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1. Hardy Andrew

   
   8/18/2012 7:08 AM

   I remember the old incarnation of these forums being an amazing resource. Its wild that a group of 4 or 5 "Gentlemen" have completely ruined these forums. Sad really.

   
   
   
   
2. Larry Allan

   

   0 posts
   
   8/18/2012 12:08 PM

   Sorry Andrew. I'll shut up now

   
   
   
   
3. Wahlin Scott B

   
   8/18/2012 1:08 PM

   Andrew Hardy said: I remember the old incarnation of these forums being an amazing resource. Its wild that a group of 4 or 5 "Gentlemen" have completely ruined these forums. Sad really.

   
   
   How long do you think the forums have been ruined? I can tell you they were pretty rugged 12 years ago.

   
   
   
   
4. Ronald Conard

   

   4 posts
   
   8/18/2012 1:08 PM

   Didn't Andrew cry about this a few weeks or months ago? But he is still here....

   
   
   
   
5. Keith Lamb

   

   3 posts
   
   8/18/2012 3:08 PM

   I blame Canada.

   
   
   
   
6. Hardy Andrew

   
   8/18/2012 3:08 PM

   Ironic that not one of you was one of the people I had in mind. Oh well, can't please the masses. I wasn't on here 12 years ago so I am not aware of how rough those times were. I don't cry Mr. Conrad, let alone for the shallow stupidity of remarks like yours.
   
   As this is an open forum I figured that I too had the right to express an opinion. It just seems as though a few people can ruin an entire topic in a flash. Again just an opinion. So I will surrender my right to this forum and move along. Hopefully someone at the GCSAA can get this medium back on track.
   
   Enjoy the rest of your season gents.
   
   PS- Larry I'm still bringing beers down this fall you can't loose me that easy

   
   
   
   
7. Melvin Waldron

   

   43 posts
   
   8/18/2012 8:08 PM

   Andrew Hardy said: Ironic that not one of you was one of the people I had in mind. Oh well, can't please the masses. I wasn't on here 12 years ago so I am not aware of how rough those times were. I don't cry Mr. Conrad, let alone for the shallow stupidity of remarks like yours.
   
   As this is an open forum I figured that I too had the right to express an opinion. It just seems as though a few people can ruin an entire topic in a flash. Again just an opinion. So I will surrender my right to this forum and move along. Hopefully someone at the GCSAA can get this medium back on track.
   Enjoy the rest of your season gents.
   
   PS- Larry I'm still bringing beers down this fall you can't loose me that easy

   
   
   I thought GCSAA did by creating some other threads and areas so there was less chance of post getting hi-jacked in the more technical or professional threads. Yet it has allowed for some non-golf items to be discussed, I have actually learned from many of those as well. I remember the many post that had UPB in the title. I haven't seen that in so long I almost forget what it meant.
   
   Of course that's just my opinion.
   
   Mel

   
   Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
   
   
8. Keith Lamb

   

   3 posts
   
   8/18/2012 9:08 PM

   If we can guess who the 4-5 "Gentleman" are, maybe Andrew will send you a pound of back bacon.
   
   My money is on.......Pete, DMac, Mel, Conard, and Huff. Bunch of Merkin troublemakers if you ask me.

   
   
   
   
9. Ronald Conard

   

   4 posts
   
   8/19/2012 6:08 AM

   Andrew Hardy said: Ironic that not one of you was one of the people I had in mind. Oh well, can't please the masses. I wasn't on here 12 years ago so I am not aware of how rough those times were. I don't cry Mr. Conrad, let alone for the shallow stupidity of remarks like yours.
   
   

   
   
   Ok, you pick the verb then. Pontificate, harangue, edify, whine, admonish?

   
   
   
   
10. Hardy Andrew

    
    8/19/2012 7:08 AM

    Its amazing that every post after my original proves my point. You're all idiots and maybe my math was short sighted. Good job guys way to set a strong example for young Supers and Assistants out there.

    
    
    
    
11. David Brandenburg

    

    3 posts
    
    8/19/2012 8:08 AM

    I just ignore the topics or posts that do not interest me and answer when I think I can help. I think the forum is as good as you make it and has not changed much since it started.

    
    
    
    
12. Wahlin Scott B

    
    8/19/2012 9:08 AM

    The key word here is "amazing" and Andrew is correct, everyone who posts on here except Andrew and I are idiots!

    
    
    
    
13. Spotts David A

    
    8/19/2012 9:08 AM

    Andrew Hardy said: Its amazing that every post after my original proves my point. You're all idiots and maybe my math was short sighted. Good job guys way to set a strong example for young Supers and Assistants out there.

    
    I guess you lead by example by calling us all idiots. You're asst. must be proud of the strong example you set.

    
    
    
    
14. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    8/19/2012 4:08 PM

    It can't be me....I've never been called a gentleman.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
15. Larry Allan

    

    0 posts
    
    8/20/2012 5:08 AM

    Andrew, the secret of the forums is that you wade through all of the psycho babble and look for the little gems.

    
    
    
    
16. McCallum David K

    
    8/20/2012 7:08 AM

    Keith I am offended..............you left Scott out of the group.
    
    Andrew you may be correct on selected forums but I think you'll find in this category, turf talk, shop talk, pest control, techy stuff......the topics are to the point and truly those responding try to provide usefull information to those asking for it. Now sports, TIO and politics are birds of a different feather........if you can;t stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. And I see you are an enabler as well since you are bringing booze to Redneck Billy.

    
    
    
    
17. Keith Lamb

    

    3 posts
    
    8/20/2012 7:08 AM

    Scott had already commented and he stated it wasn't any of us. I just figured he skipped over Conard, as we all know he's on everyone's list.
    
    Also to Andy....This topic is the wrong section of the forums. If you want to whine, that belongs in TIO. You may want to stick to your blog. I think the forums are beneath you. With all of your years of experience, you probably know it all already. Not sure why you are wasting your time here. I think most of us have learned to filter out what we need. You may want to get yours cleaned.

    
    
    
    
18. Sean Hoolehan

    

    0 posts
    
    8/20/2012 8:08 AM

    Andrew Hardy said: I remember the old incarnation of these forums being an amazing resource. Its wild that a group of 4 or 5 "Gentlemen" have completely ruined these forums. Sad really.

    
    
    Andrew,
    
    Simply use the tools the Forums offer and block the members who you are tried of reading. You will still see if they have posted but you will not have to read it, and you can quickly tell a topic is being hijacked or at the least dominated by the select few who use GCSAA forums for recreation (nothing wrong with that). Generally they tend to keep it professional in the Golf Management section but you kind of called them out here (I am assuming to prove your point which you did). I was with a group of GCSAA members this weekend and I guess your sentiments are shared by quite a few on Twitter. I have found since I began blocking messages that I can get through the forums quicker. I have gone from reading the forums almost daily to checking only a couple of time a week. I think many members have gone to creating their own networks by using Twitter and other forms of social media. Perhaps forums like these are not as relevant today anyway.

    
    
    
    
19. Ronald Kirkman

    

    42 posts
    
    8/20/2012 10:08 AM

    Come on you guys, you know Andrew is talking about Democrats.
    
    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA 02492

    
    
    
    
20. Larry Allan

    

    0 posts
    
    8/20/2012 12:08 PM

    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said:

    Andrew Hardy said: I remember the old incarnation of these forums being an amazing resource. Its wild that a group of 4 or 5 "Gentlemen" have completely ruined these forums. Sad really.

    
    
    Andrew,
    
    Simply use the tools the Forums offer and block the members who you are tried of reading. You will still see if they have posted but you will not have to read it, and you can quickly tell a topic is being hijacked or at the least dominated by the select few who use GCSAA forums for recreation (nothing wrong with that). Generally they tend to keep it professional in the Golf Management section but you kind of called them out here (I am assuming to prove your point which you did). I was with a group of GCSAA members this weekend and I guess your sentiments are shared by quite a few on Twitter. I have found since I began blocking messages that I can get through the forums quicker. I have gone from reading the forums almost daily to checking only a couple of time a week. I think many members have gone to creating their own networks by using Twitter and other forms of social media. Perhaps forums like these are not as relevant today anyway.

    
    
    Hope you get this Sean.
    I really hope the forums are still relevant and not everybody goes to "The New Media" I was on FaceBook at one time but had to bail. I failed to realize that what you wrote on a persons wall was visible to everyone. I had an awful lot of "splainin" to do after that episode. I have not gone back even though it seems that you can never truly leave. I can hardly imagine what pitfalls would await me on Twitter or some of the other sites. I may well be that OLD SUPER, that young Assistant was talking about, but the technology that really matters, like controlling the irrigation system, using the calculator, writing a coherent report on Word, and keeping track of my budget on XL I have down pat.
    I think the world is better off without me Twitting or Twating or whatever the verb is.

    
    
    
    
21. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    8/20/2012 12:08 PM

    Ronald Kirkman said: Come on you guys, you know Andrew is talking about Democrats.
    
    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA 02492

    
    
    Dang it I guess Andrew was talking about me? But then why did he leave Scott out then?
    
    And a quick hi to you Sean (since the last I knew I hadn't been blocked......yet), it's been awhile, I guess I'll go to the sports thread to tell you about your White Sox's getting swept by my lowly Royals.
    
    I know stop hi-jacking this thread......sorry.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
22. Sean Hoolehan

    

    0 posts
    
    8/20/2012 2:08 PM

    Hope you get this Sean.
    I really hope the forums are still relevant and not everybody goes to "The New Media" I was on FaceBook at one time but had to bail. I failed to realize that what you wrote on a persons wall was visible to everyone. I had an awful lot of "splainin" to do after that episode. I have not gone back even though it seems that you can never truly leave. I can hardly imagine what pitfalls would await me on Twitter or some of the other sites. I may well be that OLD SUPER, that young Assistant was talking about, but the technology that really matters, like controlling the irrigation system, using the calculator, writing a coherent report on Word, and keeping track of my budget on XL I have down pat.
    I think the world is better off without me Twitting or Twating or whatever the verb is.
    
    
    Larry,
    
    I said not [u">as[/u"> relevant. These forums are still worth following but they are missing a lot of potential members who have created their own business networks. I use facebook only with family and social friends not golf friends. I wonder if Facebook has already crossed into the decline stage .

    
    
    
    
23. Sean Hoolehan

    

    0 posts
    
    8/20/2012 2:08 PM

    I guess I'll go to the sports thread to tell you about your White Sox's getting swept by my lowly Royals.
    
    I know stop hi-jacking this thread......sorry.
    
    Mel
    Mel,
    I Hate You! (and I mean it this time!!!!)
    
    If your Royals can find a way to own the Tigers like you have owned the Sox I will unblock you.
    
    OK I'm over it. Your back in the unlocked category. I just had to vent a little, fortunately I have not heard from Sandy, probably too busy being President to crow about his Royals.

    
    
    
    
24. McCallum David K

    
    8/21/2012 8:08 AM

    Sean I think the bloom may be off the rose with Facebook.......value of the stock is down in the $18 range and come October when the original employee shareholders can finally unload their stock you'll find out what everyone thinks of Facebook as a company. An IPO that I had no interest in and glad I sat it out.

    
    
    
    
25. Peter Bowman

    

    11 posts
    
    8/21/2012 8:08 AM

    David McCallum said: Sean I think the bloom may be off the rose with Facebook.......value of the stock is down in the $18 range and come October when the original employee shareholders can finally unload their stock you'll find out what everyone thinks of Facebook as a company. An IPO that I had no interest in and glad I sat it out.

    
    
    
    Talk about amazing transitions! Nice work DMac.

    
    
    
    
26. Sandy Clark

    

    0 posts
    
    8/21/2012 9:08 AM

    Andrew, one lesson it would be wise to learn is that our industry appears to be quite large but in reality it is rather small and tight knit. I clearly remember a story years ago about a super that was leaving to go into sales. He had been on a chapter board and had constant battles with another super on the board. He made the big mistake of telling this guy what a jerk he thought he was and how now he didn't have to put up with his nonsense. Well, lo and behold, when he picked up his client files for his new sales position, guess who his largest customer turned out to be! That's right, that same super he just blasted. Many of us who have been around for quite some time have seen people change positions and companies and end up working for someone they competed against. Had they bad mouthed that competitor earlier, they would not have obtained that position. Word gets around quickly and it doesn't matter if it is sales, manager, professional or fellow super related. So as a word of advice while you are still a young super, it is best to keep negative comments from becoming public. It really doesn't matter who is right or wrong, you can end up labeled and eliminated from consideration with future opportunities. It is best to keep negative comments to yourself. Sometimes just writing them down a couple of times to vent your anger and then throwing them away is your best approach. I hope you take this to heart. I have been around this industry a long time. Trust me, I know how things work.

    
    
    
    
27. Hardy Andrew

    
    8/21/2012 5:08 PM

    Thanks for the tips all!! I will sit back and watch and input where I see fit. Call it a moment of clarity. In the meantime I will focus on keeping my course in top shape, expanding my network (believe it or not some people I was critical of made great points, my mistake), growing myself as a professional and a person and most of all focusing on my young family which includes twin boys with autism.
    
    Should any of you like to know more about me or my family you can follow my blog at http://pheasantturf.wordpress.com or on Twitter @pheasantturf or @PRTurfUpdates
    
    Some of you may find that considering my differing opinion to yours that I am a lot like the rest of you. Have a great rest of season everyone.
    
    Regards,

    
    
    
    
28. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    8/21/2012 9:08 PM

    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said:

    Andrew Hardy said: I remember the old incarnation of these forums being an amazing resource. Its wild that a group of 4 or 5 "Gentlemen" have completely ruined these forums. Sad really.

    
    
    Andrew,
    
    Simply use the tools the Forums offer and block the members who you are tried of reading. You will still see if they have posted but you will not have to read it, and you can quickly tell a topic is being hijacked or at the least dominated by the select few who use GCSAA forums for recreation (nothing wrong with that). Generally they tend to keep it professional in the Golf Management section but you kind of called them out here (I am assuming to prove your point which you did). I was with a group of GCSAA members this weekend and I guess your sentiments are shared by quite a few on Twitter. I have found since I began blocking messages that I can get through the forums quicker. I have gone from reading the forums almost daily to checking only a couple of time a week. I think many members have gone to creating their own networks by using Twitter and other forms of social media. Perhaps forums like these are not as relevant today anyway.

    
    
    Sean, am I reading this post correctly as to there are many superintendent's using twitter to communicate with each other? I don't see it....but I'm a dinosaur, kind of curious on how they do that. I've thought about signing up just so I can follow some of my favorite golfers, but just haven't.
    
    I do use facebook, but mostly with family and high school friends and some golf course friends/contacts. I'm not using it to learn about the golf business although I still learn from them on occasion.

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
29. Hardy Andrew

    
    8/22/2012 4:08 AM

    Mel,
    
    The turf community on Twitter is quite large. In fact venues such as TPC Sawgrass, Royal Lytham and Redstone GC used Twitter to provide course updates "up to the minute" during their respective tour events. I am following 350 people and 99% of them are turf related. Lots of open chatter among many different types and level of golf facility on maintenance practices, equipment and staffing etc. Basically all that these forums offer in 140 characters of less.

    
    
    
    
30. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    8/22/2012 10:08 AM

    Andrew Hardy said: Mel,
    
    The turf community on Twitter is quite large. In fact venues such as TPC Sawgrass, Royal Lytham and Redstone GC used Twitter to provide course updates "up to the minute" during their respective tour events. I am following 350 people and 99% of them are turf related. Lots of open chatter among many different types and level of golf facility on maintenance practices, equipment and staffing etc. Basically all that these forums offer in 140 characters of less.

    
    
    Thanks for the info, with only 140 characters that leaves me and Peach out.
    
    Question now is how do you receive this information? Through your e-mail? Do you have it sent to your phone? Do you need a smart phone? (I think I know the answer to that, we do follow our son's drumline instructors tweets and we get those, he gave us instructions and my wife fixed my phone for me, and we don't have smart phones for obvious reasons.) Would a constant stream of tweets to you phone be a distraction? Sounds like it could be informative, but when is too much information too much?
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO