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  1. Ronald Kirkman
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    42 posts
    10/22/2012 1:10 PM
    Greetings,

    #1 - Women making less than men. The women in the White House are making 18% less in pay than the men. Is this President's Bush fault. Just curious. This would not happen with Governor Romney.

    #2 - The Spanish Mayor of San Antonio, Texas spoke at the Democratic Convention to help President Obama to gather up some Hispanic votes and to help the economy. Well, guess what - this Mayorr outsourced millions of dollars to south Korea (I think 25 million or better) for solar panels or something like that. The people of San Antonio thought they were going to get this deal. And, they were going to make this for two cents cheaper than South Korea. And they have more experience in this product than South Korea.

    Maybe someone can explain this to me!

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  2. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/27/2012 1:10 PM
    I cannot find a reputable news organization who reported on these things.

    [img">http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/scottcgcs/TEA.jpg[/img">



  3. Keith Pegg
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    0 posts
    10/27/2012 5:10 PM
    Ronald Kirkman"]Greetings,

    #1 - Women making less than men. The women in the White House are making 18% less in pay than the men. Is this President's Bush fault. Just curious. This would not happen with Governor Romney.

    #2 - The Spanish Mayor of San Antonio, Texas spoke at the Democratic Convention to help President Obama to gather up some Hispanic votes and to help the economy. Well, guess what - this Mayorr outsourced millions of dollars to south Korea (I think 25 million or better) for solar panels or something like that. The people of San Antonio thought they were going to get this deal. And, they were going to make this for two cents cheaper than South Korea. And they have more experience in this product than South Korea.

    Maybe someone can explain this to me!

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien

    1.
    It is true men in the white house make more than women, the reasons are very easy to understand.
    1 pay grades are the same if you are hired as a man or women the basic pay grade is the same. I.e. $10.00 an hour and after a time let's say 1 year you get a pay increase so now you make $11.00 an hour and the next raise and the next raise and so on. Well if you have men with average length of service 5 years and women average length of service 4 years the men are going to average a higher wage. It works for hour, month and yearly. Some other reasons can be OT men are more likely to want overtime than women on average. 2X pay or 1.5X pay adds up fast and can make yearly wage amounts look out of balance. Even night work pay is a premium rate. Married people with children it traditionally, has been easier for men to work odd shifts that often pay extra.


    2. ??? if true someone needs to look-into this.


    Keith Pegg
    Zama Golf



  4. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/27/2012 6:10 PM
    What? Are you stupid?

    [img">http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/scottcgcs/stupid.png[/img">



  5. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    10/27/2012 9:10 PM
    Keith great point and typically true with most government jobs, doesn't matter the gender, everyone gets paid according to position.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  6. McCallum David K
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    10/29/2012 7:10 AM
    There you got Captain.........questions answered. You knew Mel and Scott and the boys would have a good reply.



  7. Ronald Kirkman
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    42 posts
    10/29/2012 2:10 PM
    David McCallum said: There you got Captain.........questions answered. You knew Mel and Scott and the boys would have a good reply.


    You are right David. I knew I could count on the boys. I'm just wondering if someone called me stupid? One thing they have not explained is the out sourcing the solar panels to South Korea. I'm sure they know that during the Democratic Convention or shortly after President Obama and the President of South Korea had dinner and the invited guest was the Mayor of San Antonio.

    I'll bet some Texas Supt's. know the answer.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  8. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    10/29/2012 3:10 PM
    Ronald Kirkman said:
    David McCallum said: There you got Captain.........questions answered. You knew Mel and Scott and the boys would have a good reply.


    You are right David. I knew I could count on the boys. I'm just wondering if someone called me stupid? One thing they have not explained is the out sourcing the solar panels to South Korea. I'm sure they know that during the Democratic Convention or shortly after President Obama and the President of South Korea had dinner and the invited guest was the Mayor of San Antonio.

    I'll bet some Texas Supt's. know the answer.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA


    No one would dare call you stupid Capt. As far as the outsourcing of panels to South Korea, I haven't checked out that end of the story, but I do remember a story on CNN in August about a small company in Indiana who was making attic fans that were solar powered. The solar panel he was using was from China because no American manufacturers would make them since they were small and there was not much profit per panel. So the guy was buying the small panels from China but when new tariffs were put into place the panels became too expensive for this guy and he was going to have to shut down his business. This was one thing I was mad at the president for, as the president touted this as a green energy US based manufacturing company. Yet the president or this administration could not find a solution to help him.

    I guess the question is, how to help him? How are you helping others? Is this the definition of too much government intrusion, or should the free market be at work? What about protectionism? I can see all the sides of the issues, but it's too bad an American manufacturer wouldn't make the solar panels, or that the tariffs could have been waived on those smaller panels if no American company would make them. What would be the best answer?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  9. Keith Pegg
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    0 posts
    10/29/2012 3:10 PM
    Ronald Kirkman said: Greetings,

    #1 - Women making less than men. The women in the White House are making 18% less in pay than the men. Is this President's Bush fault. Just curious. This would not happen with Governor Romney.

    #2 - The Spanish Mayor of San Antonio, Texas spoke at the Democratic Convention to help President Obama to gather up some Hispanic votes and to help the economy. Well, guess what - this Mayorr outsourced millions of dollars to south Korea (I think 25 million or better) for solar panels or something like that. The people of San Antonio thought they were going to get this deal. And, they were going to make this for two cents cheaper than South Korea. And they have more experience in this product than South Korea.

    Maybe someone can explain this to me!

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



    Part 2
    I am not sure they made the right move but this does tell us why they did it.

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_ ... 968226.php


    Keith Pegg
    Zama Golf



  10. James Schmid
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    1 posts
    10/29/2012 4:10 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: What? Are you stupid?

    [img">http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/scottcgcs/stupid.png[/img">


    The reason that jobs get outsourced on a large scale is very simple. Anyone can understand it.

    American buyers are not committed to buying American.If every time each of us went shopping we demanded products that were made in the USA there would be no outsourcing of American jobs. It is simply because Americans prefer to get more and cheaper goods, than to buy American made products.

    Mitt Romney is not the devil who took your job. Your neighbors did, and to a large extent most of us are all guilty of the same. It isn't the fault of "anti-American, rich, scumbag corporate owners". These individuals are beholden to their shareholders to deliver what the shareholders want, which is a return on ther investment. And again by and large investors don't really care how those returns are generated. When is the last time you bought the "made in america" mututal fund? You didn't, because it doesn't exist, because nobody cares about it. All they care about is their return.

    If you could get a 30 percent return on an investment that utilized Chinese labor 9 out of 10 would jump on it in a heartbeat vs. a "made in America" investment returning 4 percent. Stop blaming the rich fat cats. The ones shipping American jobs overseas are Americans.

    In some oddball cases jobs leave the country for other reasons, but by and large, it's because Americans don't buy American products.



  11. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    10/30/2012 9:10 AM
    Unfortunately a lot of truth to what James said about buying American. Most of us are too lazy to pick up our purchase and read the country of origin. Grab it off the shelf and throw it in the buggy.......all in too much of a hurry for our own good.

    And Ron, yes I think someone did call you stupid. But I would never repeat a rumor. He's a nice guy, just can't curb his enthusiasm for his team.



  12. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    10/30/2012 11:10 AM
    Ron,

    Read the post again. He didn't call you stupid. He "asked" you if you were stupid. Huge difference. A simple "no" would have settled the matter.

    And Dave, I never check the country of origin. If it says Wonder Bread, I know it was made in Pennsylvania by a nice Amish family. Nothing says American like having to peel white paste off the roof of your mouth.



  13. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    10/30/2012 12:10 PM
    I think I was referring to Donald Trump, but I am too stupid to remember.



  14. Ronald Conard
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    4 posts
    10/30/2012 12:10 PM
    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said: A simple "no" would have settled the matter.


    Unless the answer is "yes", "maybe", or "I don't know."



  15. McCallum David K
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    10/30/2012 1:10 PM
    That's whats wrong with these forums........my comment to the good Captain was in jest......lots of sarcasm which unfortunately does not work well thru this medium. Those that know me understand my wit and sense of humor..everyone needs to read these posts often with the same tongue in cheek as they were written.



  16. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    10/30/2012 2:10 PM
    David McCallum said: That's whats wrong with these forums........my comment to the good Captain was in jest......lots of sarcasm which unfortunately does not work well thru this medium. Those that know me understand my wit and sense of humor..everyone needs to read these posts often with the same tongue in cheek as they were written.


    Heck at first I thought you were talking about me with the team enthusiasm crack, I just couldn't figure out which one of my teams you were talking about. Shoot you are correct we say so much tongue in cheek stuff, we're luck enough to still have our tongues.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  17. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    10/31/2012 8:10 AM
    Wow Mel that my post flew way over your head but thats ok, no harm no foul.



  18. Ronald Kirkman
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    42 posts
    11/1/2012 6:11 PM
    I thought my wife was on the forum when I saw the word stupid. I know no one called me that. I'm cool

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



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