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1. Jon Gansen

   

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   12/3/2011 10:12 AM

   http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gossip/ ... audio.html
   
   Love him or hate him he hits the nail on the head.... His delivery is obsene but this is the truth.

   
   
   
   
2. Wahlin Scott B

   
   12/3/2011 10:12 AM

   Jgansen said: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gossip/2011/12/adam-carolla-occupy-wall-street-audio.html
   
   Love him or hate him he hits the nail on the head.... His delivery is obsene but this is the truth.

   
   
   It must be the truth. Glenn Beck likes it.

   
   
   
   
3. Jon Gansen

   

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   12/3/2011 10:12 AM

   Scott, this rant is not political. This is what you can see and hear everyday. People who have worked hard all their life being ridiculed for having money. Example. I have a very good friend that worked for me in 89 he was going to school to be a doctor. I was 23 and was in my second year as a Supt. He was 22 and in his 4th or 5th year in college. After around 8-10 more years of schooling and internships he got into a practice in Sioux Falls.
   Now at the age of 45 he is partner and making big money as an orthopedic surgeon. Has a massive house on the Dunes and is seeing his American dream. How did he get it? Hard work and sacrifice from himself and his family
   My point is how many people look at him and say he makes too much he is the one percent of affluence. This a man that sacrificed his best years to be where he is at and there are people that envy what he WORKED for. What is the wage the amount of money you earn or possessions you have that is acceptable?

   
   
   
   
4. Wahlin Scott B

   
   12/3/2011 10:12 AM

   Jgansen said: My point is how many people look at him and say he makes too much he is the one percent of affluence. This a man that sacrificed his best years to be where he is at and there are people that envy what he WORKED for. What is the wage the amount of money you earn or possessions you have that is acceptable?

   
   
   He is not the 1%. He does not make enough. In addition, he is a productive member of society. He actually provides a service and makes people feel better. The Occupiers are mad at the financiers who took advantage of a situation that was manipulated by the wealthiest through the political system. It is hard to boycott Wall Street when they do not produce anything.

   
   
   
   
5. Hardy Andrew

   
   12/3/2011 6:12 PM

   The occupiers had a point when they started. And then the Occupy camps became a safe haven for the homeless. So all the good that was done went down the crapper. Why is it that homeless people always have an excuse, someone to blame and dogs for pets?

   
   
   
   
6. Peter Bowman

   

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   12/3/2011 6:12 PM

   kkisaok said: Why is it that homeless people always have an excuse, someone to blame and dogs for pets?

   
   
   Because cats don't listen to them?

   
   
   
   
7. Clay Putnam

   

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   12/4/2011 3:12 PM

   Jgansen said: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gossip/2011/12/adam-carolla-occupy-wall-street-audio.html
   
   Love him or hate him he hits the nail on the head.... His delivery is obsene but this is the truth.

   
   
   
   Excellent bleep-bleep-bleep-bleep-bleeping post!

   
   
   
   
8. Kauffman John M

   
   12/5/2011 8:12 AM

   wahlins said:

   Jgansen said: My point is how many people look at him and say he makes too much he is the one percent of affluence. This a man that sacrificed his best years to be where he is at and there are people that envy what he WORKED for. What is the wage the amount of money you earn or possessions you have that is acceptable?

   
   
   He is not the 1%. He does not make enough. In addition, he is a productive member of society. He actually provides a service and makes people feel better. The Occupiers are mad at the financiers who took advantage of a situation that was manipulated by the wealthiest through the political system. It is hard to boycott Wall Street when they do not produce anything.

   
   
   How does Wall Street (an ambiguous catch-all if I've ever heard one) not produce anything?

   
   
   
   
9. Wahlin Scott B

   
   12/5/2011 12:12 PM

   jkauffm1 said: How does Wall Street (an ambiguous catch-all if I've ever heard one) not produce anything?

   
   
   1. "Wall Street" - I can see how you might be confused. I do not actually mean the concrete and asphalt, I mean the financial folks who "work" there. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street)
   
   2. How do they make so much money while not actually producing anything? Now this IS a good question!

   
   
   
   
10. Kauffman John M

    
    12/5/2011 12:12 PM

    wahlins said:

    jkauffm1 said: How does Wall Street (an ambiguous catch-all if I've ever heard one) not produce anything?

    
    
    1. "Wall Street" - I can see how you might be confused. I do not actually mean the concrete and asphalt, I mean the financial folks who "work" there. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street)
    
    2. How do they make so much money while not actually producing anything? Now this IS a good question!

    
    
    Precisely what I thought. The people railing against "Wal' Street" don't know what they're upset about and they don't understand that this mythical "Wall Street" isn't the source of their frustrations.
    
    They don't want to be bothered with the truth and they don't want their problems fixed -- they just want something to be upset about and find it easier to lump all those feelings into something with one name, hence "Wall Street."

    
    
    
    
11. Clay Putnam

    

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    12/5/2011 4:12 PM

    wahlins said:

    Jgansen said: My point is how many people look at him and say he makes too much he is the one percent of affluence. This a man that sacrificed his best years to be where he is at and there are people that envy what he WORKED for. What is the wage the amount of money you earn or possessions you have that is acceptable?

    
    
    "He is not the 1%. He does not make enough..."
    
    He very well may be in the top 1%. According to CNN Money http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/20/news/economy/occupy_wall_street_income/index.htm a person making $343,927 qualifies.

    
    
    
    
12. Wahlin Scott B

    
    12/5/2011 5:12 PM

    I thought we were talking about the top 1% in terms of net worth.

    
    
    
    
13. Kim Brock

    

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    12/5/2011 8:12 PM

    Scott, I do not believe that the 1% everyone is talking about is for net worth. I believe it is wages and incomes. If you are counting net worth then I would venture to say that there are a number of superintendents that are 1%ers. I would hope that superintendents are smart enough to save, scrimp, and invest in their future. Wait a minute, they couldn't have actually "worked" to get their net worth!! I would love to become a 1%er. Kim Brock

    
    
    
    
14. Trevor Monreal

    

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    12/6/2011 6:12 AM

    If the "Wall-Street" movement actually caught on, and something was done to fight back "greedy" people, most of us would no longer have jobs.
    While we are at it we should: get rid of tall people in the NBA, fast runners in the NFL, and um, and uh...whatever makes the car go better in NASCAR...get rid of it. Make it fair.
    There ARE winners and losers. America is all about being a winner. Want to be a loser?? Cuba is right next door...free health care too!

    
    
    
    
15. Melvin Waldron

    

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    12/6/2011 12:12 PM

    Your Cuba reference reminded me about comedian Carlos Mencia, He said we as a country don't need to worry too much until we see people in Miami lining up on the shores and start swimming back to Cuba.
    
    The politicians listening to those with their ear, (and money as lobbyist) are creating the problem on both sides.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
16. Wahlin Scott B

    
    12/6/2011 1:12 PM

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17. McCallum David K

    
    12/6/2011 1:12 PM

    Cannot speak to the cutoff point for the 1% ers.........the criteria for Forbes to consider someone a millionaire is they have to have $1,000,000 in cash or liquid assests...........not cars, homes, real estate. If $ 300,000 + in salary puts one in the 1% I still have a long ways to go.

    
    
    
    
18. Jon Gansen

    

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    12/6/2011 1:12 PM

    wahlins said: I thought we were talking about the top 1% in terms of net worth.

    
    
    
    As I understand it is the top 1% annual gross income. Anyone over 343,000. If net worth was involved probably 90% of the farmers in Iowa would be picketed right now.

    
    
    
    
19. Wahlin Scott B

    
    12/7/2011 6:12 AM

    I am getting the impression that "the 1%" is more of a generic term considering an income that is $700,000 short of the being affected by the tax increase the president is recommending is a fer piece by anyone's estimation. I suppose those kids being pepper sprayed at UC Davis needed a shower after that fiasco, but even if they got a job they still couldn't pay their student loans.

    
    
    
    
20. McCallum David K

    
    12/7/2011 7:12 AM

    Most of the college students protesting as "occupoopers" should be protesting their colleges for the huge increase in the cost of education in the last decade instead of Wall Street. Over dinner not long ago when all of this began, one guy at our table made the comment that when he was at LSU in the late 60-70's getting his degree he worked three jobs.........did not have a student loan. Took me nearly 6 years with the GI bill, mowing greens almost every monrning before class, working weekends, with a working wife and a kid and I never took out a student loan. Guess that's not possible any longer.

    
    
    
    
21. Samuel Leatherberry

    

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    12/7/2011 7:12 AM

    wahlins said: I am getting the impression that "the 1%" is more of a generic term considering an income that is $700,000 short of the being affected by the tax increase the president is recommending is a fer piece by anyone's estimation. I suppose those kids being pepper sprayed at UC Davis needed a shower after that fiasco, but even if they got a job they still couldn't pay their student loans.

    
    
    
    If they cannot afford to go to UC Davis then they shouldnt be there. They can go to community colleges or work there way through school. Student Loans are a big joke. People taking out $100,000 worth of student loans to get a degree that will pay them $30,000 a year to start out. WHY? Lets just keep telling people that borrowing money to get ahead is the way to go. Cash is king. How about teaching students in public k-12 schools how to handle money(say Dave Ramsey curriculum). This is not what the government schools want for the next generation to be self sufficient.

    
    
    
    
22. Wahlin Scott B

    
    12/7/2011 7:12 AM

    sammyl24 said:

    wahlins said: I am getting the impression that "the 1%" is more of a generic term considering an income that is $700,000 short of the being affected by the tax increase the president is recommending is a fer piece by anyone's estimation. I suppose those kids being pepper sprayed at UC Davis needed a shower after that fiasco, but even if they got a job they still couldn't pay their student loans.

    
    
    
    If they cannot afford to go to UC Davis then they shouldnt be there. They can go to community colleges or work there way through school. Student Loans are a big joke. People taking out $100,000 worth of student loans to get a degree that will pay them $30,000 a year to start out. WHY? Lets just keep telling people that borrowing money to get ahead is the way to go. Cash is king. How about teaching students in public k-12 schools how to handle money(say Dave Ramsey curriculum). This is not what the government schools want for the next generation to be self sufficient.

    
    
    This attitude permeates our society, but it is not what made this country great. Following is a wonderful speech given 100 years ago by a Republican President who was one of "the 1%", but recognized eliteism and a race to the bottom was not what this country should be about.
    
    http://www.presidentialrhetoric.com/historicspeeches/roosevelt_theodore/newnationalism.html

    
    
    
    
23. Kauffman John M

    
    12/7/2011 8:12 AM

    wahlins said:

    sammyl24 said:

    wahlins said: I am getting the impression that "the 1%" is more of a generic term considering an income that is $700,000 short of the being affected by the tax increase the president is recommending is a fer piece by anyone's estimation. I suppose those kids being pepper sprayed at UC Davis needed a shower after that fiasco, but even if they got a job they still couldn't pay their student loans.

    
    
    
    If they cannot afford to go to UC Davis then they shouldnt be there. They can go to community colleges or work there way through school. Student Loans are a big joke. People taking out $100,000 worth of student loans to get a degree that will pay them $30,000 a year to start out. WHY? Lets just keep telling people that borrowing money to get ahead is the way to go. Cash is king. How about teaching students in public k-12 schools how to handle money(say Dave Ramsey curriculum). This is not what the government schools want for the next generation to be self sufficient.

    
    
    This attitude permeates our society, but it is not what made this country great. Following is a wonderful speech given 100 years ago by a Republican President who was one of "the 1%", but recognized eliteism and a race to the bottom was not what this country should be about.
    
    http://www.presidentialrhetoric.com/historicspeeches/roosevelt_theodore/newnationalism.html

    
    
    Perhaps a little disingenuous to call Theodore Roosevelt a Republican, don't you think? He parted ways with conservative ideology in the early part of his presidency, formally left the Republican party before his presidency ended (which is why he didn't run for re-election in 1908), and by the time your cited speech was delivered, Roosevelt had joined the progressive (liberal) movement and formallystarted the Bull Moose Party, which was only slightly less liberal than Karl Marx.
    
    Try giving this much shorter piece a read and tell us what you think:
    
    http://www.downsizedc.org/blog/greed-fallacy

    
    
    
    
24. Kauffman John M

    
    12/7/2011 8:12 AM

    http://video.pbs.org/video/2160792049/

    
    
    
    
25. Samuel Leatherberry

    

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    12/7/2011 10:12 AM

    wahlins said:

    sammyl24 said:

    wahlins said: I am getting the impression that "the 1%" is more of a generic term considering an income that is $700,000 short of the being affected by the tax increase the president is recommending is a fer piece by anyone's estimation. I suppose those kids being pepper sprayed at UC Davis needed a shower after that fiasco, but even if they got a job they still couldn't pay their student loans.

    
    
    
    If they cannot afford to go to UC Davis then they shouldnt be there. They can go to community colleges or work there way through school. Student Loans are a big joke. People taking out $100,000 worth of student loans to get a degree that will pay them $30,000 a year to start out. WHY? Lets just keep telling people that borrowing money to get ahead is the way to go. Cash is king. How about teaching students in public k-12 schools how to handle money(say Dave Ramsey curriculum). This is not what the government schools want for the next generation to be self sufficient.

    
    
    This attitude permeates our society, but it is not what made this country great. Following is a wonderful speech given 100 years ago by a Republican President who was one of "the 1%", but recognized eliteism and a race to the bottom was not what this country should be about.
    
    http://www.presidentialrhetoric.com/historicspeeches/roosevelt_theodore/newnationalism.html

    
    
    
    Scott
    
    Can you please address what I said about the level of borrowing of student loans. What I said has nothing to do with elitism but common sense. Don't give me one of your videos. Please have an original thought to what I am saying.

    
    
    
    
26. Wahlin Scott B

    
    12/7/2011 11:12 AM

    sammyl24 said:
    Scott
    
    Can you please address what I said about the level of borrowing of student loans. What I said has nothing to do with elitism but common sense. Don't give me one of your videos. Please have an original thought to what I am saying.

    
    
    The point is that our country became great because people who had the ability and propensity to do great things were given the chance. If financing an education is the limiting factor then many of the best and brightest will be excluded the way they are in other countries.

    
    
    
    
27. James Schmid

    

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    12/7/2011 2:12 PM

    sammyl24 said:

    wahlins said: I am getting the impression that "the 1%" is more of a generic term considering an income that is $700,000 short of the being affected by the tax increase the president is recommending is a fer piece by anyone's estimation. I suppose those kids being pepper sprayed at UC Davis needed a shower after that fiasco, but even if they got a job they still couldn't pay their student loans.

    
    
    
    If they cannot afford to go to UC Davis then they shouldnt be there. They can go to community colleges or work there way through school. Student Loans are a big joke. People taking out $100,000 worth of student loans to get a degree that will pay them $30,000 a year to start out. WHY? Lets just keep telling people that borrowing money to get ahead is the way to go. Cash is king. How about teaching students in public k-12 schools how to handle money(say Dave Ramsey curriculum). This is not what the government schools want for the next generation to be self sufficient.

    
    
    Whats wrong with taking out student loans? I took out student loans, I didn't really work all that much during college, I mean I worked a little bit just so I could have some more money to waste, and then I really didn't go to class all that much and just wasted most of my time getting drunk. Its ok to take out student loans if you want to get an education, I did it, I have a decent career going, I pay my bills.
    
    Jim Schmid

    
    
    
    
28. Clay Putnam

    

    33 posts
    
    12/7/2011 2:12 PM

    schmiddy78 said:

    sammyl24 said:

    wahlins said: I am getting the impression that "the 1%" is more of a generic term considering an income that is $700,000 short of the being affected by the tax increase the president is recommending is a fer piece by anyone's estimation. I suppose those kids being pepper sprayed at UC Davis needed a shower after that fiasco, but even if they got a job they still couldn't pay their student loans.

    
    
    
    If they cannot afford to go to UC Davis then they shouldnt be there. They can go to community colleges or work there way through school. Student Loans are a big joke. People taking out $100,000 worth of student loans to get a degree that will pay them $30,000 a year to start out. WHY? Lets just keep telling people that borrowing money to get ahead is the way to go. Cash is king. How about teaching students in public k-12 schools how to handle money(say Dave Ramsey curriculum). This is not what the government schools want for the next generation to be self sufficient.

    
    
    Whats wrong with taking out student loans? I took out student loans, I didn't really work all that much during college, I mean I worked a little bit just so I could have some more money to waste, and then I really didn't go to class all that much and just wasted most of my time getting drunk. Its ok to take out student loans if you want to get an education, I did it, I have a decent career going, I pay my bills.
    
    Jim Schmid

    
    
    Nothing is wrong with student loans, to a point. Most of us have had student loans. I believe Sam is trying to make the point that a $100,000 student loan for a $25,000 career is a bit on the financial-ignoramus-side.

    
    
    
    
29. Wahlin Scott B

    
    12/7/2011 3:12 PM

    sammyl24 said:
    Scott
    
    Can you please give me one of your videos.

    
    (Hey, I didn't change the punctuation!)
    Well, since you said "please"!
    
    http://www.c-span.org/Events/Pres-Obama-Discusses-Economy-in-Trip-to-Kansas/10737426036-1/

    
    
    
    
30. Samuel Leatherberry

    

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    12/7/2011 3:12 PM

    Nothing is wrong with student loans, to a point. Most of us have had student loans. I believe Sam is trying to make the point that a $100,000 student loan for a $25,000 career is a bit on the financial-ignoramus-side.
    
    
    Thats what I was trying to get accross Clay. Thanks for helping me out. Some college students arent looking at the whole picture and have the mindset that they are entitiled to a college education and a good paying job when they graduate with massive amounts of debt. It just doesnt add up.
    
    Scott - The best and brightest wont be excluded. They will be put in a better situation if they are smart about they way they attend college. There are other options on getting a good college education without going to a top-notch school and incurring massive debt. It may take a little longer and heaven forbid working through college, but most wont be excluded. The problem is the ones that cant pay for it, take out these massive loans and then and their family continues the cycle of being poor. Just remember Proverbs 22:7 "The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is the slave of the lender." The instant gratification of borrowing money for things keeps "poor" people from being "rich". I understand some people cannot help the situation that they are in and my hearts breaks for them, but most of the time it is a behavior issue when it comes to spending money. Sacrifice sucks but in the long run it is worth it.