of knowledge — and sometimes any knowledge at all — of complex life and death issues that are inescapable for any President of the United States.

    Ignorance is dangerous enough in itself. But ignorance on the part of an egomaniac, who announces that he is his own best advisor, is incorrigible ignorance. He can surround himself with the best minds in the country and it will not do any good if they are just there for window dressing.


    Barack Obama has already demonstrated what disasters a President can create when he ignores the warnings of the country's top military leaders, as he did when he pulled American troops out of Iraq, setting the stage for the emergence of ISIS.

    Obama dealt with that problem, as he has dealt with other problems, by coming up with glib rhetoric — in this case, dismissing ISIS as the junior varsity. The horrors that have followed — especially for women and girls — wherever ISIS has taken over in the Middle East make Obama's slick words grotesque.

    So too do the terrorist slaughters in Europe that are virtually guaranteed to be repeated in America.

    The unprecedented public criticisms of President Obama by four of his former Secretaries of Defense, not to mention retired four-star generals, demonstrate that having knowledgeable and experienced advisors cannot make up for headstrong ignorance on the part of a President.

    A headline on Bret Stephens' column in the Wall Street Journal — "Trump Is Obama Squared" — hit the nail on the head. After seven long years of disaster after disaster, at home and abroad, under the Obama administration, have we learned nothing about the dangers of choosing an untested candidate for President of the United States on the basis of his saying things we want to hear?

    Elections are not held to make us feel good at the time, but to select someone with the depth of knowledge and character to be entrusted with our lives and the future of the nation.



    Thomas Sowell, a National Humanities Medal winner, is an American economist, social theorist, political philosopher and author. He is currently Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.


    Read more at http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowel ... D7gKOGf.99



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  4. Ronald Kirkman
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    42 posts
    4/14/2016 8:04 PM
    Hi Steve;

    You should be getting rid of all the snow birds by now. And, you'll be able to think straight and vote for Mr. Trump.

    I think someone should inform Mr. Thomas Sowell that The "Voice Of The People is not a fallacy. Looks as though it is not only the establishment that is afraid of Mr. Trump. Wonder how much money he gave to super pac. We shall see what happens in a short period of time. Hopefully, by June.

    Mr. Trump also has an IQ somewhere between 157 and 159.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  5. Larry Allan
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    0 posts
    4/15/2016 8:04 AM
    Ronald Kirkman said: Hi Steve;

    You should be getting rid of all the snow birds by now. And, you'll be able to think straight and vote for Mr. Trump.

    I think someone should inform Mr. Thomas Sowell that The "Voice Of The People is not a fallacy. Looks as though it is not only the establishment that is afraid of Mr. Trump. Wonder how much money he gave to super pac. We shall see what happens in a short period of time. Hopefully, by June.

    Mr. Trump also has an IQ somewhere between 157 and 159.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA


    Ron, you missed the decimal points....15.7 and 15.9



  6. Ronald Kirkman
    Ronald Kirkman avatar
    42 posts
    4/15/2016 10:04 AM
    Larry;

    You must be thinking of the other candidates.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  7. Steven Huffstutler
    Steven Huffstutler avatar
    11 posts
    4/15/2016 10:04 AM
    Ronald Kirkman said: Hi Steve;

    You should be getting rid of all the snow birds by now. And, you'll be able to think straight and vote for Mr. Trump.

    I think someone should inform Mr. Thomas Sowell that The "Voice Of The People is not a fallacy. Looks as though it is not only the establishment that is afraid of Mr. Trump. Wonder how much money he gave to super pac. We shall see what happens in a short period of time. Hopefully, by June.

    Mr. Trump also has an IQ somewhere between 157 and 159.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA


    Hi Ron. The Snowbirds are leaving and traffic is letting up. You get to have them back for the summer.
    I have never doubted Mr. Trumps IQ. It's obvious that he is a lot smarter than the people who are voting for him but I wonder why a guy who claims to be soooooooo smart hasn't been able to figure out how the delegate process works and is getting skunked by a weasel like Ted Cruz?

    Regards,

    Steve



  8. Ronald Kirkman
    Ronald Kirkman avatar
    42 posts
    4/18/2016 1:04 PM
    Hi Steve;

    No doubt Trump screwed up in Colorado. However, there was one delegate that voted for Trump and he got fired. He went on u-tube and T.V. and burned up his papers and said he was through with the Republican Party. The point is that the voters DO NOT HAVE A SAY only the delegates. And, if they don't like you - you don't get a vote.

    Take Governor Casich, he has no money to continue running after Ohio but he continues stay in the race - WHY? because the Republican Party want to take votes away from Trump. He is getting his money from Super Pac. The establishment doesn't like Cruz either.

    At the convention, if they can get by the first and second delegates then Casich might just be nominated. Look at the former Governor of NY. He endorsed Rubio and now that it is over he endorses Casich and he will be with him through the remaining states trying to destroy Trump.

    Even if trump gets to 1237 or close to it with the delegate vote, I don't think he will be the nominee. I would think it will be Casich and Rubio.

    I think there was 80 million dollars spent on ads trying to destroy Trump not counting what that Dirt Bag Romney did. Trump is right it is a corrupt system.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  9. Steven Huffstutler
    Steven Huffstutler avatar
    11 posts
    4/18/2016 6:04 PM
    It's the system your man chose to run in, but wasn't bright enough to figure out how it works



  10. Steven Huffstutler
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    11 posts
    4/18/2016 7:04 PM
    I hate arguing with you about this. If you had told me 2 years ago that my choices would be between a racist, a person under investigation by the FBI, a socialist or a guy who says that God told him to run, I would have laughed in your face.



  11. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    4/18/2016 8:04 PM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: I hate arguing with you about this. If you had told me 2 years ago that my choices would be between a racist, a person under investigation by the FBI, a socialist or a guy who says that God told him to run, I would have laughed in your face.


    You only mentioned four. The fifth guy must be ok?



  12. Steven Huffstutler
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    11 posts
    4/30/2016 2:04 PM
    http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/04 ... ent-video/

    Well, I guess it's all over now. The Donald has the key endorsement he's been waiting for.

    But hey, he was also endorsed by convicted rapist and serial ear biter Mike Tyson, so I guess that means he's not a racist, right, Cap?



  13. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    5/1/2016 1:05 PM
    Of course there is this from Missouri where some of the convention delegates elected in congressional districts are not Trump supporters.

    http://www.kmbc.com/politics/many-trump ... s/39305460

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  14. Ronald Kirkman
    Ronald Kirkman avatar
    42 posts
    5/2/2016 4:05 PM
    Greetings;

    I don't give a hoot who wins the Presidency. I wonder if the Black Panthers voted for Obama. I did see some at the voting places trying to intimidate some voters four years ago.

    I think the rioting when Trump is speaking is OK. After all, the protesters have a right. Those that want to listen to Trump have no right. It's also OK to cause damage and destroy police vehicles. Also OK for illegals to carry their own flag and protest and cause damage. No big deal. I think illegal aliens have a right to free health care, education and Social Security benefits, and we should take away Social Security from those who paid into it.

    Also OK for college professors to antagonize students to rebel against the system if they don't approve of the candidate.

    Remember when Nancy Pelosi said. " We have to pass it, to find out what's in it." "That is the definition of a stool sample."

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  15. Steven Huffstutler
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    11 posts
    5/4/2016 9:05 AM
    Trumps puts down his hay where the goats can get it

    By Roger Simon

    05/04/16 05:38 AM EDT


    There are three major political parties in the United States: the Republicans, the Democrats and the Trumpeters.

    The Republicans blow their horns for the rich. The Democrats blow their horns for the poor. And the Trumpeters just blow.

    While the Republicans and Democrats are very angry, the Trumpeters are furious. The other two parties are looking for a winner. The Trumpeters are looking for a savior.

    This savior will find an enemy to blame for America's woes. This enemy will have dark skin and a foreign accent and will not be a "tru" American no matter what his (probably phony) birth certificate says.

    The savior will have a message. And it will not be unique. Andrew Jackson did pretty well with it in 1832, and a century later, it still has not lost its power. "Every man a king!" Huey Long told crowds in Louisiana in the early 1930s. "That's my slogan!"

    In February 1976, I interviewed George Wallace in the white, working-class neighborhood of Southie in Boston. Five hundred people packed into a small hall, and 300 others waited outside. Wallace spoke for nearly an hour in a strong, resonating voice.

    "You will be the kings and queens of American politics!" Wallace thundered. "You! The working men and women will be the kings and queens instead of the ultra-liberal left that has been getting everything all the time. Paul Revere rode to say the British were coming. I will ride to say, ‘The People are coming!'"

    After his speech, Wallace took questions from the same reporters he had denounced during his speech. Like Trump, Wallace was not afraid of the press. Like Trump, Wallace used the press.

    I asked Wallace what his strategy was.

    "My strategy? I put down the hay where the goats can get it!" he said, and then he roared with laughter.

    Trump is no different in that he does not have to sell his policies. His followers are more than ready for someone who will feed their fears and promise them magic, like walls that will reach to the sky and be paid for by the same foreigners who want American jobs.

    Trump does not need to build a coalition. The coalition is already out there festering, hating government, believing in conspiracies, waiting for someone to focus their anger.

    On Tuesday, Ted Cruz woke up and decided to tell people that Trump was a really, really bad guy.

    Trump is a "pathological liar" who is "utterly amoral" and does not know right from wrong, Cruz said. Trump has had "venereal diseases" as a result of his "serial philandering," of which he is proud.

    Trump is "terrified of strong women," Cruz said.

    And here is the really bad one: "He is not going to build a wall."

    No wall? What the heck are we going to spray paint?

    Why did Cruz wait so long to roll out Operation Desperation? This is anybody's guess. On April 26, after Trump swept Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island, Stephen Colbert summed it up with deadly accuracy: "Trump's candidacy just got five states less funny."

    And Hillary Clinton is not going to dawdle. Though technically, she still has to beat Bernie Sanders, she is already ready for Donald Trump. She is fired up and ready to go.

    "We've seen the rhetoric; we've seen the insults," she said Tuesday. "We're going to have a tough campaign against a candidate who will say or do anything."

    The trouble with attacks against Trump, however, is that they usually lack the snap and verve of his own attacks.

    Lyin' Ted. Little Marco. Low-energy Jeb. Crooked Hillary.

    As childish as they are, they stick in the mind.

    "Ted Cruz does not have the temperament to be president of the United States," Trump said on Tuesday.

    But what kind of temperament does the presidency require except a commitment to repeat the same slander day after day. "What I believed on Monday, I will still believe on Wednesday," the candidate must say. "No matter what I believed on Tuesday."

    And when media outlets started writing a few weeks ago that Trump was dialing down his attacks to appear more presidential, Trump reacted with anger.

    "I'm not changing; I went to the best schools; I'm, like, a very smart person," he said. "I don't want to change my personality. It got me here. I consider myself the presumptive nominee. As far as I'm concerned, it's over."

    And as for the rest of the campaign? The remaining primaries, the conventions, the presidential debates and all those speeches?

    No worries. It's easy when you have a plan, and Donald Trump has a plan: He is just going to keep putting down the hay where the goats can get it.

    Roger Simon is Politico's chief political columnist.



  16. Ronald Kirkman
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    42 posts
    5/4/2016 8:05 PM
    Steve;

    So you have a reporter that hates Trump. Too bad he didn't say anything about illegals burning the American flag and waving their own country flag in CA.

    How about the reporter that asked why she was demonstrating. Her answer: I don't know, I'm being paid $20.00 per hour to do this.

    Wonder why he didn't say anything about Bernie and his troops. They are getting the same votes or more than Trump did. And, he is a socialist.

    Hillary and the Democrats want an open border. If they win they will get their wish. I don't know about you but I certainly do not want another 8 years of the Democrats.

    This guy talks about Wallace and racism. Wonder if he saw Mrs. Obama speak at Jackson College. Talk about racism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham,MA



  17. Stephen Okula
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    3 posts
    5/5/2016 3:05 AM
    Ronald Kirkman said: Greetings;

    I don't give a hoot who wins the Presidency. I wonder if the Black Panthers voted for Obama. I did see some at the voting places trying to intimidate some voters four years ago.


    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA


    You personally witnessed Black Panthers attempting to intimidate voters at more than one polling station and you did nothing?



  18. Steven Huffstutler
    Steven Huffstutler avatar
    11 posts
    5/5/2016 4:05 AM
    I'm done. Kool Aide's too strong.



  19. Ronald Kirkman
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    42 posts
    5/5/2016 12:05 PM
    Mr. Okula;

    I ran out of delegates so I gave up on the Black Panthers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Junior;

    I agree - It's Ended - Kool Aide Kool Aide - Yah! Yah! Das Is Good Best By Far.................

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  20. Stephen Ravenkamp
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    1 posts
    5/5/2016 1:05 PM
    I think Trump got his moral compass from Jack Sparrow



  21. Stephen Okula
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    5/6/2016 12:05 PM
    Ronald Kirkman said: Mr. Okula;

    I ran out of delegates so I gave up on the Black Panthers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    That makes no sense.



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