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Once again.....I'm not qualified

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  1. Steven Huffstutler
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    6/18/2012 12:06 PM
    Posted on this website's job search engine:



    Park Supervisor - Golf and Sports Turf

    City of Columbia Parks and Recreation - Columbia, Missouri • Posted June 13, 2012


    The Park Supervisor is responsible for the turf and grounds management of 2 18-hole golf courses and 50 athletic fields owned by the City of Columbia. Each golf course has a Superintendent and Assistant Superintendent that report to the Park Supervisor. Three sports turf employees also report to the Park Supervisor.

    Position Details


    Salary: $40,522 - $59,022 Annually

    Duties: Golf Course Maintenance, Fertilizer/Pesticide Applications, Equipment Maintenance, Golf Course Budget, Trees & Shrubbery, Purchasing, Clubhouse Maintenance, Golf Car Maintenance

    Benefits: Paid Life Insurance, Paid Health Insurance, Paid Dental Insurance, Paid Vision Insurance, Paid Annual Vacation Leave, Paid Annual Sick Leave, GCSAA Membership Dues, Chapter Dues, 401(k), Expense involved in attending local education seminars, Pension Plan, Transportation and/or Vehicle Allowance


    Responsible to: Park Services Manager

    Application Deadline: Jul. 6, 2012

    Date Position is Available: Immediately upon candidate selection


    Experience


    GCSAA Member: Preferred

    Education: Possession of a Bachelor's Degree in Recreation and Park Administration, Horticulture, Agronomy or any plant science related field.

    Experience: Fiveto ten years of leadership experience in turf, grounds and/or facilities management. Experience dealing with Bentgrass greens and Zoysiagrass in the transition zone. Additional experience dealing with Sports Turf.



    Course Information


    The City of Columbia Parks and Recreation department includes an inventory of 75 parks, 50 miles of trails and greenways, 2 municipal 18-hole golf courses and 50 athletic fields.


    Course Operation: Municipal

    Annual Rounds: 28,000 each course

    Maintenance Budget: $750,000 to $999,999

    Number of Holes: 36 Holes

    Irrigation System: Central Control



  2. Neidhardt John J
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    6/18/2012 1:06 PM
    Me either.............wouldn't want to be.



  3. Patrick Reinhardt
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    6/18/2012 2:06 PM
    Why not?



  4. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    6/18/2012 3:06 PM
    Wow! 36 holes AND 50 athletic fields? Salary sounds high.......see if you can talk them down. If so, go for it.



  5. Steve Nelson
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    6/18/2012 3:06 PM
    36 holes and 50 athletic fields and $40K to start. Are people still thinking that gov't employees make too much?

    Nevermind, closer reading reveals the successful applicant will have 7 employees to help him out with all that. Sounds like a cake walk.



  6. Baker Daniel
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    6/18/2012 4:06 PM
    Dont bash the job board unless you can make a constructive comment to make it better. Period.


    I know guys who would take it for anything in the higher range. It would be a great job for someone wanting a less stressful job after years of dragging a hose on bent in the transition zone or tired of the 60-70 hour weeks or 12 month seasons.

    Only problem is that it is in Mis-ery



  7. Steven Huffstutler
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    6/18/2012 5:06 PM
    Daniel Baker said: Dont bash the job board unless you can make a constructive comment to make it better. Period.


    I know guys who would take it for anything in the higher range. It would be a great job for someone wanting a less stressful job after years of dragging a hose on bent in the transition zone or tired of the 60-70 hour weeks or 12 month seasons.

    Only problem is that it is in Mis-ery


    That's a crock. I'll bash it when it deserves bashing and it definitely deserves it.

    Regards,

    Steve



  8. Timothy Walker
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    6/18/2012 5:06 PM
    Daniel Baker said: Dont bash the job board unless you can make a constructive comment to make it better. Period.


    I know guys who would take it for anything in the higher range. It would be a great job for someone wanting a less stressful job after years of dragging a hose on bent in the transition zone or tired of the 60-70 hour weeks or 12 month seasons.

    Only problem is that it is in Mis-ery



    read closer, bent greens in the...wait for it...transition zone!



  9. Keith Lamb
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    3 posts
    6/18/2012 5:06 PM
    Daniel Baker said: Dont bash the job board unless you can make a constructive comment to make it better. Period.


    I know guys who would take it for anything in the higher range. It would be a great job for someone wanting a less stressful job after years of dragging a hose on bent in the transition zone or tired of the 60-70 hour weeks or 12 month seasons.

    Only problem is that it is in Mis-ery


    Inconceivable!!!!!

    Deet dah dee!!!



  10. Patrick Reinhardt
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    6/19/2012 8:06 AM
    Steve Nelson, CGCS said: 36 holes and 50 athletic fields and $40K to start. Are people still thinking that gov't employees make too much?

    Nevermind, closer reading reveals the successful applicant will have 7 employees to help him out with all that. Sounds like a cake walk.


    I read it as 7 employees report to the Park Supervisor, not 7 employees total. Keep in mind, this is a Park Supervisor job, not a superintendents job. It probably equates to being a paper-pusher, lead agronomist type job. I really don't think it would be that bad of a job if the salary is at the upper end of their spectrum.



  11. James Schmid
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    6/19/2012 9:06 AM
    My question is if this position pays 40, how huch are the superintendents making? 30? and the assistants? 20?



  12. Robert Crockett
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    6/19/2012 9:06 AM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said:
    Daniel Baker said: Dont bash the job board unless you can make a constructive comment to make it better. Period.


    I know guys who would take it for anything in the higher range. It would be a great job for someone wanting a less stressful job after years of dragging a hose on bent in the transition zone or tired of the 60-70 hour weeks or 12 month seasons.

    Only problem is that it is in Mis-ery


    That's a crock. I'll bash it when it deserves bashing and it definitely deserves it.

    Regards,

    Steve

    That post deserves bashing



  13. Steve Nelson
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    6/19/2012 10:06 AM
    Daniel Baker said: Dont bash the job board unless you can make a constructive comment to make it better. Period.


    I know guys who would take it for anything in the higher range. It would be a great job for someone wanting a less stressful job after years of dragging a hose on bent in the transition zone or tired of the 60-70 hour weeks or 12 month seasons.

    Only problem is that it is in Mis-ery


    What part of being the person responsible for 36 holes and 50 athletic fields in the transition zone sounds less stressful? Some of you all have gross misperceptions about working for a public agency. It's the same job but with less resources and more bosses. Want stress? Go to a greens committee meeting that is open to the public and held 25 feet from the bar.

    In this economy, I agree that a good job is the one you got. But let's face it, some are better than others and it's perfectly ok for us to opine on a job description/salary range/ resources available/ expectations ratio that seems out of whack.



  14. Baker Daniel
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    6/19/2012 10:06 AM
    Ill keep this short and sweet.

    If you have a constructive idea about the Job Board, direct it to Stephanie ( sconfer@gcsaa.org ) at GCSAA headquarters. She does an amazing job working within the limits she is given.

    So this particular job doesn't fit you. Fine. There are plenty of Superintendents out there who are not from the same mould you are. There is somoene out there looking for a job who is going to jump on this. Get over the fact that the salary does not fit the job description in your opinion. There are too many Superintendents who think they are "God's gift to turfgrass" that feel undervalued and could not understand a world where this particular job would go for less than $______ .


    Let's clarify:
    [u">Elitism[/u"> is the belief or attitude that some individuals, who form an elite — a select group of people with intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes — are those whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously or carry the most weight; whose views and/or actions are most likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities or wisdom render them especially fit to govern - Wikipedia

    I would love to hear Mel's take on this



  15. Ashton Alan W
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    6/19/2012 11:06 AM
    Daniel Baker said: Dont bash the job board unless you can make a constructive comment to make it better. Period.




    Are we talking about the original post or yours with respect to elitism?

    I think if we had a poll on this job post most would say, on face value, that the position is under-compensated. It has nothing to do with any GCSAA employee... and everything to do with a Parks Manager (and higher up the food chain!) in Missouri.

    IMHO... as always.



  16. Steve Nelson
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    6/19/2012 11:06 AM
    Daniel, you've never met me so I'm not insulted. I don't feel very elite this morning having spent the better part of it up to my elbows in crystalized urine fixing the urinals down at the clubhouse. I work at muni that has a 12 month season 95 thousand rounds per year and I am given a crew of six to get it done. That means I spend a lot of time doing the same things my employees do. When I'm done with that I get to do all that less stressful admin stuff :lol: . That means I have pretty good understanding of how that particular advertised job would be. What got me laughing about this was Steve's orignal post and then yours that implied that somehow this particular job would be less stressful than your regular superintendent job. If anything, all that responsibility implies significantly more stress for the successful applicant.



  17. Baker Daniel
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    6/19/2012 12:06 PM
    Alan Ashton said:
    Daniel Baker said: Dont bash the job board unless you can make a constructive comment to make it better. Period.




    Are we talking about the original post or yours with respect to elitism?

    I think if we had a poll on this job post most would say, on face value, that the position is under-compensated. It has nothing to do with any GCSAA employee... and everything to do with a Parks Manager (and higher up the food chain!) in Missouri.

    IMHO... as always.


    We are talking about the original post where Steve just posted the position and its location with his views of qualification in the subject line. It wasnt exactly trying to promote the job board. Feel free to give your opinion, thats what makes this country great. You get to hear mine when I call out whomever for being an elitist for looking down their nose at what someone else may see as an opportunity.

    Gus,
    I did my urinal duty last week, at a private club (not that I'm better than you or anything, just pointing out that its not just municipal guys who get the shaft occasionally). I would think that this job would be different than an on the ground superintendent like us. It sounds alot more like what I would call a director's position over multiple properties.



  18. Melvin Waldron
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    6/19/2012 7:06 PM
    Thanks, I think? for asking what I think about the job posting.

    For one, I work on a state turf board with the poster, great guy.

    Patrick hit the nail on the head, and I think he is probably correct on that position, in that, this person would work with the golf course superintendents and sports field managers. We have a similar position, actually I think we might have two in our system and the pay range is about the same. My old supervisor who has since retired and not been replaced yet was one, he just oversaw the golf courses, (we have 63 holes, one being a lighted par 3 9, plus a 4 hole kiddie course). Our supervisor at times seemed like a high payed gopher, picking up paperwork for us taking it down to our parks office. Other times he would work on budgets, prepare bid documents, set up schedules to share equipment and fertilizer and other applications. Sort of like a regional agronomist in some cases. We have at least one person on the sports turf side as well, since I know we have at least 4 softball/baseball field complexes and maybe (not sure of all the details) one big soccer complex. Superintendents I would guess would make in our range where we start out of about $27,500 and top out at $38,500. I don't know where the GCSAA salary survey gets $55,000 as the average municipal salary, I try to keep it balanced and do the survey every year, those KC and St. Louis guys must drive it up. I don't know if they have assistants we don't.

    What I'm sure they have since we have it is, a state pension plan, health insurance, maybe a 457, with matching, and other benefits, plus pretty good job security.

    Why aren't those salaries up higher then that? Good question, I just wish ours was as high as our pro's and golf managers, and that is without their bonuses for the play we get.....hmmm, I wonder who really is responsible for that? Anyway, when an operations superintendent that oversees all of these positions is only getting up in the $70,000 - 80,000 range and assistant parks directors might make it to $90,000 with only the park's director reaching six figures, think about the food chain pecking order of staff/management and then you get where our salaries are coming from.

    Quite honestly if my son wasn't a sophomore in high school and since we are having fun with band activities, I would have thought about applying for it, but somethings are more important then money I am finding out. Columbia is where the University of Missouri is and the turf farm, great city and area, except during the week of field day when it's as hot as heck.

    Hopefully I've answered some of your all's questions, I hopefully haven't put that position in a bad light either.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

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