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  1. Douglas Eggert
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    2/14/2012 6:02 PM
    For all the supers that have had large projects pushed on to you, eventhough they have nothing to do with your department, How did you handle it?

    Were you "excited" to do it?

    Were you compensated for it?

    Did you you tell your supervisor "No"?

    Were you allowed additional staffing to take care of your departmental needs?

    Were you allowed to let conditions be somewhat less than perfect, due to this project?

    Was this project pushed onto you and it was just expected you would do it?

    Any insight would be helpful...



  2. Wahlin Scott B
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    2/14/2012 7:02 PM
    What is the project?



  3. Douglas Eggert
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    1 posts
    2/14/2012 8:02 PM
    Add 1200 square foot elevated deck on the back of the clubhouse. Which includes tearing off the old decking material and resurfacing the whole thing... 16 poured concrete piers, 48" deep.



  4. Curtis Nickerson
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    2/14/2012 8:02 PM
    In this economic environment I happily take on any project asked of us...I always consult with a pro and make sure everyone understands the liability of the issues



  5. Andy Jorgensen
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    2/15/2012 5:02 AM
    We do anything, anytime, anywhere. We are often tasked with doing stuff outside the realm of normal golf maintenance. This includes picking up the slack or where someone else left off because they couldn't get the job done. My boss has come to realize that if she wants something done correctly, she asks us to do it.

    My job in any given day consists of 40% of my time being spent outside of the realm of golf, but still performing duties expected of me as a Golf Course Superintendent. Each of our responsibilities are different, and we each manage different areas. No, you might not see an increase in pay for performing these types of tasks, but it shows your value and commitment to the facility. When times get tough, this will set you apart from other employees that might get the ax.

    Now if you aren't experienced or certified to do a particular task, then by all means, turn it down. In your case, I think I would let the professionals build the deck.



  6. Hardy Andrew
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    2/15/2012 8:02 AM
    At my club the Owner will find someone to do it if I say no. Taking on tasks "out of the box" has certainly broadened my knowledge base. From new energy efficient lighting, to pouring a new wash pad and building a dock off our pumphouse to clean out the intake. Its all good as long as it keeps me employed year round.



  7. James Smith
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    2/15/2012 11:02 AM
    I will do almost anything that needs to be done with the exception of projects where the liability of not being a professional in that area may cause harm to my club or members.

    Saying that I require my club to give me advance notice of the projects and allow me time to research all of the issues involved with the project before telling them I can do it.

    Case in point; I can re-plumb the pipes to our swimming pool without any problems but I cannot work on the lighting system for that pool due to the hazards it may create to my members. While I do about 85% of all electrical work around the course at my club, I draw the line at areas with voltages above 440volts or in areas like the swimming pool. I would never place myself in a situation where I may have caused the death of an individual just to save my club a few hundred dollars.

    Pouring concrete pilings may be easy but what forces are going to be in play with those pilings (frost levels, sink age)? How high will they end up and what could be the worst thing that can happen if they fail? do you know what strength of concrete will be needed? will the pilings need wood pilings underneath to help support the concrete pilings? Building a deck on top of the pilings may be the easiest part of the job.

    While we wear many hats we need to be smart enough to say what hats we will not wear.



  8. Verdun Scott M
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    2/17/2012 9:02 AM
    As others have said, we are frequently asked to take on jobs outside of our "normal" duties. Recently my Assistant Supt. has had a difficult time with us taking on some duties involved with a clubhouse renovation and my message to him is that as long as they are asking us to do something that benefits the club then it's our job. I am a big believer that we can take advantage of these opportunities to show how valuable we are to the club.

    That said, I may ask to have someone else handle the cement work and install the pilings... the rest of the deck should be no problem to handle with a few good employees just be sure to fully communicate what happens when 3 guys aren't working on the course for those days. If they let you hire additional help look for someone who may have some carpentry background, a few years ago we had a laid off carpenter and equipment operator on staff, new roof on a few buildings, dump site and cartpaths never looked better.

    Personally I've never received direct additional pay for taking on additional projects but there have also been very few times I was disappointed with the pay raise I got at the start of a new fiscal year. As much as it may stink to deal with at the time, it's an opportunity to prove how many hats we wear as Supts.



  9. Wallace Jeffrey V
    Wallace Jeffrey V avatar
    2/17/2012 10:02 PM
    Interesting thread. And some very interesting comments. The "liability" comments are more than valid. The "compensation" comments are not. Are you the superintendent? Are you being paid?

    Are you on salary or hourly? If salary, do the work and don't expect extra compensation. You signed on for "salary", so guess what? You work all required hours. Unless you are the complaining type and like to look at "state laws" to see if you can get something extra. Then you're petty and probably shouldn't have been hired in the first place. You signed on the bottom line. Expect your employer to honor it and you do the same.

    If hourly, then obviously you will gain. With extra pay if over 40......then you win with overtime. That's great, and fair. That's what you signed up for. Hourly.

    Again, all comments about performing tasks that may make you potentially liable, or admittedly, have no knowledge of, are valid points. I also agree with all comments about hiring "suitable" contractors. But, as the superintendent, it is your job to care about, and to supervise all construction on the golf course.

    We had an ocean green completely destroyed in a typhoon. Both I and my two assistants were on salary. Everyone else was hourly. One assistant was put in charge of the golf course. The other assistant and I spent 40 straight days, at 12 hours a day, to completely rebuild this green. With the help of contractors. But, we were always there working along with the contractors. Not one single day off in 40 days. The one assistant kept my mind off the undamaged part of our course, the other one was by my side. Dawn to dusk. Both.....unbelievably invaluable.

    The savings to the club were immense, but the question of additional pay was never discussed. The hourly guys got rich......good for them. But, they were never paid unless they were on property. My salaried employees never got the "guilt trip" if they wanted time off. I knew their hours on property in my head. They busted tail when needed....and I never gave it a second thought when they needed time off. The owners knew it. It was my call. Never a complaint from HR.

    Again, great comments about hiring contractors that knew their business better than you, or where there was a potential liability. But, anyone complaining about extra compensation, if salaried, is in the wrong business. Every golf course superintendent should be ready to head to the course at any hour, for any reason. If you're on salary.....it may hurt. Make it up later. If you're hourly......you should hope you have a reason to head there at night!

    I can't imagine working hourly, although I know many of you do. I simply can't fathom some clerk in HR telling me I'm working too many hours. It should be "your" golf course, and there should be no one telling you when you shouldn't be there.

    This is a great thread.....when talking about capabilities. Compensation? Another matter. And I don't recall ever seeing a description for "normal" duties for a golf course superintendent. "Any other duties required"?

    Yes. I've seen and written those job requirements myself. Anyone on salary willing to do whatever is needed on the golf course, for however long it takes, has always had my complete respect.



  10. Douglas Eggert
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    2/18/2012 8:02 AM
    I'd like to first thank everyone that has commented on this thread. I value all your opinions and take no offense with them. I figured I would be taking some heat for this thread and I have.

    Our legal department is looking into suggested liability issues and currently checking them out.

    I have no problem working long hours as Jeff has suggested and I'm a salaried position. I did the grow-in and final construction of my course, so yes I did the 40 days at 12 hour days also. I applaud you taking care of your tropical storm damage. I also have issues with 100 year and 500 year floods on this course, which averages 1-2 per season, for the last 16 seasons, and we step up to the plate to deal with it. That is one of the only time I allow my staff's and my professional careers to interfere with our personal lives, I've skipped far too many family functions in the past to be a "servic" to my club.

    This deck project was originally scoped as a building department project and when this all started. I was asked to assist in providing quotes for materials and help line up labor quotes to do the work, which I gladly did. As for anything close to being a skilled carpenter on the golf course staff, I'm it.

    Now, due to rising costs of the proposed deck, it has been halved; however the labor quotes didn't follow. So I have been basically advised that I would probably be doing this deck and make the necessary plans for it, with no contractors...

    I've done other cost saving projects for this course such as rewiring the entire pump station after a lightning strike to the power lines, built a 40 by 60 wooden pavilion for outings, rewired half the maintenance building after a direct strike to the building, re-establishing the flood damaged 14th fairway twice in the last 3 seasons...

    And as for the compensation question, it was more a fact finding question if other superintendents were compensated or receive a bonuses for projects...

    Thanks again.



  11. Wallace Jeffrey V
    Wallace Jeffrey V avatar
    2/18/2012 10:02 AM
    Douglas Eggert said: I'd like to first thank everyone that has commented on this thread. I value all your opinions and take no offense with them. I figured I would be taking some heat for this thread and I have.

    Our legal department is looking into suggested liability issues and currently checking them out.

    I have no problem working long hours as Jeff has suggested and I'm a salaried position. I did the grow-in and final construction of my course, so yes I did the 40 days at 12 hour days also. I applaud you taking care of your tropical storm damage. I also have issues with 100 year and 500 year floods on this course, which averages 1-2 per season, for the last 16 seasons, and we step up to the plate to deal with it. That is one of the only time I allow my staff's and my professional careers to interfere with our personal lives, I've skipped far too many family functions in the past to be a "servic" to my club.

    This deck project was originally scoped as a building department project and when this all started. I was asked to assist in providing quotes for materials and help line up labor quotes to do the work, which I gladly did. As for anything close to being a skilled carpenter on the golf course staff, I'm it.

    Now, due to rising costs of the proposed deck, it has been halved; however the labor quotes didn't follow. So I have been basically advised that I would probably be doing this deck and make the necessary plans for it, with no contractors...

    I've done other cost saving projects for this course such as rewiring the entire pump station after a lightning strike to the power lines, built a 40 by 60 wooden pavilion for outings, rewired half the maintenance building after a direct strike to the building, re-establishing the flood damaged 14th fairway twice in the last 3 seasons...

    And as for the compensation question, it was more a fact finding question if other superintendents were compensated or receive a bonuses for projects...

    Thanks again.


    Nice post, Douglas. Especially the "I have no problem working long hours". Getting, and keeping, jobs in this current market is difficult. You have the right attitude. And working "long hours" has aways been a part of our jobs. You obviously enjoy what you do. I was not ever questioning your "questions".....just making a point for the younger crowd to read.

    And by younger, that certainly does not include Bowman. I call him Grandpa, but always in a respectful tone.

    Now Huffstutler.....he should have retired 50 years ago. Fortunately, his club allows wheel chairs.

    Me? I'm 22. I have many years ahead of me. I hope to cure cancer and achieve world peace. I'm on track. Not "tracks"........that would be dangerous.



  12. Ronald Conard
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    2/18/2012 11:02 AM
    I think you have to be very careful of being "projected" to death. If you have limited resources and limited labor and are being pulled away from the most important asset, the golf course, then you need to explain the impact of this to your employers and get them to sign off on it.

    If your budget is only enough for maintenance and the curation of the golf course then any time spent doing fluff is going to contribute to the deterioration of the golf course. Most people, including our bosses, don't understand what all is involved in producing the conditions they expect.

    If you try to please everyone, with every pet project, and you enable the idea that you and your staff can be pulled away from the golf course on their whims, then you also run the risk of being unemployed, when in the long run, agronomic neglect sets in.

    IMHO



  13. Wahlin Scott B
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    2/18/2012 11:02 AM
    Ronald Conard, CGCS said: I think you have to be very careful of being "projected" to death. If you have limited resources and limited labor and are being pulled away from the most important asset, the golf course, then you need to explain the impact of this to your employers and get them to sign off on it.

    If your budget is only enough for maintenance and the curation of the golf course then any time spent doing fluff is going to contribute to the deterioration of the golf course. Most people, including our bosses, don't understand what all is involved in producing the conditions they expect.

    If you try to please everyone, with every pet project, and you enable the idea that you and your staff can be pulled away from the golf course on their whims, then you also run the risk of being unemployed, when in the long run, agronomic neglect sets in.

    IMHO


    I agree with this. I once had a job where they would call regularly and say, "Get two guys and a truck and (insert pet project here)." So I presented a budget with two guys and a truck on stand-by in case there was a whim from ownership. It took them a while to figure out why the budget had increase so significantly, but they got the point. After that I would make a list of pet projects and get to them when I could. Once it was well over a year and I was told, "I thought you forgot about that!" At the next meeting I presented a report of all the projects I had on my list; it was more than a page.



  14. Keith Lamb
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    2/18/2012 2:02 PM
    Any "above and beyond" project that could significantly impact: a) Golf course conditions, and/or b) Time with my family is deferred to a outside source. I have the trust of my ownership that when I tell them that I cannot do it, they understand why. Don't get me wrong, I always try to do what I can and have done my share of projects, but salaried does not equate slave. If it is something I cannot accomplish I have a answer for them that will either explain a better way to achieve the goal or explain other alternatives.



  15. Homme David R
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    2/18/2012 4:02 PM
    I think Wallace may be wearing all that hard work like a badge......

    Balance. If you can do the project, fine. As long as the normal items aren't compromised.

    If you can't, due to other things, then hire it out and check in. Nothing wrong with that. Liability, for sure is an issue in regards to building a deck. Only a dumb ass would build it without thinking of the possibility that he may not be a deck expert. Just cause your the "super", doesn't mean you can and should do it all. You should however, oversee everything on the site.

    All that mumbo jumbo about hard work is fine, but there is a limit, salary or not.

    Dave Homme
    Falls Resort



  16. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    2/18/2012 8:02 PM
    David Homme said: I think Wallace may be wearing all that hard work like a badge......

    Balance. If you can do the project, fine. As long as the normal items aren't compromised.

    If you can't, due to other things, then hire it out and check in. Nothing wrong with that. Liability, for sure is an issue in regards to building a deck. Only a dumb !%@*x& would build it without thinking of the possibility that he may not be a deck expert. Just cause your the "super", doesn't mean you can and should do it all. You should however, oversee everything on the site.

    All that mumbo jumbo about hard work is fine, but there is a limit, salary or not.

    Dave Homme
    Falls Resort


    Dave,

    And your point is?

    I was talking about the "golf course".....not building a swimming pool at the clubhouse. True, I was pointing out that people on salary shouldn't whine about their hours. It always works out evenly....time-wise. Or it should. If an owner is taking advantage of you because you're on salary, then that's your fault. If you think you're putting in too much time, then renegotiate your contract and go hourly. Whatever. But "that" person needs to stop complaining about the work hours. Learn to negotiate a contract. Either you sign a document that states that "salary" means that your hours are decided by you, with an obvious minimum, or sign an open contract and let the owner fill in the blanks. In other words, be an idiot.

    Good grief, if someone other than you is "setting limits", then you need to grow some.....and stand up. And don't get all testy about the "you" parts.....I'm talking about work contracts in general, not "Dave Homme". If you don't know when to say "No", then you deserve to be worked to death. But it better be because you don't have the resources, or knowledge....not because you think you've already worked your 8 hours. I understand the importance of family, and that is always an exception to "exceptional hours". But, I'm speaking about simple work hours.

    When there is a project that affects your golf course directly, and you're on salary, you shouldn't be counting hours. You "should" be able to take whatever time off you want in the future. That's when things equal out.

    If you're hourly, then you damn well have no right to complain.....you're getting overtime pay. You chose this profession. The hours change. Deal with it.

    If someone wants guaranteed, specified hours, I'm sure grocery stores are hiring. You can always leave at the end of your shift and let someone else "CLEAN UP ON AISLE 5!"



  17. Homme David R
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    2/20/2012 4:02 PM
    Easy big fella, did I touch a nerve? I think we actually agree on this topic, just are saying it in different ways.

    I did work for a family at one time, apparently worth 9 figures. The owner, or one of them anyway, said to me once " some people have to work extra hard, to make up for other things ". Vague, but to the point all at the same time. I won't forget that one line.

    You know you're bragging about working 40 days at 12 hrs per day was something you consider a feather in your cap. I'm sure your owner appreciated the effort, but it does set the bar high.

    All I'm saying is there's a limit, and I've learned that the hard way unfortunately.

    Dave Homme, slacker



  18. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    2/20/2012 9:02 PM
    David Homme said: Easy big fella, did I touch a nerve?

    Trust me, if you had "touched a nerve", I would not have responded in the manner that I did.

    I think we actually agree on this topic, just are saying it in different ways.

    You must be delusional. Our approaches to working in this industry could not be more different.

    I did work for a family at one time, apparently worth 9 figures. The owner, or one of them anyway, said to me once " some people have to work extra hard, to make up for other things ".

    Wow....you better get busy.

    Vague, but to the point all at the same time. I won't forget that one line.

    Amazing coincidence! I also worked for a family one time, apparently worth X figures. The owner, or one of them anyway, said to me once, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the....", and that was it. I had to look up the last word. I won't forget having to look that word up.

    You know you're bragging about working 40 days at 12 hrs per day was something you consider a feather in your cap.

    Seriously? Are you suggesting that I'm "bragging" about 40 days out of the last 35 years? Did I ever tell you about the time I mowed 27 fairways in 7 minutes? Amazing, and with only one 6 minute break.

    Use your brain and get a clue. I was making a point about salaried and hourly employees, but apparently that went right over your head.


    I'm sure your owner appreciated the effort, but it does set the bar high.

    High for whom? Your bar apparently is set by the clock in your office, which I can only assume is at eye level, lest you strain your neck looking up to see when you can get out of there.

    All I'm saying is there's a limit, and I've learned that the hard way unfortunately.

    Sorry to hear that, but you're not alone. And no, my shoulder is not available for you to cry on. You'll have to bother whatever friends you have. And they, I assume, are sick and tired of your complaining about your sorry life and how everything is SO unfair.

    Homme, you know nothing about me. We've never met, nor spoken by phone. Having you state that I'm "wearing my hard work as a badge" was....yeah....kind of insulting. Since we don't know each other, I can only conclude that you are a first class jerk. I certainly hope that doesn't "touch a nerve".

    If we were friends, even through this forum, you could give me all the grief you want. Plenty of guys do, and I laugh. But you and I do not have a "background". Is that a concept you can even understand? Truly, I want to believe that you are a capable superintendent, and probably are. But since you haven't taken the time to get to know me, yet believe that you have the right to be rude, then you are unprofessional. Consequently, I can only assume you would be better suited working at a gas station. I am in no way disparaging gas stations....there are many fine ones out there. And best of all? They have time clocks!


    Dave Homme, slacker. Your word, not mine.



  19. Stephen Okula
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    2/21/2012 12:02 AM
    Were you "excited" to do it?

    No.

    Were you compensated for it?

    No, not beyond normal slary.

    Did you you tell your supervisor "No"?

    No.

    Were you allowed additional staffing to take care of your departmental needs?

    No.

    Were you allowed to let conditions be somewhat less than perfect, due to this project?

    No.

    Was this project pushed onto you and it was just expected you would do it?

    Yes.

    I am more project manager than golf course superintendent. Just in the past year we have, in-house, relined a pond, built three tee platforms including installing irrigation, re-done the irrigation to two other tees, reshaped a green, and renovated four bunkers. Right now, we are renovating the employee locker room, re-laying electric cable to the front gate, and we are installing a new weather station.

    I expect and don't mind the golf course stuff, but I need to constantly remind my manager that I am not a structural engineer. Masonry, carpentry, indoor electrical and plumbing work are not on my resume nor in my contract. I do them to the extent that some one on my crew has those skills.

    When I first came to this job I said "yes" to everything. That year we built a restroom on the golf course, which meant laying pipes and wires across the golf course, landscaped and fenced a new swimming pool, renovated about 35 bunkers, and planted dozens of large (10-15ft high) trees. Having accomplished that, I was called in front of the comittee to be warned about letting the course conditions slide. I learned then that saying "yes" to everything could be a problerm.

    I also refuse any number of projects that I am unqualified for or think might be dangerous for us. For example, I refuse to do tree work that involves climbing or falling any large trees because we are not qualified.

    My contract states a specific number of days annually for me to be at work. I regulaly exceed that by about thirty days, no extra compensation, and I'm crticized when, having put in the extra, I deem to take a day off.



  20. Keith Lamb
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    2/21/2012 6:02 AM
    Face it Jeff, you have a form of golf course masochism.



  21. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    2/21/2012 9:02 AM
    THAT is what those lashes on my back are from.

    Gentlemen, cram those hours in on the "golf course" when needed, hire contractors when "required", then when you've hit over a 1000 hours after 5 months or so.....head to Bali for a few weeks. Sorry if I confused anyone.



  22. Steven Kurta
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    2/21/2012 9:02 AM
    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said: THAT is what those lashes on my back are from.


    Pretty sure you're wrong about that.
    You need to embrace your alternative lifestyle.
    You should wear it like a badge.

    You like badges I hear.



  23. Steven Kurta
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    2/21/2012 10:02 AM
    Oh hey. I have an opinion on the this "being a superintendent" thing project dealie.

    Exceed expectations -- whatever they are. Duh, right?

    The harder part is triggering, leading them to, and cultivating appropriate expectations. You need to coach them on knowing what to ask and what's out of the question. Then, nail the living hello out of what they decide.
    Exceed expectation.
    The work is just the work. We all work hard, that's a given. I'm always more impressed by managers who have the respect and trust of their employers. That says miles more than how much work someone's done to me at least..



  24. Mark Van Lienden
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    2/21/2012 11:02 AM
    I love it when they say "how hard can it be?" or They can show you how to do it down at lowes.I tell them I have been reading up on it and I could probably do that colonoscopy and save you a lot of money.How hard can it be?



  25. Clay Putnam
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    2/21/2012 11:02 AM
    Mark Van Lienden, CGCS said: I love it when they say "how hard can it be?" or They can show you how to do it down at lowes.I tell them I have been reading up on it and I could probably do that colonoscopy and save you a lot of money.How hard can it be?


    Eww...



  26. Stephen Okula
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    2/21/2012 1:02 PM
    Steven Kurta said:
    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said: THAT is what those lashes on my back are from.


    Pretty sure you're wrong about that.
    You need to embrace your alternative lifestyle.
    You should wear it like a badge.

    You like badges I hear.


    Badges!? We don' need no stinkin' badges!



  27. Steven Kurta
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    2/21/2012 3:02 PM
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  28. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    2/21/2012 5:02 PM
    I think that was taken [u">after[/u"> my teeth were straightened. The before shot is really ugly.



  29. Homme David R
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    2/21/2012 6:02 PM
    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said:
    David Homme said: Easy big fella, did I touch a nerve?

    Trust me, if you had "touched a nerve", I would not have responded in the manner that I did.

    I think we actually agree on this topic, just are saying it in different ways.

    You must be delusional. Our approaches to working in this industry could not be more different.

    I did work for a family at one time, apparently worth 9 figures. The owner, or one of them anyway, said to me once " some people have to work extra hard, to make up for other things ".

    Wow....you better get busy.

    Vague, but to the point all at the same time. I won't forget that one line.

    Amazing coincidence! I also worked for a family one time, apparently worth X figures. The owner, or one of them anyway, said to me once, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the....", and that was it. I had to look up the last word. I won't forget having to look that word up.

    You know you're bragging about working 40 days at 12 hrs per day was something you consider a feather in your cap.

    Seriously? Are you suggesting that I'm "bragging" about 40 days out of the last 35 years? Did I ever tell you about the time I mowed 27 fairways in 7 minutes? Amazing, and with only one 6 minute break.

    Use your brain and get a clue. I was making a point about salaried and hourly employees, but apparently that went right over your head.


    I'm sure your owner appreciated the effort, but it does set the bar high.

    High for whom? Your bar apparently is set by the clock in your office, which I can only assume is at eye level, lest you strain your neck looking up to see when you can get out of there.

    All I'm saying is there's a limit, and I've learned that the hard way unfortunately.

    Sorry to hear that, but you're not alone. And no, my shoulder is not available for you to cry on. You'll have to bother whatever friends you have. And they, I assume, are sick and tired of your complaining about your sorry life and how everything is SO unfair.

    Homme, you know nothing about me. We've never met, nor spoken by phone. Having you state that I'm "wearing my hard work as a badge" was....yeah....kind of insulting. Since we don't know each other, I can only conclude that you are a first class jerk. I certainly hope that doesn't "touch a nerve".

    If we were friends, even through this forum, you could give me all the grief you want. Plenty of guys do, and I laugh. But you and I do not have a "background". Is that a concept you can even understand? Truly, I want to believe that you are a capable superintendent, and probably are. But since you haven't taken the time to get to know me, yet believe that you have the right to be rude, then you are unprofessional. Consequently, I can only assume you would be better suited working at a gas station. I am in no way disparaging gas stations....there are many fine ones out there. And best of all? They have time clocks!


    Dave Homme, slacker. Your word, not mine.




    Harsh words there Jeffrey. I forgot that no one is to mess with you, the 35 year guru. I could run circles around you pal, on work ethic. And yes, I am capable and I am confident. 6 kids, run my course, have a side business in landscaping with 2 employees and 50+ customers. I'm 37, feel 21 and look 19.

    I will voice my opinion here when I want. Don't get so over-sensitive cause someone disagrees with you. This is a good topic, but please allow others to apply their own experiences and knowledge as well.

    The topic of "balance" has been discussed here many times, and that was all I was trying to point out. This is my opinion and your long, boring thread judging my character was a little much. I'd say you're every bit the jerk I could possibly be.

    Workaholics thriving is not necessarily the key to success, and many wealthy people would agree with me. Many wouldn't. You have your way, I have mine. At the end of the day, I couldn't give a rip what you think.

    Dave Homme, hard working S.O.B.
    Falls Resort



  30. Wallace Jeffrey V
    Wallace Jeffrey V avatar
    2/21/2012 11:02 PM
    Harsh words there Jeffrey. I forgot that no one is to mess with you, the 35 year guru. I could run circles around you pal, on work ethic. Actually, anyone could run circles around me. I just need to stand still. And yes, I am capable and I am confident. 6 kids, run my course, have a side business in landscaping with 2 employees and 50+ customers. Say what? Are you....actually...."bragging"? I'm 37, feel 21 and look 19. Not fair. You don't get to state how old you "look". A photo is required.

    I will voice my opinion here when I want. Don't get so over-sensitive cause someone disagrees with you. Who me? Just having a bit of fun is all. This is a good topic, but please allow others to apply their own experiences and knowledge as well. At your service, guvnor. All is allowed.

    The topic of "balance" has been discussed here many times, and that was all I was trying to point out. This is my opinion and your long, boring thread judging my character was a little much. Sorry about the character judging. What hurts even more is that you thought I was boring. I swear, I'm working on that. I'd say you're every bit the jerk I could possibly be. You have no idea. I have an award stating that I am a total jerk, and signed by 90% of the forum members. It's kinda cool. Cheap paper, and no frame, but....cool.

    Workaholics thriving is not necessarily the key to success, and many wealthy people would agree with me. And so many would not. Many wouldn't. Oh, man.....I REALLY need to learn to read ahead. You have your way, I have mine. At the end of the day, I couldn't give a rip what you think. See? After all this congenial banter, we agree on something.

    Dave Homme, hard working S.O.B. Oh sure, change your sign-off. I preferred "slacker". Although the S.O.B. was a nice addition. So....lunch on Friday?



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