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  1. Keith Lamb
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    10/22/2012 3:10 PM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    Albert Kronwall said: Where has Apple and many other companies moved their production to? China. China already holds more USA debt than any other country and now thanks to this administration our jobs are moving there as well. China has allowed capitalism to flourish and they are reaping the rewards.


    You should go live there, then. Let us know how you like it.



    Albert, let us know how that works for you. I heard FOXCON is hiring.

    Japan is actually trying to catch up to China, so I say let's bash them for awhile.

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  2. Melvin Waldron
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    10/22/2012 3:10 PM
    Albert Kronwall said: Where has Apple and many other companies moved their production to? China. China already holds more USA debt than any other country and now thanks to this administration our jobs are moving there as well. China has allowed capitalism to flourishh and they are reaping the rewards.


    Quick question to you Andy, when did Apple and many of those companies move their production? I have heard about jobs going to China for years, not just under this administration, they went there under Bush, (both) Clinton, Reagan, and probably Carter as well. Wasn't it Nixon (R) that met with and opened up much trade with China?

    Also reaping the rewards as you said in another post was our mutual funds and those executives and stock holders of those companies that make the move. While companies like that one in Illinois was making a profit and didn't flourish enough for their executives?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  3. Keith Pegg
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    10/22/2012 3:10 PM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: I'm sure most of us have heard of Romney's five point plan for the next four years. He has mentioned it several times during the debates and it is front and center of his campaign website. Agree with Romney's plan or not at least he has one. However, I have yet to hear of Obama's plan for the next four years and I could not find a specific published plan on his campaign website. Perhaps I missed it but I haven't come across anything as of yet. Has anyone seen a published plan by Obama and can you direct me to a link?

    This is the best I could find on his ??? 5 point plan>
    ROMNEY PROMISES ENERGY INDEPENDENCE

    REALITY: ROMNEY'S PLAN IS BASED ON OIL DRILLING AND CUTTING OFF INVESTMENTS IN RENEWABLE ENERGY – BUT WE CAN'T DRILL OUR WANT TO ENERGY INDEPENDENCE

    Romney Has The "View That The Government Should Cut Off Aid To Renewable Energy." "Romney's view that the government should cut off aid to renewable energy marks a reversal for the candidate." [Washington Post, 6/8/12]

    TIME: "Romney Has Suggested That Wind And Solar Are ‘Imaginary' Sources Of Energy, But They Can Now Power 15 Million Homes, And Their Industries Employ More Than 300,000 Americans. That's Real." "Before President Obama took office, the U.S. had 25 gigawatts of wind power, and the government's ‘base case' energy forecast expected 40 GW by 2030. Well, it's not quite 2030 yet, but we've already got 50 GW of wind. We've also got about 5 GW of solar, which isn't much, but is over six times more than we had before Obama. Mitt Romney has suggested that wind and solar are ‘imaginary' sources of energy, but they can now power 15 million homes, and their industries employ more than 300,000 Americans. That's real." [Michael Grunwald, TIME, 8/10/12]
    The Hill Headline: "Romney Campaign: Let Wind Energy Credit Die This Year." [The Hill, 7/30/12]
    Romney Would Keep $4 Billion A Year In Tax Incentives And Tax Breaks For Oil And Gas Drilling. Romney's energy positions include: "Keep tax incentives and tax breaks for oil and gas drilling. These amount to about $4 billion a year." [Washington Post, 9/11/12]
    Washington Post: "Romney's Plan Spends A Lot Of Time Talking About Drilling" But "Energy Independence Will Require More Than Just Drilling — It Will Also Depend On Efficiency Standards That Romney Has Opposed." "Energy independence will require more than just drilling — it will also depend on efficiency standards that Romney has opposed. Mitt Romney's plan spends a lot of time talking about drilling. But it's worth noting that both the EIA and Citigroup credit the Obama administration's new fuel-economy standards for cars and light trucks as a major part of America's lurch toward energy independence. By 2025, the increased CAFE standards are expected to reduce U.S. oil consumption by about 2.2 million barrels per day. Without those rules, energy independence looks nearly impossible. And Romney, for his part, has pledged to overturn those fuel-economy rules." [Wonk Blog, Washington Post, 8/23/12]

    ROMNEY PROMISES TO GET TRADE TO WORK WITH A "CRACK DOWN ON CHINA WHEN THE CHEAT"

    REALITY: ROMNEY CRITICIZED PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR IMPOSING TARIFFS ON CHINESE TIRES CALLING IT "PROTECTIONISM" AND "BAD FOR THE NATION AND OUR WORKERS"

    Romney Attacked Obama's Chinese Tire Tariffs As "Bad For The Nation And Our Workers" And Called It "Protectionism." "President Obama's action to defend American tire companies from foreign competition may make good politics by repaying unions for their support of his campaign, but it is decidedly bad for the nation and our workers. Protectionism stifles productivity." [Romney, No Apology: Case for American Greatness, Page 119 (audio available), released 3/2/10]

    The International Trade Commission Estimated That Tariffs On Chinese Tires Would Save The Equivalent Of Approximately 1,200 American Jobs. "Commissioner Lane notes that in the first year of relief, the average of the outcomes from the COMPAS Model shows that the domestic industry's domestic sales are likely to increase by approximately 6.8 million units on average. Although the model does not specifically project the impact of such an increase in output on employment, at the highest level of productivity reflected in the period of investigation 6.8 million tires would equate to over 2.3 million additional hours for production related workers in the industry. While these hours may be a combination of additional hours for existing employees and new jobs, they nevertheless equate to nearly 1,200 jobs on a full-time basis." [International Trade Commission Report, July 2009

    President Obama Has Brought Trade Cases Against China At Twice The Rate Of His Predecessor. The Obama Administration has filed 8 complaints against China with the World Trade Organization. Under the eight years of the Bush Administration, the U.S. filed 7 complaints against China with the WTO. [WTO List Of Disputes Cases, Accessed 9/15/12; Cleveland Plain Dealer, 9/16/12]

    ROMNEY PROMISES TO IMPROVE EDUCATION

    THE ROMNEY-RYAN BUDGET COULD CUT MORE THAN $115 BILLION FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION OVER THE NEXT DECADE

    If Cuts Were Applied Across The Board, The Ryan Budget Would Slash Education, "The Department Of Education Would Be Cut By More Than $115 Billion Over A Decade." "Yesterday, House Republicans released their budget resolution for FY 2013… On top of the roughly $1 trillion in cuts in the Budget Control Act, it would be difficult to overstate the radicalism of the domestic cuts proposed by the House budget resolution. In 2013, it would cut annual non-defense funding by 5 percent. By 2014, the resolution would cut this funding by 19 percent in purely nominal terms… The Department of Education would be cut by more than $115 billion over a decade." [Jeff Zients, Acting Director of the Office of Management and Budget, WH.gov, 3/21/12]

    If Cuts Were Applied Across The Board, The Ryan Budget Would Cut Elementary And Secondary Education Funding By $4.8 Billion. According to the White House, cuts to elementary and secondary education, special education funding would total $4,847,000,000 under the Ryan Budget. [White House, 4/6/12]
    ROMNEY'S PLAN: VOUCHERIZE AMERICA'S PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM WHILE OFFERING NO PLAN TO FIX FAILING PUBLIC SCHOOLS

    Romney Proposed A "Voucher-Style System" For Education. "Shifting from the economy to education, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney was proposing a voucher-style system that could significantly alter the public school system and revive the debate over school choice." [Associated Press, 5/23/12]

    Romney's Education Plan Says That Students Should Be Allowed To Escape Failing Public Schools By Using Federal Dollars To Pay For Private Schools, Online Schools And Other Alternative Settings. "Calling it a ‘national education emergency,' Mitt Romney said Wednesday that poor and disabled children should be allowed to escape failing public schools by using federal dollars to pay for private schools, online schools and other alternative settings." [Washington Post, 5/23/12]

    Former Education Secretary To George W. Bush Margaret Spellings Said She Stopped Advising Romney After He "Rejected Strong Federal Accountability Measures" Because Vouchers And Choice As Drivers Of Accountability Are "Untried And Untested." "One notable skeptic is Margaret Spellings, a former education secretary under Mr. Bush, who this year was an informal adviser to Mr. Romney. She said she withdrew once the candidate rejected strong federal accountability measures. ‘I have long supported and defended and believe in a muscular federal role on school accountability,' Ms. Spellings said. ‘Vouchers and choice as the drivers of accountability — obviously that's untried and untested.'" [New York Times, 6/11/12]

    REALITY: ROMNEY WOULD RETURN THE MIDDLE MAN TO STUDENT LOANS AND SLASH FUNDING FOR PELL GRANTS

    If Cuts Were Applied Across The Board, The Ryan Budget Would Slash Education, Meaning "9.6 Million Students Would See Their Pell Grants Fall By More Than $1000 In 2014, And, Over The Next Decade, Over One Million Students Would Lose Support Altogether." [Jeff Zients, Acting Director of the Office of Management and Budget, WH.gov, 3/21/12]

    Romney's Proposal To Repeal President Obama's Overhaul To The Federal Student Loan Program Would Be "A Return To Bank-Based Student Lending." "The presumed Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney pledged Wednesday that, if elected, he would reshape or do away with two major Obama administration higher education policy initiatives: the overhaul of the federal student loan program and tighter regulations on for-profit colleges…He also calls for a return to bank-based student lending, which was phased out beginning in 2010 as part of the health care overhaul." [Inside Higher Ed, 5/24/12]

    Steve Benen: Romney's Education Agenda "Vows To Bring The Middleman Back" To The Student-Loan System. "One of the overlooked accomplishments of President Obama's term is the reform of the student-loan system -- an effort that was decades in the making, but had been blocked by Republicans and bank lobbyists until 2010. Under the old system, the student-loan industry received billions in taxpayer subsidies to provide a service the government could perform for less. As Rachel explained on the show a month ago, in 2010, Democrats removed the middleman, streamlined the process, saved taxpayers a ton of money, and helped more young people get college degrees. Yesterday, Mitt Romney unveiled a new education agenda, which vows to bring the middleman back." [Steve Benen, MSNBC, 5/24/12]


    ROMNEY CALLED PRESIDENT OBAMA "OUT OF TOUCH" FOR ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO PURSUE MANUFACTURING JOBS

    Romney Said "The President Seems To Be Out Of Touch" For Encouraging Young People To Pursue Manufacturing Jobs. "At the stop in Detroit, Romney said Obama showed he was ‘out of touch' this week when he encouraged young people to pursue manufacturing jobs. ‘Last month, 5,000 people lost their jobs in manufacturing,' Romney said. ‘The president seems to be out of touch.'" [Detroit News, 6/9/11]

    Wall Street Journal: Romney "Twice This Month Said That The President Was Out Of Touch For Suggesting Young People Go Into Manufacturing" But "We Have Had Manufacturing Growth That Rivals The Levels Of The 1980s." Jonathan Weisman said in an interview on the manufacturing industry: "Actually, Obama sees and opening here because Mitt Romney, twice this month said that the president was ‘out of touch' for suggesting young people go into manufacturing, go into community college to study, different kind of high-end manufacturing techniques and if fact if you look at the sort of sluggish recovery of jobs, manufacturing is one of the bright spots. Not particularly beaming but we have had good strong manufacturing growth. We have had manufacturing growth that rivals the levels of the 1980s." [News Hub, Wall Street Journal, 6/24/11]

    ROMNEY PROMISES TO CUT FEDERAL SPENDING

    REALITY: ROMNEY PROPOSED $5 TRILLION IN NEW TAX CUTS AND $2 TRILLION IN ADDITIONAL DEFENSE SPENDING BUT THE ONLY SPECIFICS ROMNEY HAS LAID OUT "WOULD MAKE THE DEFICIT BIGGER, NOT SMALLER, AND ADD TO THE DEBT, NOT SUBTRACT FROM IT"

    Los Angeles Times: "Romney Says He Wants To Balance The Budget Within Four Years, But He Has Not Spelled Out A Plan To Do So." [Los Angeles Times, 8/27/12]

    Los Angeles Times: Romney Has Only Spoken In Specifics About Plans That "Would Make The Deficit Bigger, Not Smaller, And Add To The Debt, Not Subtract From It." "Romney says he wants to balance the budget within four years, but he has not spelled out a plan to do so. Instead, most of the plans he has talked about specifically – significant new tax cuts, increased defense spending, no changes in Medicare or Social Security until people now 55 reach retirement age, postponing the automatic spending cuts scheduled to start Jan. 1 – would make the deficit bigger, not smaller, and add to the debt, not subtract from it." [Los Angeles Times, 8/27/12]
    Center On Budget And Policy Priorities: Romney's New Tax Cuts Would Cost $4.9 Trillion Over A Decade, On Top Of The Cost Of Extending The Bush Tax Cuts. "The Tax Policy Center estimates that the Romney tax plan would lose about $480 billion in tax revenue in calendar year 2015, beyond the revenues losses inherent in maintaining current policy (such as continuing all of the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts). Over the 2014-2022 period, that implies a total reduction in revenues of about $4.9 trillion, relative to current tax policy." [Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, 5/21/12]

    Washington Post Headline: "Romney Confirms His Tax Cuts Won't Be Paid For." [Greg Sargent , Washington Post, 8/3/12]
    PolitiFact: "The President Said Romney Planned To Increase Defense Spending By $2 Trillion And That Was Money The Military Hadn't Asked For… We Rate The Statement True." "The president said Romney planned to increase defense spending by $2 trillion and that was money the military hadn't asked for. Independent analysts confirm that number, and Romney did not deny it. Military leaders have testified in support of the president's spending plan, and we found no evidence of disagreement behind the scenes. We rate the statement True." [Politifact, 10/5/12]

    Wall Street Journal: "[Romney's] Defense Spending Plans, Which Could Add Another $2 Trillion To The Budget Over The Next Decade, Further Complicate His Math." [Wall Street Journal, 8/13/12]
    ROMNEY PROMISES TO CUT TAXES FOR SMALL BUSINESSES

    REALITY: THE ROMNEY-RYAN TAX HIKE COULD RAISE TAXES FOR 30 MILLION SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS

    If Romney's Tax Plan Was Paid For, Taxpayers Making Less Than $200,000 Would See Average Tax Increases. [Tax Policy Center, On The Distributional Effects Of Base-Broadening Income Tax Reform, p. 16, 8/1/12]

    Politifact: "To Make Romney's Plan Revenue Neutral," Those Making Less Than $200,000 Would "See Outright Tax Increases." "But to make Romney's plan revenue neutral, deductions would also have to be removed for people with incomes below $200,000, and the effects of that would be significant, the study found. In fact, the elimination of the deductions would mean outright tax increases for everyone with incomes below $200,000. People with taxable income between $50,000 and $75,000, for example, would see an average net tax increase of $641. They'd save $984 from Romney's rate cut, but lose $2,672 in write-offs." [Politifact, 8/3/12]
    Tax Policy Center: Nearly 30 Million Americans With Business Income Earn Less Than $200,000. According to Tax Policy Center data on tax units with business income, there are: 2,762,000 that earn less than $10,000; 3,089,000 that earn between $10,000 and $20,000; 2,983,000 that earn between $20,000 and $30,000; 2,904,000 that earn between $30,000 and $40,000; 2,558,000 that earn between $40,000 and $50,000; 4,796,000 that earn between $50,000 and $75,000; 3,861,000 that earn between $75,000 and $100,000; and 6,568,000 that make between $100,000 and $200,000. In total, there are 29,522,000 tax units with business income that earn less than $200,000. [Tax Policy Center, T11-0148 - Baseline Distribution of Business Income, by Cash Income Level; Current Law, 2011, 6/7/11]

    REALITY: THE ROMNEY-RYAN BUDGET COULD CUT SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION FUNDING BY 19% – A CUT OF $170 MILLION

    The Ryan Budget Would Cut Domestic Discretionary Spending By 19 Percent, And "Since The House Has Refused To Specify What Would Be Cut, We Consider The Impacts If The Cuts Are Distributed Equally Across The Budget." "Yesterday, House Republicans released their budget resolution for FY 2013… On top of the roughly $1 trillion in cuts in the Budget Control Act, it would be difficult to overstate the radicalism of the domestic cuts proposed by the House budget resolution. In 2013, it would cut annual non-defense funding by 5 percent. By 2014, the resolution would cut this funding by 19 percent in purely nominal terms. Over a decade, the resolution would cut over $1 trillion in non-defense spending on top of the reductions the President has already signed into law. The cuts in non-defense discretionary funding are nearly three times as deep as the cuts under the so-called sequester — cuts that we and most objective analysts have always regarded as an unwise and unacceptable. What would it all mean? The Budget doesn't say. In fact, the Budget resolution includes a magic asterisk — or, in more technical parlance, an ‘allowance'— for $897 billion in unspecified cuts. But what could the resolution mean? Since the House has refused to specify what would be cut, we consider the impacts if the cuts are distributed equally across the Budget. The result would be that." [Jeff Zients, Acting Director of the Office of Management and Budget, WH.gov, 3/21/12]

    2012: The Enacted Small Business Administration Budget Was $900 Million. [Fiscal year 2013 Budget, Office of Management & Budget, p. 240]



  4. Clay Putnam
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    10/22/2012 3:10 PM
    Thanks for the effort Keith. I was specifically looking for the Obama plan.



  5. James Schmid
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    10/22/2012 5:10 PM
    Albert Kronwall said: Where has Apple and many other companies moved their production to? China. China already holds more USA debt than any other country and now thanks to this administration our jobs are moving there as well. China has allowed capitalism to flourish and they are reaping the rewards.


    This statement is 100% true. There was not a single job was moved to China until 3 and a half years ago. Not a single one. Ever.



  6. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    10/22/2012 8:10 PM
    James Schmid said:
    Albert Kronwall said: Where has Apple and many other companies moved their production to? China. China already holds more USA debt nthan any other country and now thanks to this administration our jobs are moving there as well. China has allowed capitalism to flourish and they are reaping the rewards.


    This statement is 100% true. There was not a single job was moved to China until 3 and a half years ago. Not a single one. Ever.

    Uhhhhh.........unless you count the golf course shaper that I sent to China 4 and a half years ago so he could grab that cheap Chinese paycheck. $13,000.00 a month. Poor guy.

    James, your sarcasm was almost too subtle, but I caught it and laughed. Good one.

    Jeff



  7. Steven Kurta
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    10/23/2012 5:10 AM
    I don't have cable tv, so not a bill maher watcher but got this from a twitter feed last night:

    Bill Maher --[quote"> "Mitt's entire debate strategy: What he just said, but from a white guy"


    After witnessing another drubbing by Obama, I sat there and wondered how on earth can't you see that Romney isn't the answer here.
    ..then saw the Maher quote and realized that's what will be the neocon spin: in the face of having to support a guy like Romney, (that none of them wanted in the first place precisely because of his flip floppy track record, and lack of knowledge in foreign or domestic policies) they're only choice is to do what they're doing now -- Lose another debate to the president? label the president "un-presidential" in attempts to invalidate him.

    Romney was exposed again for what his own party was afraid of - his issue/stance inconsistency and out of touchness in general. That's come home to roost. The only thing standing between it and it costing him the election is how mightily the spin doctors on the right can whip people up into being outraged and scared EVEN in the face of recovering housing market/job creation and consumer satisfaction numbers. It's all down to how cowed the undecided voter will allow themselves to be. Will they go for another four years stability and steady improvement or go for fear of Obama.



  8. Clay Putnam
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    10/23/2012 6:10 AM
    Drubbing. Spin. It may be time to put down the twitter and filter the Maher pollution.



  9. McCallum David K
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    10/23/2012 6:10 AM
    Yes I noticed in my local paper another one of Obama's GREEN companies went belly up. A123 Electric Car Battery maker filed for bankruptcy. They had received a $249 million grant (more of that corporate entitlement money) from the government but have only spent $129 million so the taxpayers didn't lose all of our money



  10. Steven Kurta
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    10/23/2012 8:10 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: Drubbing. Spin. It may be time to put down the twitter and filter the Maher pollution.


    Ya. Drubbing with a 'D'
    http://m.upi.com/story/UPI-60841350995016/

    But I reserve the right to be corrected later by Rush as he tells me what really happened last night.

    *edit: Listening to Glenn Beck right now, he's already saying if Romney loses the election it will be because of last night's debate. That's Glenn Beck now...the neocon's neocon saying that. Fun listening to how far around they have to twist reality back on itself to make it seem like Romney did anything to help himself last night. Mind boggling Bubble dwelling at it's finest. Geez.



  11. Melvin Waldron
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    10/23/2012 12:10 PM
    David McCallum said: Yes I noticed in my local paper another one of Obama's GREEN companies went belly up. A123 Electric Car Battery maker filed for bankruptcy. They had received a $249 million grant (more of that corporate entitlement money) from the government but have only spent $129 million so the taxpayers didn't lose all of our money


    What's the difference between giving money to companies to try and develop alternate energy and handing billions over to the oil industry as a subsidy? (man there had to be a joke in there somewhere).

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  12. Clay Putnam
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    10/23/2012 12:10 PM
    Steven Kurta said:
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: Drubbing. Spin. It may be time to put down the twitter and filter the Maher pollution.


    Ya. Drubbing with a 'D'
    http://m.upi.com/story/UPI-60841350995016/

    But I reserve the right to be corrected later by Rush as he tells me what really happened last night.

    *edit: Listening to Glenn Beck right now, he's already saying if Romney loses the election it will be because of last night's debate. That's Glenn Beck now...the neocon's neocon saying that. Fun listening to how far around they have to twist reality back on itself to make it seem like Romney did anything to help himself last night. Mind boggling Bubble dwelling at it's finest. Geez.


    A drubbing is to be beaten badly. Hardly the case last night. As for spin, the dizziness must be unfathomable from listening to Maher, Rush, and their ilk.



  13. Albert Kronwall
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    10/23/2012 12:10 PM
    Even some of the lefty's are beginning to acknowledge that Romney is not the evil person the democrats want to paint him as. Even Gayle King, Oprah's best friend, is saying nice things about Romney. That reminds me where is Oprah during this campaign?
    You have to get through the 10 sec. commercial first

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7405692n



  14. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    10/23/2012 1:10 PM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:

    drubbing.....spin.....unfathomable.....ilk.


    [size=150">WORD FIGHT![/size">



  15. Steven Kurta
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    10/23/2012 1:10 PM
    If Romney ran from the stage bawling five minutes in, Republicans would still call it a draw.



  16. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/23/2012 2:10 PM
    ... or say that Obama was mean and petulant, a real bully.



  17. Clay Putnam
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    10/23/2012 4:10 PM
    I'm sure the Rush crowd is probably calling it a draw and I wouldn't be surprised if they go as far as call it a win for Romney. Most reasonable viewers would give the [u">edge[/u"> to President Obama. Heck, President Obama has had four years as the President to hone his foreign policy skills. He better have won. Lame would not begin to describe President Obama's performance had he lost last night. But the argument could be made that Romney did exactly what he needed to do in the debate. Romney trounced President Obama so bad in the first debate that Romney only needed to hang-on in the next two debates, which he did. Romney has his base secure. He played a cool hand last night and played nice with the PODUS. Romney came across as the centrist candidate willing to give diplomacy the ultimate chance to attract the undecided women voters.



  18. Peter Bowman
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    10/23/2012 4:10 PM
    I think you can get " A Plan for Middle Class Jobs and Security" in hardcopy now. Two weeks 'til election day. They produced 3.5 million of them. Lots of pictures with smiling faces, I'll bet. I'm going to request one from Obama, then scold him for cutting down so many trees.

    http://thehill.com/video/campaign/26360 ... mas-plans-



  19. Niemier Rick A
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    10/23/2012 5:10 PM
    Albert Kronwall said: Even some of the lefty's are beginning to acknowledge that Romney is not the evil person the democrats want to paint him as. Even Gayle King, Oprah's best friend, is saying nice things about Romney. That reminds me where is Oprah during this campaign?
    You have to get through the 10 sec. commercial first

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7405692n


    Gee, why would most care what DOprah would have to say? Maybe you should read what the Salt Lake Tribune had to say about their fellow Mormon.

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55 ... t.html.csp



  20. Clay Putnam
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    10/23/2012 8:10 PM
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said: I think you can get " A Plan for Middle Class Jobs and Security" in hardcopy now. Two weeks 'til election day. They produced 3.5 million of them. Lots of pictures with smiling faces, I'll bet. I'm going to request one from Obama, then scold him for cutting down so many trees.

    http://thehill.com/video/campaign/26360 ... mas-plans-


    Do ya think Axlerod wipes Rogaine on his forehead? Thems some bushy brows.



  21. Clay Putnam
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    10/23/2012 8:10 PM
    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said:
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:

    drubbing.....spin.....unfathomable.....ilk.


    [size=150">WORD FIGHT![/size">


    We prefer to refer to it as a pronounceable series of letters fracas or scrum.



  22. Albert Kronwall
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    10/26/2012 8:10 AM
    Thanks for the tax payer money....Well thought out plan Mr. President

    In another potential blow for the president's Ohio reelection campaign, Jeep, the rugged brand President Obama once said symbolized American freedom, is considering giving up on the United States and shifting production to China.

    Such a move would crash the economy in towns like Toledo, Ohio, where Jeeps are made and supplied, and rob the community of the economic security they thought Obama's auto bailout assured them.

    In a Bloomberg interview, Jeep's president said the automaker plans to restore Jeep production in China, suspended in 2009, and is considering making all Jeeps in China. "Fiat SpA, majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers' operations in the region," reported the business wire service.



  23. Melvin Waldron
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    10/26/2012 9:10 AM
    Albert Kronwall said: Thanks for the tax payer money....Well thought out plan Mr. President

    In another potential blow for the president's Ohio reelection campaign, Jeep, the rugged brand President Obama once said symbolized American freedom, is considering giving up on the United States and shifting production to China.

    Such a move would crash the economy in towns like Toledo, Ohio, where Jeeps are made and supplied, and rob the community of the economic security they thought Obama's auto bailout assured them.

    In a Bloomberg interview, Jeep's president said the automaker plans to restore Jeep production in China, suspended in 2009, and is considering making all Jeeps in China. "Fiat SpA, majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers' operations in the region," reported the business wire service.


    Company says it will not move production out of North America
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    Chrysler is strongly denying a report the company was considering moving all of its Jeep production to China.

    The company has not been shy about wanting to build Jeeps in China, but Chrysler says it won't quit building them in the United States.

    "Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China," Gualberto Ranieri, the company's senior vice president for corporate communications, wrote Thursday in a blog posted on Chrysler's Web site.

    "It is simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world's largest auto market."

    Bloomberg reported earlier this week that Fiat SpA, the majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, was in talks with its Chinese partner, Guangzhou Automobile Group Co., about making Jeeps in China. Jeeps were built in China from 1983-2009.

    Bloomberg quoted Mike Manley, who is president and CEO of the Jeep brand as well as the chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia.

    "The volume opportunity for us [in China] is very significant," Mr. Manley was quoted as saying.

    "We're reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity" as well as "should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio."

    Mr. Ranieri said in his blog that some people misinterpreted the Bloomberg story.

    "Despite clear and accurate reporting, the take has given birth to a number of stories making readers believe that Chrysler plans to shift all Jeep production to China from North America ... . It is a leap that would be difficult even for circus acrobats."

    The Washington Examiner, a conservative newspaper distributed in the D.C. area, was among the media that picked up on the Bloomberg report.

    "In another potential blow for the President's Ohio re-election campaign, Jeep, the rugged brand President Obama once said symbolized American freedom, is considering giving up on the United States and shifting production to China," the Examiner wrote.

    "Such a move would crash the economy in towns like Toledo, Ohio, where Jeeps are made and supplied, and rob the community of the economic security they thought Obama's auto bailout assured them."

    Chrysler last year announced a $500 million investment to expand and modernize part of the Toledo Assembly Complex.

    The planned expansion will add about 1,100 jobs, putting total plant employment at about 3,000.

    The Toledo plant builds the Jeep Wrangler and, starting next year, will build an as-yet-unnamed vehicle that will replace the Liberty in Jeep's lineup.

    International sales for Chrysler climbed 22 percent to 153,154 this year through September, according to the company.

    The Jeep brand accounted for more than three-quarters of those deliveries.

    Jeep sold 22,294 vehicles in China last year, an 81 percent increase over 2010.


    From the Toledo Blade, which got it's info off the company website blog. My thought is if they are investing $500 million in a plant expansion they will continue to build in Toledo. Otherwise why invest it? Of course $500 million might be chump change for them so who's to say. Could the quote about building the whole portfolio have been, hey if the Wrangler and the new product are popular all over, why not build them in China also to keep up with demand? Could the capacity of the Toledo plants be built enough to meet the world demand? Those would be good questions to follow up on. Andy, I don't know what the answer is, do you want the government to take over Chrysler or do you want the free market to be in control of stuff? Tough call but I would think with enough incentives, a good product, and good sales in the US Jeep would be fine, I think if they moved all Jeep production to China, then in my opinion Jeeps would lose almost all support and wouldn't sell in our country.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  24. Melvin Waldron
    Melvin Waldron avatar
    43 posts
    10/26/2012 11:10 AM
    I don't know why I don't think of these things sooner.

    So if Jeep does move all of it's production to China, it just makes the President more like Bain CEO Mitt Romney, Just like President Obama with the Obama/Romney care in the APA is the same as Gov. Romney of Mass., as I have been telling you all these guys are one and the same. So I guess since Gen. Powell a smart military man and former Secretary of State supports President Obama that helps break the tie and my vote goes to the current president.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  25. Keith Pegg
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    0 posts
    10/28/2012 4:10 PM
    Jeep is not moving to China!

    http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/10/26/ ... -false-gm/

    Romney open mouth, speak lies.

    Keith Pegg
    Zama Japan



  26. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    10/29/2012 7:10 AM
    Nice try Mel but there never was a tie in your mind.........speaking like a politician now buddy. You were and always will be on Obama's side and that's fine. That's what make American (at least for now) great, you get to choose. But please don't try to BS anyone with Powell broke the tie for you.....starting to sound like our president.



  27. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    10/29/2012 8:10 AM
    That's true David, but it was fun to try and show how much more a like these guys are then they are different. Now some of those Senate and Congressman candidates, they are a different story, and probably the biggest reason I wouldn't vote for Gov. Romney, he moved so far right to get the nomination, then put Ryan on the ticket, now he is moving back to the center. Expected I suppose, but then what is he really going to stand for? And can he get a moderate agenda through congress or does he continue to push things to the right, especially social issues?

    Just as we had a quick conversation on our last band trip with our neighbors around the corner. True conservative republicans like almost our entire neighborhood (and this corner of the state). We drove past an Obama campaign office in St. Louis, a small one, and I commented I guess they don't need a big office in this state (since he won't win it). I did end up saying we are voting for Obama with the biggest reason being the ACA or Obama/Romney care due to the pre-existing clause and others to help our son.

    This Saturday morning we get a text from them telling us Romney said he will keep the pre-existing conditions in place. Well his team had corrected that at an earlier stump speech, basically going back to what was before, If you had insurance before pre-existing conditions would be covered. If you didn't they wouldn't. The main part of the story was, they understood our reasons for voting for who we are, just as we understand their choice. That's all we really ask of our friends if politics even come up.

    Of course there are other reasons as well, I'm selfish but not that selfish.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  28. Ronald Kirkman
    Ronald Kirkman avatar
    42 posts
    10/29/2012 3:10 PM
    Mel,

    You have to admit - MR. Ryan and Sarah Palin would make a great team as President and Vice President.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  29. Melvin Waldron
    Melvin Waldron avatar
    43 posts
    10/29/2012 3:10 PM
    Ronald Kirkman said: Mel,

    You have to admit - MR. Ryan and Sarah Palin would make a great team as President and Vice President.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA


    Capt. Congressman Ryan has been wearing skirts? I thought that was your first criteria for selecting leaders? I know you have said you would support Secretary Clinton if she would stop wearing those pantsuits all the time. (If I could figure out the archives I would go back and find our conversation about that)

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

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