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MiniVerde pre-emerge for SU resistant Poa

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  1. Nicholas Johnson
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    3/9/2014 10:03 AM
    After making it through my first winter at a new course, I have encountered SU resistant Poa on the MiniVerde greens. Two applications of Revolver did absolutely nothing to the Poa, even when sprayed in warmer weather with some Ammonium Sulfate to help with uptake. We ended up have to pull all of the plants by hand which took forever and I would very much like to not repeat the endless hours of handpicking next year.

    I have encountered SU resistant Poa on TifEagle greens before, and after much research ended up spraying Kerb @ 1lb/A every 60 days starting October 1 with great success. The only problem with that strategy at this course is that our fairways and approaches are overseeded with Ryegrass. Even with our minimal undulations, the Kerb will run into the Ryegrass and take it out.

    Are there any options out there that will pre-emerge the Poa without harming the Ryegrass? Has anyone ever used Andersons Goose & Crab to pre-emerge Poa? I would think that the Oxadiazon component would control the Poa, but would be hesitant to apply it late in the fall when we cannot grow out of any potential herbicide injury. What if some activated charcoal was sprayed in the Ryegrass before the Kerb application to the greens? Would that counteract the movement of the Kerb?

    A lot of questions I know, I just want to try and put together a game plan for this fall while it is all still fresh on my mind.

    Thanks,



  2. Andy Jorgensen
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    3/9/2014 1:03 PM
    Check the label for Xonerate. Will remove Poa without injuring the rye. Need to see if labeled for greens.



  3. Brett Morris
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    3/9/2014 6:03 PM
    Do you adjust your pH for your SU's? A number of them can be affected by alkaline hydrolysis which can reduce their half life significantly.



  4. Keith Fellenstein
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    3/10/2014 11:03 AM
    Why are you worried about Kerb moving but not Revolver?



  5. Nicholas Johnson
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    3/10/2014 5:03 PM
    Thanks for the replies...

    Andy - When Xonerate first came out, I did some trials on the SU resistant Poa I had at my previous course. It worked fantastic on taking out Poa, even on the non-overseeded surfaces (419 tees, fairways and collars). I did hang a half boom over the TifEagle nursery just to see what it did and the results were not good. It didn't kill the bermuda, but it didn't look good for a long time.

    Brett - The ph of my water is 7.4. Bayer recommends a ph close to 7 for Revolver. Do you think that 0.4 could make a difference? The label recommends adding a buffer if the ph is less than 6, but mentions nothing if the ph is over 7.

    Keith - Good question. I guess in my experience I have seen Kerb run a lot farther than Revolver. After we sprayed Revolver this past year (spray hawked to minimize going too deep into the collars and closer to the Ryegrass) we ran a few minutes of water in front of the rollers for a few days to knock the dew down and it seemed to work as we didn't have any movement into the Ryegrass. In your opinion, do you think the mobility of Kerb is greater than or equal to Revolver?

    Thanks again,



  6. Graham Kornmeyer
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    3/10/2014 6:03 PM
    I'm not a fan of Revolver for poa on Bermuda greens, I prefer Monument at 5 grams/A. If that doesn't work Kerb..



  7. Keith Fellenstein
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    3/12/2014 11:03 AM
    I don't have experience with Kerb but have heard it is very mobile. My experience with Revolver is much like yours.



  8. David Stout
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    3/27/2014 9:03 PM
    Revolver has worked well for poa and rouge rye removal from our non overseeded mini verde. I've favored it as it doesn't run as much as monument. pH for SU products are huge. Ammonium sulfate may have moved you the wrong way. I prefer urea when using those products.
    I can't speak for kerb as I haven't used it for almost 15 years.....on our soils, that one moves a lot.



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