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  1. Ronald Kirkman
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    8/29/2012 10:08 PM
    Greetings;

    Question - We probably have thousands of innocent babies aborted yearly in the USA. Is this legal ? If so, why do we keep 95% of all death row inmates alive.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  2. Peter Bowman
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    8/29/2012 10:08 PM
    Ronald Kirkman said: Greetings;

    Question - We probably have thousands of innocent babies aborted yearly in the USA. Is this legal ? If so, why do we keep 95% of all death row inmates alive.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA


    Because the death-row inmates have a right to appeal?



  3. McCallum David K
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    8/30/2012 7:08 AM
    Captain good question and Pete is right on. As a non practicing catholic any longer I still consider myself pro life. It's a person issue and not a deal breaker for me in regards to politics............at some point we all will deal with what we do here on earth at another time and place if you have faith.

    I have had this discussion with Steve O on more than one occasion. Would gladly, even happily give up the death penalty option in exchange of abortion on demand as a means of birth control. It is cheaper to keep a guy in prison for life and let him deal with it than in solitary confinement with the 10 years appeals process. Let them really enjoy their same sex marriage lifestyle........Bubba and Leroy make a good couple



  4. Sean Hoolehan
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    8/30/2012 8:08 AM
    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwFIEprF_9Y[/youtube">



  5. Melvin Waldron
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    8/30/2012 9:08 AM
    I'm with David on this I think, with probably this exception (depending how I'm reading David's post, we might be pretty close to agreeing 95 - 100%), it's the person's decision with their family, they will deal with the consequences of the choice they make when they meet our maker who is our ultimate judge, who is to say, maybe he is ok with it when it comes to mothers health and rape and incest? Anyone ask him? I know and would hope to never have to make that decision myself. I think I know what the my answer is.

    I don't know why the right feels it is such important part of their politics and platform. Especially the no exception laws. Come on even to save the mother? That's two murders if you look at it in my opinion. All this talk of smaller government except for this? I thought they went to Washington and the state houses to create jobs? I have to be careful not to steer this thread away from the intended topic.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  6. Sean Hoolehan
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    8/30/2012 10:08 AM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    I don't know why the right feels it is such important part of their politics and platform. Especially the no exception laws. Come on even to save the mother? That's two murders if you look at it in my opinion. [u">OK Mel, I'll except that under your above premise that abortion to save the mothers life is legal (a very rare exception) but Obama has a record of going way beyond this to support abortion. He is a radical pro-abortion politician, watch the video I posted. [/u">

    Mel


    Sean



  7. Melvin Waldron
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    8/30/2012 11:08 AM
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    I don't know why the right feels it is such important part of their politics and platform. Especially the no exception laws. Come on even to save the mother? That's two murders if you look at it in my opinion. [u">OK Mel, I'll except that under your above premise that abortion to save the mothers life is legal (a very rare exception) but Obama has a record of going way beyond this to support abortion. He is a radical pro-abortion politician, watch the video I posted. [/u">

    Mel


    Sean


    Sean,

    I 'll take a look at it hopefully when I get home today, City blocks out YouTube so I guess we can get work done? Also have family visiting as our son Nick has his first half-time show of the year if Isaac cooperates, so I won't have a lot of time.

    As for President Obama, I don't follow his policy as closely as I probably should since he is allowing the people to make their own choice, I guess there can be debate on how it's paid for and why people choose to have them, but can't really comment intelligently (well I don't know if I comment intelligently anyway) until I see the video. Like I said before, I'm not in favor of them myself, but why should I be making some choice for others? That is their business, in a similar way but maybe not as drastic, but could be depending on the situation, why should someone else be making health-care decisions for me or my family? I know a simple statement because there are a lot of factors, so hopefully you understand what I mean.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  8. McCallum David K
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    8/31/2012 7:08 AM
    In watching the Republican National Convention this week during the coming and going of Isaac very little if any emphasis was placed on the two topics that the Dems plan on hammering on next week. Abortion aimed at Aiken and same sex or gay marriage. Almost to a person these speakers at the RNC mentioned faith and what this country was built on.....they stressed individual freedoms and consequences for your choices. If I were from Florida I would be very proud to call Marco Rubio my US Senator.

    After watching the convention and hearing Mitt's speech last night I feel much better. If the president wants to talk and debate the issues..............jobs, jobs, jobs, economy, economy, Medicare, social security, reigning in entitlements before we all are buried under their collapse, tax reform, debit reduction and getting our military out of Afghanistan before our allies kill us all............there are in trouble. Now if he wants to deflect from the issues and discuss contraception, abortion, the sacrificial lamb Aiken and 10 years of tax returns then they may again fool enough of the American people to win.........lets hope now, we can;t afford another 4 years of that clown.



  9. Melvin Waldron
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    8/31/2012 8:08 AM
    David McCallum said: In watching the Republican National Convention this week during the coming and going of Isaac very little if any emphasis was placed on the two topics that the Dems plan on hammering on next week. Abortion aimed at Aiken and same sex or gay marriage. Almost to a person these speakers at the RNC mentioned faith and what this country was built on.....they stressed individual freedoms and consequences for your choices. If I were from Florida I would be very proud to call Marco Rubio my US Senator.

    After watching the convention and hearing Mitt's speech last night I feel much better. If the president wants to talk and debate the issues..............jobs, jobs, jobs, economy, economy, Medicare, social security, reigning in entitlements before we all are buried under their collapse, tax reform, debit reduction and getting our military out of Afghanistan before our allies kill us all............there are in trouble. Now if he wants to deflect from the issues and discuss contraception, abortion, the sacrificial lamb Aiken and 10 years of tax returns then they may again fool enough of the American people to win.........lets hope now, we can;t afford another 4 years of that clown.


    I thought Mitt didn't want to get out of Afghanistan, I didn't hear anything about that last night, I did hear him talk some about foreign policy something about not letting Iran build it's nuclear arsenal? Didn't the Obama Administration hack Iran's computers setting them back? Romeny seemed to talk the GWB talk, I don't think we want to go back to that, but if we do I hope they budget for the wars this time. While he waxed poetically (which is what they do at a convention) he didn't really give any detail or substance.

    I agree Senator Rubio had a great story, his parents worked very hard to provide for their children, I applaud them for that, my dad did the same thing, until I was old enough to start working and earning some money and he started getting too old to be doing that, I always remember my dad having two jobs, even when he was serving in the military, but why do they have to work two jobs? Can't we pay decent enough wages to people so they don't have to do it? I too remember working two jobs in the winter when we only would work 40 hours. I know the idea of working two jobs to help pay for stuff, I was saving for a house down payment, dad to help save for college, while I was able to get student loans as well along with a couple of pell grants, I guess under republican leadership we will all have to go back to working two jobs when those programs to help educate our kids get cut. I just hope I can find that second job.

    I get a kick out of Senator Sanatorium who proudly talks about his grandfather working in the coal mines until he was 70, great story, but why did he have to do that? No social security? The company didn't provide pensions? There were no 401k's at the time? Funny though how the republicans policies seem to want to hurt the very thing these peoples family members could have relied on.

    Christie was great as he talked about shared sacrifice, but from what I read of the plans that are being provided, entitlements and help for the poor and middle class will be cut, along with taxes for the rich, they say taxes for us, but when they talk about tax reform the deductions that get brought up or interest rate deductions we take along with other tax breaks that the middle class uses, doesn't sound like shared sacrifice to me. Yes I want to be told the truth, but when we get the truth, we realize these aren't the guys we really want running things.

    Then there is the rock star Ryan, who told his big lie about the GM plant that the president had promised to save before he was elected. And Ryan complained and said it was Obama's fault....(hey I detect a pattern, it was the other guy's fault), the thing was GM announced the plant closing when Bush was still president, and who's to say what would have happened to it if GM had gone into bankruptcy like Gov. Romney wanted. Anyone catch Brian Williams interview with Congressman Ryan? Of course not your not going to watch that liberal news channel, but when Williams questioned Ryan over the facts of the GM plant, he tried to turn the subject to if GM would have gone through bankruptcy like Romney suggested....then Williams asked him, that nobody was willing to give GM the capital and money to refinance, then Ryan changed the subject.

    I think when the candidates get together and if they are allowed to debate, we will find out who has the better plans, we will get to the real answers about the $716 billion that the president is going to cut from medicare and compare it to the $716 billion in the Ryan plan, although Romney doesn't talk about that, and he does say he will not cut and will repeal the Obama /Romney care plans which will allow seniors to lose their donut hole in prescriptions, and also will not put one dent in the debt. Of course after both candidates talk, I will certainly have to go one of those fact checking websites.

    I hope you all please correct me on areas where I'm wrong, but these are the opinions I've formed from ALL of what I've been reading and hearing.

    Of course the real key to any forward movement in this country will be the people we elect to congress, hopefully people that will work together to get things done and not obstruct whoever is in the White House.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  10. Ronald Kirkman
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    8/31/2012 9:08 AM
    Mel,

    Look up somewhere and see how many deserving seniors receive social Security. Then try and find out who else gets S.S that never paid into it and then all the jail birds and others. You might be surprised.

    So my friend if you want to end the corruption in S. S. VOTE REPUBLICAN!!

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  11. Melvin Waldron
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    8/31/2012 10:08 AM
    Ronald Kirkman said: Mel,

    Look up somewhere and see how many deserving seniors receive social Security. Then try and find out who else gets S.S that never paid into it and then all the jail birds and others. You might be surprised.

    So my friend if you want to end the corruption in S. S. VOTE REPUBLICAN!!

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA


    I'll have to try that, also why don't you look up those that make something over $100,000 per year that don't contribute to Social Security either, as my father-in-law told us last night while we were watching, and he is still a big conservative, he's trying hard to look for something the republicans will say to convince him for his vote, but he has the concerns of the doughnut hole and of medicare, and he knows that his grandson benefits from the Affordable Care Act, of course he worries about his kids too. He is not happy with the current president, but is worried the current republican ticket will just take us back to Bush policies.

    I guess the republicans will end corruption in social security because they will try to end social security.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  12. Niemier Rick A
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    8/31/2012 6:08 PM
    To end corruption in S.S. vote Republican? :lol: Between 1969 and 2009 Republicans have held the office of President 31 out of 40 years. Have they ended corruption in S.S. in the 31 years they have previously held the office of President? It will take both parties to end corruption and that is why it will never happen.



  13. James Schmid
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    8/31/2012 9:08 PM
    Rick Niemier said: To end corruption in S.S. vote Republican? :lol: Between 1969 and 2009 Republicans have held the office of President 31 out of 40 years. Have they ended corruption in S.S. in the 31 years they have previously held the office of President? It will take both parties to end corruption and that is why it will never happen.


    There is no reason that the solution lies with the democrats and the republicans. Vote for somebody else entirely. The reason that all this BS continues is because we have two parties that are so far apart on everything that they cant compromise on anything. wheres the middle of the road party?

    Who actually shares all of the views of either of two parties?

    does anyone think that if people starting voting for candidates who are not associated with either of these parties that may lead to positive change?



  14. McCallum David K
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    9/1/2012 8:09 AM
    I agree, lots of blame to be shared by both parties on all issues.

    Mel what Ryan said was not a lie............though the plant had been slated for closure during the 2008 campaign Obama made the campaign promise not to let it happen..........another failed promise.............one of dozens and dozens that will restated over the next 70+ days.



  15. Ashton Alan W
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    9/1/2012 9:09 AM
    James Schmid said:
    Rick Niemier said: To end corruption in S.S. vote Republican? :lol: Between 1969 and 2009 Republicans have held the office of President 31 out of 40 years. Have they ended corruption in S.S. in the 31 years they have previously held the office of President? It will take both parties to end corruption and that is why it will never happen.


    There is no reason that the solution lies with the democrats and the republicans. Vote for somebody else entirely. The reason that all this BS continues is because we have two parties that are so far apart on everything that they cant compromise on anything. wheres the middle of the road party?
    Independents...

    Who actually shares all of the views of either of two parties?
    A minority (if they're honest with themselves)

    does anyone think that if people starting voting for candidates who are not associated with either of these parties that may lead to positive change?
    Yes, eventually.



  16. Peter Bowman
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    9/1/2012 9:09 AM
    James Schmid said: .... wheres the middle of the road party?

    Middle of the road is a dangerous place. People tend to get run over there.



  17. Melvin Waldron
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    9/1/2012 8:09 PM
    David McCallum said: I agree, lots of blame to be shared by both parties on all issues.

    Mel what Ryan said was not a lie............though the plant had been slated for closure during the 2008 campaign Obama made the campaign promise not to let it happen..........another failed promise.............one of dozens and dozens that will restated over the next 70+ days.


    Well David, maybe it is all how you want to spin it. I guess candidate Obama lied because he promised the plant would stay open with government help, well maybe or maybe not, the plant had been slated for closure before Obama was elected. Maybe if it hadn't closed before Obama took office and offered the auto bailout, (his offer of government help) maybe that could have been part of the deal, and the plant wouldn't have closed. What Ryan I guess said if I remember all of his statement, isn't an outright lie? He said candidate Obama promised not to close the plant, I guess I don't remember Congressman Ryan elaborating on the fact that it did close under the Bush administration, or had closed before President Obama took office, so I guess since he didn't mention those facts, maybe he didn't lie? But I know what Ryan said and the facts of the statement, and it won't change my opinion of his statement on the issue, it technically might not be a lie, but it's sure not the whole truth.

    I did hear probably part of President Obama's problem is he probably over promised, not thinking how much the republicans would block his plans. I would have probably thought the same thing when most of the his ideas on economic policy seems pretty middle of the road to me, tax credits when hiring, spending on infrastructure and highway projects, getting people to work, pretty much items republicans usually support. And the health care which mirrors a republican governor's plan that was put into place in his state. The president has worked at going after the terrorist, (much to the dislike of the far left of his own party) more like the republican party, if not even tougher since he had the military continue to look for bin Laden. His one big broken promise was closing Guantanamo, but I believe the republican blocked that because he wanted to bring them in and try them in civilian court, republicans disagreed, said civilian courts will not get the job done, yet we have seen the shoe bomber, the underwear bomber, both tried and convicted in civilian court, that's just since President Obama has been in office, that doesn't count all those tried in civilian courts earlier like the blind sheik and all those that bombed the World Trade Center in the 90's. Just my opinions of course.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  18. McCallum David K
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    9/2/2012 10:09 AM
    Mel for two FULL YEARS Obama and the democrats controlled the White House and BOTH houses of congress. What could the republicans block for all of 2009 and 10 months of 2010.............they did not control the votes in either branch. They didnt have ID cards .................they couldn;t vote remember



  19. Wahlin Scott B
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    9/2/2012 10:09 AM
    David McCallum said: Mel for two FULL YEARS Obama and the democrats controlled the White House and BOTH houses of congress. What could the republicans block for all of 2009 and 10 months of 2010.............they did not control the votes in either branch. They didnt have ID cards .................they couldn;t vote remember


    They got healthcare done, something that had been in the works for generations.



  20. Melvin Waldron
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    9/2/2012 11:09 AM
    David McCallum said: Mel for two FULL YEARS Obama and the democrats controlled the White House and BOTH houses of congress. What could the republicans block for all of 2009 and 10 months of 2010.............they did not control the votes in either branch. They didnt have ID cards .................they couldn;t vote remember


    [quote">What a surprise! Schock repeats the big GOP lie
    June 16, 2012|Eric Zorn | Change of Subject



    U.S. Rep. Aaron Schock, R-Peoria, left, campaigning in March with Illinois state Treasurer Dan Rutherford and Ann and Mitt Romney, complained that President Barack Obama had "complete, unadulterated control" of Congress for two years. (Nancy Stone, Chicago Tribune)"For two years he had complete, unadulterated control of the federal government, a 60-seat majority in the Senate, an 80-plus seat majority in the House. He got every — literally every — piece of legislation he wanted, to try and, quote, turn around the economy …"

    — U.S. Rep. Aaron Schock, on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" a Peoria-area Republican, was referring Tuesday to the period between January 2009, when Barack Obama was sworn into office, and January 2011, when a newly elected Republican majority swept into the House of Representatives.

    But the first requirement to have "complete, unadulterated control" of Congress is to command a filibuster-proof 60-vote majority in the Senate, and the Democrats didn't have that when Obama became president.

    Minnesota Democrat Al Franken, the prospective 60th vote, was locked in a bitter recount battle. By the time Franken was sworn in — July 7, 2009 — Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Ted Kennedy was too ill to participate in the legislative process. Project Vote Smart records reflect that Kennedy stopped voting on major bills in late March.

    He died in late August. His temporary replacement, Democrat Paul G. Kirk, was sworn in Sept. 24 and served until the Feb 4, 2010, swearing-in of Republican Scott Brown, winner of the special election to finish the balance of Kennedy's term.

    Congressional records reflect that the Senate was in session for 72 days during the four months and one week (of the nearly 41 months Obama has so far been in office) that the Democrats actually had a filibuster-proof majority — not a particularly long time in the deliberately pokey upper chamber.

    But even in this window Obama's "control" of the Senate was incomplete and highly adulterated due to the balkiness of the so-called Blue Dog conservative and moderate Democratic senators such as Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Evan Bayh of Indiana and Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas.

    The claim that Obama ruled like a monarch over Congress for two years — endlessly intoned as a talking point by Republicans — is more than just a misremembering of recent history or excited overstatement. It's a lie.

    It's meant to represent that Obama's had his chance to try out his ideas, and to obscure and deny the relentless GOP obstructionism and Democratic factionalism he's encountered since Day One.

    They seem to figure if they repeat this often enough, you'll believe it.


    I guess the president didn't not have as much control as you all think. I will say that the president maybe could have been a little more forceful when trying to work on legislation, be a more outspoken leader, but I also understand there are different styles of leadership that are effective. Heard Tom Freidman this morning on "Meet the Press" that the president should have took the message to the people and had us get on our congressinal represenitives to get things done.

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  21. Melvin Waldron
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    9/2/2012 12:09 PM
    David McCallum said: I agree, lots of blame to be shared by both parties on all issues.

    Mel what Ryan said was not a lie............though the plant had been slated for closure during the 2008 campaign Obama made the campaign promise not to let it happen..........another failed promise.............one of dozens and dozens that will restated over the next 70+ days.


    [quote">
    Check the Facts

    TAMPA, Fla. — Paul Ryan's acceptance speech at the Republican convention con­tained several false claims and misleading statements.

    Here are a few:

    » Ryan accused President Obama's health care law of funneling money away from Medicare "at the expense of the elderly."

    In fact, Medicare's chief actuary says at the end of the most recent report of the system's trustees that the law "substantially improves" the system's finances, and Ryan himself has embraced the same savings.

    Ryan himself proposed keeping most of these same spending cuts in his most recent "Path to Prosperity" budget. Yet, Ryan criticized Obama's cuts as "the biggest, coldest power play of all" and suggested seniors would suf­fer as a result.

    The Affordable Care Act calls for a $716 billion reduction in the future growth of Medicare spending over 10 years, with most of that — about $415 billion — coming from a reduction in the future growth of pay­ments to hospitals through Medicare Part A. And Medi­care Part A's trust fund, as we've explained before, is in trouble financially.

    » He accused Obama of doing "exactly nothing" about recommendations from a bipartisan presidential com­mission to reduce the deficit.

    But Ryan himself was among a minority of commission members whose opposition scuttled the plan and prevent­ed it from being sent auto­matically to Congress for action.

    The National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform's report proposed deep spending cuts in both domestic and military spend­ing, and an overhaul of the tax code that would have lowered rates but raised revenues — all in an attempt to slow the growth of government by $4 trillion over 10 years.

    The 18-member commis­sion needed a supermajority of 14 votes in order to bring the report to a vote in Con­gress. But it received the support of just 11 members.

    Seven members, including Ryan, opposed it, thus block­ing congressional action.

    » Claimed the American people were "cut out" of stim­ulus spending. Actually, more than a quarter of all stimulus dollars went for tax relief for workers.

    The nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation calculated that about $230 billion of the American Re­covery and Reinvestment Act provided tax relief. Much of that money, about $116 billion, funded the Making Work Pay tax credit for workers. In 2009 and 2010, the credit gave up to $400 to individuals earn­ing up to $75,000, and gave up to $800 to couples earning up to $150,000.

    » He cited the closing of a GM plant in his hometown of Janesville, Wis., as evidence of Obama's failing to deliver on promises made in the 2008 presidential campaign. But as it happens, the plant closed Dec. 23, 2008, before Obama even took office.

    Here's what Obama told workers during a campaign stop at the struggling GM plant in Janesville in 2008: "And I believe that if our government is there to sup­port you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. The question is not whether a clean energy economy is in our future, it's where it will thrive. I want it to thrive. …

    » He blamed Obama for the loss of a AAA credit rat­ing for the United States.

    Actually, in its report, Stan­dard & Poor's blamed both Republicans and Democrats for failing to agree on spend­ing cuts or revenue increases sufficient to reduce U.S. def­icits significantly.

    Ryan is among those Re­publicans opposed to any "new revenues" from tax increases.


    This was from FactCheck.org

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  22. Stephen Okula
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    9/2/2012 12:09 PM
    David McCallum said: Captain good question and Pete is right on. As a non practicing catholic any longer I still consider myself pro life. It's a person issue and not a deal breaker for me in regards to politics............at some point we all will deal with what we do here on earth at another time and place if you have faith.

    I have had this discussion with Steve O on more than one occasion. Would gladly, even happily give up the death penalty option in exchange of abortion on demand as a means of birth control. It is cheaper to keep a guy in prison for life and let him deal with it than in solitary confinement with the 10 years appeals process. Let them really enjoy their same sex marriage lifestyle........Bubba and Leroy make a good couple


    To clarify what David is saying yes we discussed this issue and it is one of the few things we agree on. Either you value the sanctity of human life or you don't. If you do, then abortions and executions are out of the question.



  23. Melvin Waldron
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    9/4/2012 10:09 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    David McCallum said: Captain good question and Pete is right on. As a non practicing catholic any longer I still consider myself pro life. It's a person issue and not a deal breaker for me in regards to politics............at some point we all will deal with what we do here on earth at another time and place if you have faith.

    I have had this discussion with Steve O on more than one occasion. Would gladly, even happily give up the death penalty option in exchange of abortion on demand as a means of birth control. It is cheaper to keep a guy in prison for life and let him deal with it than in solitary confinement with the 10 years appeals process. Let them really enjoy their same sex marriage lifestyle........Bubba and Leroy make a good couple


    To clarify what David is saying yes we discussed this issue and it is one of the few things we agree on. Either you value the sanctity of human life or you don't. If you do, then abortions and executions are out of the question.


    Great point Steve, and also kudos to David and Sean for the passion on this subject. I can respect that even if I don't agree 100%, and my disagreement really is I feel it is about allowing people making their own choices that they have to live with. I can understand the frustration with those that make bad choices and we pay for it, but there are other instances where we have no business deciding what others should do based on health issues. Are we going to next challenge whether someone should receive medical treatments for diseases?

    I can see standing up for one's principles, but I also try to look at it from other sides as well. not being involved in a capital case where someone has killed a family member and been sentenced to death or having to make a decision about having an abortion for any reason, or just with exceptions, I can say what I think about them, but cannot really speak on authority, that is why I tend to stay out of both sides of these conversations. I really feel it is not my business, but I suppose it should be since we are discussing laws that are on the books. But we should listen to those that have had to live both. I look at the republican in the (I believe) Georgia house or Senate that did not vote on the abortion law with no exceptions, he had just gone through something with his daughter that her unborn baby had some really bad defect and if it even made it to term wouldn't have survived the birth, their family made that decision on what was best for them, he got run out of the legislature because of that one issue. We had something similar, our state congressman did not vote on some piece of legislation not because he wasn't right to life, but he felt the bill was flawed and wouldn't stand up to a court challenge. He got ran out of office as well. What about someone who had a family member killed what is the justice they think is fair?

    I guess the bigger question on it all is, why when elected to so many spots in 2010 running on the platform of creating more jobs, a better economy, the republicans didn't really work on those issues, they tried to ramrod more restrictive laws on abortions, they tried to change all these voter id laws, not what they were sent to do...of course that's my opinion, maybe they saw their mandate as something else?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

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