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Republican debate 1-17-12

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  1. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    1/17/2012 7:01 AM
    Watched some of the debate last night,

    Thought there were some good ideas when it came to helping the unemployed or those receiving unemployment insurance. The candidates were stating that the recipients should be getting some job training for new skills. As Newt said, 99 weeks of unemployment equals an AA degree.

    My questions are: 1. How do these training programs get paid for? With the government slashing budgets, I don't know how it gets paid for? (I know some could come from businesses that are experiencing shortages for certain skills and positions but what encourages them, unless they are seeing a demand for their service or product?) I am guessing this is one advantage of unions as they can do training.
    2. How does one go ahead and go back and get an AA degree when their is talk about cutting student aid and funds?
    3. When does this kick in? Right when one signs up for unemployment or is there a grace period?
    4. How about those with advanced degrees or in a specific business such as ourselves? Hey can I take a web cast to fulfill my training?

    Just wondering.

    Thanks, Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  2. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    1/19/2012 9:01 AM
    Well the person could always knock on the door of a company they want to work for, show their willingness to work, and ask for an entry level position that may not pay much now, but over years of more experience and training could work out to a good career. Problem with this is that unemployment pays more than an entry level position at most places and people wont leave the teet if it means less money, even if future advancements are possible.

    And dont tell me thats easy for me to say, I know 6 or 7 people in my town that have refused jobs with low pay because they can make more on unemployment. If you want more of something, incentivise it. And our govt has incentivised unemployment by allowing people to stay on too long and not require anything for it. How about taking anyone on unemployment and put them to work in order to keep receiving it. Like cleaning the sides of the highways, washing govt vehicles, working at a factory learning a trade, building something. If they still had to get out of the house and do something for that money they would respect it a lot more



  3. McCallum David K
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    1/19/2012 9:01 AM
    A side but similar to the topic........yesterday two of the casino's in town held job fairs. Four hundred showed up at one and about 200 at the second casino which is still under construction. They (the one under construction) were interviewing for 90 management postions........no idea what these managerial postions actually are. But the head of HR was interviewed last night on TV and she expressed her amazement at the number of interviewees showing up in in appropriate attire, out dated resume's and even some with resume's with handwritten notes in the margins. Hmmm you think job training can help these idiots? Guess they just wanted one of those spiffy uniforms they wear.



  4. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    1/19/2012 10:01 AM
    Dennis I get what you are saying but how is it different then when we ask those in a higher income tax bracket to pay a little more? "hey you can take less money working that minimum wage job, despite you were making $20 an hour as a carpenter". I do agree when there are jobs available, it would be good if people would take them, but what about when businesses just aren't hiring? Some of your suggestions such as cleaning sides of roads, washing vehicles for the state, are the states in their tight budgets willing to even spend the money on the supplies and transport even if the labor was "free"? Working at a business getting training, there is a cost to that business, even if they get a long term benefit? Are business willing to invest? There is a cost to these ideas that in my opinion the right doesn't want to bare, and the left wants to pay for with more taxes. What about compromises, I think some tax incentives to businesses try to encourage this, but when those incentive are given, there is a part of the cost of normal (and if anyone can define that) government business and spending that can't be paid for. (I guess we need to find that deal about what rate of taxes and what incentives and loop holes to close).

    I also think is some regards Dennis, you are talking about someone looking for a career compared to someone looking for a job, career seekers are probably more willing to accept a job in a business at slave wages (sort of like our summer interns) busting their butts to prove their capabilities and it usually ends up paying off in the end, but boy is someone getting taken advantage of and there are those that would take advantage of the labor and don't care. Some people are really just looking for jobs to support themselves and then in turn enjoy their and their families lives. I see a need for both types of employees, cause I can't afford to have 5 assistants and 2 crew members, (not that it would be great to have a crew like that).

    I guess what I'm trying to point out at is we really need to look at both sides of the picture and the politicians don't seem to be doing that, or they just like to talk without being specific, of course when both sides are going to stand on their sides of the playground.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  5. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    1/19/2012 10:01 AM
    David McCallum said: A side but similar to the topic........yesterday two of the casino's in town held job fairs. Four hundred showed up at one and about 200 at the second casino which is still under construction. They (the one under construction) were interviewing for 90 management postions........no idea what these managerial postions actually are. But the head of HR was interviewed last night on TV and she expressed her amazement at the number of interviewees showing up in in appropriate attire, out dated resume's and even some with resume's with handwritten notes in the margins. Hmmm you think job training can help these idiots? Guess they just wanted one of those spiffy uniforms they wear.


    Good info for us to ponder David, I know some of those people probably didn't even bother to learn about job training opportunities, and the local governments usually try to help, but with their funds cut are they able to help with job training skills? Could the casino's have supported some job training seminars to help prepare prospective employees and maybe even identify prospective employees? Is the education system failing to provide some of these job training skills?

    Both sides are losing in my opinion.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  6. Gary Carls
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    20 posts
    1/24/2012 8:01 AM
    Not much into politics but as I was flipping through channels last night I did catch a comment by Mitt Romney about Obama playing "90 rounds of golf in the past year" instead of doing what he is supposed to be doing. Can't believe Obama had time for 90 rounds in the last year, maybe since taking office? Anyway, doesn't look like Romney is any fan of golf. I guess it just struck me as odd that he brought up golf to begin with but I guess that's the way the political game is played.

    Gary K. Carls, CGCS, President - Oakland Turfgrass Education Initiative

  7. Steven Huffstutler
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    11 posts
    1/24/2012 2:01 PM
    Romney was too busy hiding money in the Caymans to play much golf.



  8. Wahlin Scott B
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    1/24/2012 2:01 PM
    It was 30 rounds per year for three years. That is an average of 2 hours per week for recreation.



  9. Samuel Leatherberry
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    1/24/2012 4:01 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: It was 30 rounds per year for three years. That is an average of 2 hours per week for recreation.


    I didn't know liberals could do math.



  10. Wahlin Scott B
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    1/24/2012 4:01 PM
    Samuel Leatherberry said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: It was 30 rounds per year for three years. That is an average of 2 hours per week for recreation.


    I didn't know liberals could do math.


    I did know that conservatives were not clever.



  11. McCallum David K
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    1/25/2012 6:01 AM
    Twice a week......same as me........maybe I might get in his game.........never played Congressional.



  12. Peter Bowman
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    1/25/2012 7:01 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: It was 30 rounds per year for three years. That is an average of 2 hours per week for recreation.


    Don't forget to add in basketball and Hawaii beach time.



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