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Where's the plan?

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  1. Clay Putnam
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    10/18/2012 1:10 PM
    I'm sure most of us have heard of Romney's five point plan for the next four years. He has mentioned it several times during the debates and it is front and center of his campaign website. Agree with Romney's plan or not at least he has one. However, I have yet to hear of Obama's plan for the next four years and I could not find a specific published plan on his campaign website. Perhaps I missed it but I haven't come across anything as of yet. Has anyone seen a published plan by Obama and can you direct me to a link?



  2. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/18/2012 5:10 PM
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  3. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/18/2012 5:10 PM
    [img">http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/scottcgcs/romneylie2.jpg[/img">



  4. Clay Putnam
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    10/18/2012 6:10 PM
    Slide a chair up the adult table and present a plan.



  5. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/18/2012 6:10 PM
    Romney's plan is well known for not being available. You cannot reduce taxes on everyone AND not cut taxes for the top 1%. That is obvious. Although the right has cut down everything the President has tried to do he has managed to reduce annual deficit spending, and what is the right going to do about the reductions in defense spending they already agreed to. You are trying to lead me down a path here, why not just get to the punch line.

    You big table comment is only meant to be incendiary, which is standard for you.



  6. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/18/2012 6:10 PM
    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x2W4GhSLlQ[/youtube">



  7. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    10/19/2012 12:10 AM
    Its a simple question, really. Does Obama have a plan? We know the opposition does not agree with Romneys plan. We've heard it a100 times. I was really hoping to see if there was a plan but your response can only equate to one of two possibilities. Either Obama has no plan or the plan is mud slinging. You see, both are losers. Its a no win.



  8. Steven Kurta
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    10/19/2012 4:10 AM
    Clay, The fiscal plan has been layed out multiple times and in much finer detail than Romney offers for his own. It's just a matter of googling it. It's been up for a while. Everyone's just too lazy or sick and tired to provide it you. If you're having trouble with your internets, sing out, I can mail it to you.



  9. McCallum David K
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    10/19/2012 6:10 AM
    The Obama plan is the same as 2008........if I can't turn it around in 3 years then I'll be a one term president. It has worked well so far. What the hell lets give him another 4 years......I'm sure we'll look just like Europe by 2016.



  10. Rodney Crow
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    10/19/2012 7:10 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: Romney's plan is well known for not being available. You cannot reduce taxes on everyone AND not cut taxes for the top 1%. That is obvious. Although the right has cut down everything the President has tried to do he has managed to reduce annual deficit spending, and what is the right going to do about the reductions in defense spending they already agreed to. You are trying to lead me down a path here, why not just get to the punch line.

    You big table comment is only meant to be incendiary, which is standard for you.


    Scott, he did not ask for Romney's plan, nor your opinions on Romney's plan. In fact, he never asked for any opinions at all, but only a link or two to find Obama's plan.

    Steven Kurta said: Clay, The fiscal plan has been layed out multiple times and in much finer detail than Romney offers for his own. It's just a matter of googling it. It's been up for a while. Everyone's just too lazy or sick and tired to provide it you. If you're having trouble with your internets, sing out, I can mail it to you.


    Steve, so in your "unlazyness" you had time to type all this, but also didnt have time to post a simple link for him?



  11. Clay Putnam
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    10/19/2012 7:10 AM
    Steven Kurta said: Clay, The fiscal plan has been layed out multiple times and in much finer detail than Romney offers for his own. It's just a matter of googling it. It's been up for a while. Everyone's just too lazy or sick and tired to provide it you. If you're having trouble with your internets, sing out, I can mail it to you.


    Nope, my internets are just fine. Several days ago I did a google search for "Obama plan for next four years" and it returned nothing worth mentioning. Unless you think Joe Scarborough is worth mentioning. I also did a search for his fiscal plan and there is a page on the topic on the White House website but, again, nothing on his campaign website. Weird. Very odd. So in the end Obama has no plan. He really is running on a hope and prayer. Good luck with that...suckers.



  12. Clay Putnam
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    10/19/2012 8:10 AM
    Steve, so in your "unlazyness" you had time to type all this, but also didnt have time to post a simple link for him?

    Kurta's like that. I remember one time he kicked my crutches out from under me as I was walking down the steps.



  13. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/19/2012 8:10 AM
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/14/mitt-romney/romney-claims-5-studies-back-his-tax-plan/?fb_action_ids=10151162388309316&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=246965925417366



  14. Peter Bowman
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    10/19/2012 9:10 AM
    Geeeezzzzzz Scott. You make me read through all that to find a link to Obama's Plan?

    I missed it, I guess.



  15. Larry Stowell
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    10/19/2012 9:10 AM
    Here both campaign pages. There may be others, but it looks like these are the official pages:

    Romney: http://www.mittromney.com/issues/fiscal-responsibility

    Obama: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/



  16. Steven Kurta
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    10/19/2012 9:10 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: Steve, so in your "unlazyness" you had time to type all this, but also didnt have time to post a simple link for him?


    [quote">I remember one time he kicked my crutches out from under me as I was walking down the steps.

    I'm a jerk like that.



  17. Clay Putnam
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    10/19/2012 9:10 AM
    Larry Stowell said: Here both campaign pages. There may be others, but it looks like these are the official pages:

    Romney: http://www.mittromney.com/issues/fiscal-responsibility

    Obama: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/


    Thank you Larry!



  18. Albert Kronwall
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    10/19/2012 1:10 PM
    It simply comes down to what basic philosophy you believe in.

    Obama's plan promotes government dependence and control, creating a larger government to administer the money they take from the wealthy. "Redistribution of Wealth"

    Romney's plan is to promote people with idea's and ambition to take a risk and possibly get rich following their dream. If successful they will create jobs allowing others to prosper along the way.

    More people working and paying taxes creates income for the government
    More people collecting entitlements and employed by the government is a deficit for the government.

    (Government Welfare payments just passed the $1trillion mark for the first time in history, 2011 data)



  19. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/19/2012 1:10 PM
    It is ironic to me how the left and right accuse each other of the same things. I see Obama's plan as helping students and the unemployed get educated and gainfully employed, possibly running their own business. In addition, people who work for the government provide services that the citizens demand AND government employees pay taxes.



  20. Larry Allan
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    10/19/2012 3:10 PM
    Education is over rated. Even dullards can fined work. I'm walking proof
    I hate education and the educated



  21. Keith Lamb
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    10/19/2012 5:10 PM
    Larry Allan said: Education is over rated. Even dullards can fined work. I'm walking proof
    I hate education and the educated


    This is a 'Merkin only thread. Any idiot can aerate ice.....duh.



  22. Albert Kronwall
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    10/20/2012 11:10 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: It is ironic to me how the left and right accuse each other of the same things. I see Obama's plan as helping students and the unemployed get educated and gainfully employed, possibly running their own business. In addition, people who work for the government provide services that the citizens demand AND government employees pay taxes.


    Government doesn't produce anything to make money, it can only print money and redistribute other people's wealth through taxation and entitlements. Some government workers are obviously necessary but when government workers exceed private sector workers the system will crumble.

    If the government is going to take away your hard earned rewards if you do become successful where is the incentive to bust your a$$ to achieve success in this country. If you have the skills of say Steve Jobs your going to go to a country that wants you to succeed and create jobs for others. Like it or not that's how it works.



  23. Stephen Okula
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    10/21/2012 1:10 AM
    Albert Kronwall said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: It is ironic to me how the left and right accuse each other of the same things. I see Obama's plan as helping students and the unemployed get educated and gainfully employed, possibly running their own business. In addition, people who work for the government provide services that the citizens demand AND government employees pay taxes.


    Government doesn't produce anything to make money, it can only print money and redistribute other people's wealth through taxation and entitlements. Some government workers are obviously necessary but when government workers exceed private sector workers the system will crumble.

    If the government is going to take away your hard earned rewards if you do become successful where is the incentive to bust your a$$ to achieve success in this country. If you have the skills of say Steve Jobs your going to go to a country that wants you to succeed and create jobs for others. Like it or not that's how it works.


    Roads, bridges, infrastructure, sewers, police, courts, defense, education - none of this has any part at all in the creation of wealth?

    How many government jobs has Obama created?

    What other country will you go to?



  24. McCallum David K
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    10/21/2012 6:10 AM
    France? Note the perfect puncuation and limited use of periods.



  25. Stephen Okula
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    10/21/2012 7:10 AM
    David McCallum said: France? Note the perfect puncuation and limited use of periods.


    Very good David, your English is coming along nicely.

    You think Obama is bad? You should try the new French president, François Hollande, he makes Obama look like a free market extremist. Hollande's solution fro unemployment is to raise taxes on the private sector, both individuals and corporations, and use the money to hire more government clerks in an already grossly bloated bureacracy. It's appalling. French investors and entrepeneurs are fleeing the country for the U.K. Belgium, Luxembourg, and yes, the good ol' USA.

    You won't find another civilized country, one with a developed infrastructure and rule of law, that isn't more socialist than the US. That Americans can avoid socialism by moving abroad is a fallacy.



  26. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/21/2012 12:10 PM
    [img">http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/scottcgcs/anderson01.jpg[/img">



  27. Albert Kronwall
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    10/21/2012 12:10 PM
    Where has Apple and many other companies moved their production to? China. China already holds more USA debt than any other country and now thanks to this administration our jobs are moving there as well. China has allowed capitalism to flourish and they are reaping the rewards.



  28. James Schmid
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    10/21/2012 5:10 PM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    Albert Kronwall said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: It is ironic to me how the left and right accuse each other of the same things. I see Obama's plan as helping students and the unemployed get educated and gainfully employed, possibly running their own business. In addition, people who work for the government provide services that the citizens demand AND government employees pay taxes.


    Government doesn't produce anything to make money, it can only print money and redistribute other people's wealth through taxation and entitlements. Some government workers are obviously necessary but when government workers exceed private sector workers the system will crumble.

    If the government is going to take away your hard earned rewards if you do become successful where is the incentive to bust your a$$ to achieve success in this country. If you have the skills of say Steve Jobs your going to go to a country that wants you to succeed and create jobs for others. Like it or not that's how it works.


    Roads, bridges, infrastructure, sewers, police, courts, defense, education - none of this has any part at all in the creation of wealth?

    How many government jobs has Obama created?

    What other country will you go to?


    Don't forget to add intelectual property, patent, and trademark protection. Some would argue that those are critical components to the creation of wealth in a civilized society, probably even Steve Jobs.



  29. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/22/2012 8:10 AM
    Probably the best thing that could happen to this country would be a Romney presidency. That would put us completely back in the ditch, define the idiocy of the Tea Party and end the GOP. If only we could achieve that without having war with Iran and Russia. That is not likely, but if it must be then so be it. Hoowah!



  30. Stephen Okula
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    10/22/2012 2:10 PM
    Albert Kronwall said: Where has Apple and many other companies moved their production to? China. China already holds more USA debt than any other country and now thanks to this administration our jobs are moving there as well. China has allowed capitalism to flourish and they are reaping the rewards.


    You should go live there, then. Let us know how you like it.



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