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1. Wahlin Scott B

   
   3/16/2012 3:03 PM

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2POembdArVo&feature=youtu.be

   
   
   
   
2. Peter Bowman

   

   11 posts
   
   3/16/2012 5:03 PM

   Thanks for that, Scott. I guessed correctly before clicking the link that it would be this video.
   
   So, what I got out of it is that it's still Bush's fault, nobody in the Obama Admin had any idea just how bad things were, and its still Bush's fault.
   
   Since the video will 1) convince zero Repubs to change their mind, and 2) maybe a handful of Independents still believe in Change, then 3) they had to produce a homer video to convince Dems to not jump ship.
   
   Nice job, Mr. President.

   
   
   
   
3. Wahlin Scott B

   
   3/16/2012 5:03 PM

   (Post was removed by user.) I reconsidered and it has been my pleasure to banter with you Pete.

   
   
   
   
4. Jon Gansen

   

   1 posts
   
   3/16/2012 11:03 PM

   Scott I guess I have to ask when is it Obamas responsibility? He has implemented his will, his hope, and his change. Or has he? This country had elected the first African American POTUS in its 200+ years yet we have more racisim in the last 3 years. One example, Obama Care we were to have transparency in government that didnt happen. He was to lift the have nots out of poverty, instead of giving them the tools for that he gave hand outs and extra incentives to stay where they are while demonizing the people who he thinks have to much all at the same time becoming an elitist himself. The change that has happened is a bigger slide of division all you have to do is listen to his speeches, big oil makes to much money, millionaires need to pay more because they took advantage of the system they can afford it. It is always the wall street, big business shutting the door on little guys putting up barriers so they cant succeed. Lets have some responsibility just once from him.

   
   
   
   
5. Wahlin Scott B

   
   3/17/2012 4:03 AM

   Jon Gansen said: Scott I guess I have to ask when is it Obamas responsibility?I do not see how the right does not see improvement. The Dow is up 5000 points. GM is the world's leader again. We have had 23 straight months of job growth. We are out of Iraq. The list goes on and on. PS: My business is in the black again. He has implemented his will, his hope, and his change. Or has he? This country had elected the first African American POTUS in its 200+ years yet we have more racisim in the last 3 years. Having a black president has brought racism that was already there into the light. One example, Obama Care we were to have transparency in government that didnt happen. Obama sat down with Boehner and Cantor to hash it out. He even included items of concern they mentioned. Did you watch? Their arguments had no merit, rhyme or reason whatsoever. He was to lift the have nots out of poverty, instead of giving them the tools for that he gave hand outs and extra incentives to stay where they are while demonizing the people who he thinks have to much all at the same time becoming an elitist himself. Help me. I cannot think of an example of this. The change that has happened is a bigger slide of division all you have to do is listen to his speeches, big oil makes to much money, millionaires need to pay more because they took advantage of the system they can afford it. (In order to be a Republican you have to think that cutting taxes to the rich will fix the economy and drilling more will bring the price of gas down to $2.50 per gallon.) It is always the wall street, big business shutting the door on little guys putting up barriers so they cant succeed. Lets have some responsibility just once from him.http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-16/wall_street/31199915_1_wall-street-investors-public-trust

   
   
   
   
6. Steven Kurta

   

   2 posts
   
   3/17/2012 5:03 AM

   Gansen is the new Fiscus.

   
   
   
   
7. Keith Lamb

   

   3 posts
   
   3/17/2012 9:03 AM

   Steven Kurta said: Gansen is the new Fiscus.

   
   
   
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8. Jon Gansen

   

   1 posts
   
   3/17/2012 10:03 AM

   Hey I love debate you have your side I have mine. I enjoy the banter and was once on your side but was born again to conservative in 94.
   Scott what I meant by Obama being elitist was he is the millionaire he despises, he enjoys the best of the best of everything from kids in private schools, wife entertaining herself and friends with expensive trips. Yet he puts down the class of people he himself achieved to become. He should be using that status to inspire the people.
   Hey I do enjoy this. Oh by the way 94 I was converted by Rush and Clinton.

   
   
   
   
9. Peter Bowman

   

   11 posts
   
   3/17/2012 11:03 AM

   Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: (Post was removed by user.) I reconsidered and it has been my pleasure to banter with you Pete.

   
   
   Likewise.

   
   
   
   
10. Jon Gansen

    

    1 posts
    
    3/17/2012 11:03 AM

    Steven Kurta said: Gansen is the new Fiscus.

    
    
    Yes Fiscusally conservative...

    
    
    
    
11. Robert Crockett

    

    4 posts
    
    3/18/2012 9:03 PM

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: (Post was removed by user.) I reconsidered and it has been my pleasure to banter with you Pete.

    
    A wise mans heart is at his right hand; but a fools heart is at his left.
    Obama Nation is an Abomination.... He's a Muslim....Taking our national Prayer Day away and letting the Muslim's have theirs. It's ok to BURN the Bible...because nothing will be done but turn the other cheek....But if you do or say anything or BURN the koran....if publicly recognized you'll prolly lose your life....

    
    
    
    
12. Dennis Cook

    

    1 posts
    
    3/19/2012 5:03 AM

    Scott,
    To be a republican you want tax breaks for everyone and you want smaller government. Everything government touches it screws up. Everything that the government does cost way more than when the private sector does it. When money stays in the private sector it benefits everyone. When government takes it out of the private sector then "stimulates" it with the same money it just took out, where is the benefit. You take out 100 bucks and then put 100 bucks back in, what does that stimulate? The only thing it does is redistribute that money to others to buy their vote

    
    
    
    
13. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    3/19/2012 7:03 AM

    Robert Crockett said:

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: (Post was removed by user.) I reconsidered and it has been my pleasure to banter with you Pete.

    
    A wise mans heart is at his right hand; but a fools heart is at his left.
    Obama Nation is an Abomination.... He's a Muslim....Taking our national Prayer Day away and letting the Muslim's have theirs. It's ok to BURN the Bible...because nothing will be done but turn the other cheek....But if you do or say anything or BURN the koran....if publicly recognized you'll prolly lose your life....

    
    
    Really???
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
14. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    3/19/2012 7:03 AM

    Dennis Cook said: Scott,
    To be a republican you want tax breaks for everyone and you want smaller government. Everything government touches it screws up. Everything that the government does cost way more than when the private sector does it. When money stays in the private sector it benefits everyone. When government takes it out of the private sector then "stimulates" it with the same money it just took out, where is the benefit. You take out 100 bucks and then put 100 bucks back in, what does that stimulate? The only thing it does is redistribute that money to others to buy their vote

    
    
    Dennis, by your quote, to be republican you want tax breaks for everyone, I think you left out the part about especially business because it is the republicans that believe it creates jobs, we can debate that for sure, I know it sure seemed to work under the Bush administration. (Not that there are some that will create them, heck even this president is giving them out, so they must not be that bad?) But in my opinion and it's mine, I also see that as being dependent on the government, not as many republicans believe the democrats do in their social security and medicare programs. There was a post earlier on another thread here about the difference between the right and left, where the left was creating a country on reliance on the government, well tax breaks and tax credits to me is also a reliance on the government.
    
    If we stopped playing these right and left games I would bet we could come up with social programs that help all, including the economy while also creating a business climate that would have government as a partner and watchdog to help protect the people while encouraging business. But that is just my "Hope and Change" That hope and change is not going to happen when we continue to bash one side and the other, and believe people are what they are not.....the president a Muslim? I know people still believe he is not a citizen either, no wonder we are screwed up as a country.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
15. Robert Crockett

    

    4 posts
    
    3/19/2012 8:03 AM

    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:

    Robert Crockett said:

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: (Post was removed by user.) I reconsidered and it has been my pleasure to banter with you Pete.

    
    A wise mans heart is at his right hand; but a fools heart is at his left.
    Obama Nation is an Abomination.... He's a Muslim....Taking our national Prayer Day away and letting the Muslim's have theirs. It's ok to BURN the Bible...because nothing will be done but turn the other cheek....But if you do or say anything or BURN the koran....if publicly recognized you'll prolly lose your life....

    
    
    Really???
    
    Mel

    
    Without a doubt....And I take no offence...To banter...

    
    
    
    
16. Ronald Conard

    

    4 posts
    
    3/19/2012 8:03 AM

    Dennis Cook said: Everything government touches it screws up.

    
    
    Isn't our military government?

    
    
    
    
17. McCallum David K

    
    3/19/2012 8:03 AM

    Mel I (personally) don;t think we need any more social programs. They began with the Great Society and after 40 plus years we have more poor people, more homless people, more people on food stamps, more drawing SSI disabiltiy..........just name the handout and the line has gotten longer, not shorter. If they really worked do you think in over 40 years they might have actually got one right and reduced the numbers in some category.
    
    And yes Ron the military is governement and one of the few things they do well.......at least pretty good anyway. Provide a standing army (navy, airforce etc), defend and protect our borders, collect taxes (within reason and moderation) redistribute the taxes to the states to spend as they think best, maintain our federal highways and bridges, and support various federal agencies that we need........for instance the FDA, FAA, the Corps of Engineers and then basically get out of the way.

    
    
    
    
18. Steve Nelson

    

    0 posts
    
    3/19/2012 9:03 AM

    
    A wise mans heart is at his right hand; but a fools heart is at his left.
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    If I remember my human anatomy correctly, isn't everybody's heart a little left of center? Not sure if pacemakers count though.

    
    
    
    
19. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    3/19/2012 10:03 AM

    David McCallum said: Mel I (personally) don;t think we need any more social programs. They began with the Great Society and after 40 plus years we have more poor people, more homless people, more people on food stamps, more drawing SSI disabiltiy..........just name the handout and the line has gotten longer, not shorter. If they really worked do you think in over 40 years they might have actually got one right and reduced the numbers in some category.
    
    And yes Ron the military is governement and one of the few things they do well.......at least pretty good anyway. Provide a standing army (navy, airforce etc), defend and protect our borders, collect taxes (within reason and moderation) redistribute the taxes to the states to spend as they think best, maintain our federal highways and bridges, and support various federal agencies that we need........for instance the FDA, FAA, the Corps of Engineers and then basically get out of the way.

    
    
    David,
    
    I won't disagree with more social programs, let's just fix the ones we have to work better and more efficient. If we get the economy moving forward then we would see short lines. I do think welfare lines did get shorter during the time of Clinton and Newt, that was to provide training to get off of welfare? Maybe if private industry would help provide some of the training, they wouldn't be hurting for the skilled workers they need. That would maybe be working together, the government and private business, just an opinion.
    
    And the military is something that is done very well, it's the politicians that screw it up. Heard last week or so that the army doesn't need anymore tanks until maybe 2018, and the politicians want to keep the line open and have the army buy tanks it doesn't need or is asking for. Same with the second engine for the F-38 I think?
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
20. Dennis Cook

    

    1 posts
    
    3/19/2012 5:03 PM

    hey Mel,
    
    A tax break is not reliance on the government. The money is not the governments in the first place to give back in tax breaks. Money belongs to the private sector and it is theirs to begin with. The govt chooses to take away a certain portion of that. So the reliance is from the govt to the private sector. Without the private sector the govt has no one to confiscate money from. All a tax break is, is allowing people to keep more of what they earned. That person or entity didn't need the govt to earn their money.

    
    
    
    
21. Wahlin Scott B

    
    3/19/2012 5:03 PM

    Dennis Cook said: hey Mel,
    
    A tax break is not reliance on the government. The money is not the governments in the first place to give back in tax breaks. Money belongs to the private sector and it is theirs to begin with. The govt chooses to take away a certain portion of that. So the reliance is from the govt to the private sector. Without the private sector the govt has no one to confiscate money from. All a tax break is, is allowing people to keep more of what they earned. That person or entity didn't need the govt to earn their money.

    
    
    So security and infrastructure has no value?

    
    
    
    
22. Robert Crockett

    

    4 posts
    
    3/19/2012 8:03 PM

    Steve Nelson, CGCS said:

    
    A wise mans heart is at his right hand; but a fools heart is at his left.
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    If I remember my human anatomy correctly, isn't everybody's heart a little left of center? Not sure if pacemakers count though.
    Spiritually Man

    
    
    
    
23. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    3/19/2012 10:03 PM

    Dennis Cook said: hey Mel,
    
    A tax break is not reliance on the government. The money is not the governments in the first place to give back in tax breaks. Money belongs to the private sector and it is theirs to begin with. The govt chooses to take away a certain portion of that. So the reliance is from the govt to the private sector. Without the private sector the govt has no one to confiscate money from. All a tax break is, is allowing people to keep more of what they earned. That person or entity didn't need the govt to earn their money.

    
    
    Dennis, as Scott mentioned, everyone needs infrastructure to get their "goods" to market or to do whatever business they are into. The government needs to provide that infrastructure because businesses alone are not going to build it. They rely on the government....now if you want to debate that the new business that comes from that infrastructure (heck local and state governments compete on the basis of what tax breaks they can give out to lure a business), will in turn create jobs and more tax revenue to replace the taxes that business would normally pay to have that infrastructure done, I am good with that, let's see the rate of return on the investment that tax break will provide. Of course this puts the tax burden for the roads, police protection, fire protection, etc. on the backs of the workers that work, not the business. But hey, at least there are jobs. What percentage of that $1 for the tax break gets pumped into the economy? Now I have seen many articles in the past that points out for every $1 in unemployment insurance that is paid out puts over a dollar into the economy, now that is a pretty good return on the investment, not that I propose that, at least in the other scenario you get something like infrastructure for dollars given in tax credits. I am just saying look at the bigger picture.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
24. Steven Kurta

    

    2 posts
    
    3/20/2012 5:03 AM

    Dennis Cook said: hey Mel,
    
    A tax break is not reliance on the government. The money is not the governments in the first place to give back in tax breaks. Money belongs to the private sector and it is theirs to begin with. The govt chooses to take away a certain portion of that. So the reliance is from the govt to the private sector. Without the private sector the govt has no one to confiscate money from. All a tax break is, is allowing people to keep more of what they earned. That person or entity didn't need the govt to earn their money.

    
    
    
    There is so much that's either backwards or entirely misplaced in the above statement that splicing it up with green or red text pointing out inconsistencies would just ruin the total idiocy of its logic. And that would be a shame.
    
    It's too beautiful. It's like poetry. Keep this thinking coming -- it's fascinating. Predictable but fascinating.
    It shows a complete failure, or willful neglect (more likely), to understand basic concepts.
    It's important that this kind of thinking and problem-solving be heard and shared so people can see from which direction it comes.
    I know you can't believe it, Dennis, but you're actually helping Obama win another term. Keep up the good work.

    
    
    
    
25. Dennis Cook

    

    1 posts
    
    3/20/2012 6:03 AM

    Steven Kurta said:

    Dennis Cook said: hey Mel,
    
    A tax break is not reliance on the government. The money is not the governments in the first place to give back in tax breaks. Money belongs to the private sector and it is theirs to begin with. The govt chooses to take away a certain portion of that. So the reliance is from the govt to the private sector. Without the private sector the govt has no one to confiscate money from. All a tax break is, is allowing people to keep more of what they earned. That person or entity didn't need the govt to earn their money.

    
    
    
    There is so much that's either backwards or entirely misplaced in the above statement that splicing it up with green or red text pointing out inconsistencies would just ruin the total idiocy of its logic. And that would be a shame.
    
    It's too beautiful. It's like poetry. Keep this thinking coming -- it's fascinating. Predictable but fascinating.
    It shows a complete failure, or willful neglect (more likely), to understand basic concepts.
    It's important that this kind of thinking and problem-solving be heard and shared so people can see from which direction it comes.
    I know you can't believe it, Dennis, but you're actually helping Obama win another term. Keep up the good work.

    
    
    Thanks for calling me an idiot Steven. But im right on the money. Without the private sector, their is no funding for the govt and if you cant figure that out, then who is the................?

    
    
    
    
26. Dennis Cook

    

    1 posts
    
    3/20/2012 6:03 AM

    Also without the private sector providing the funding we would not have any infrastructure anywhere. Govt doesnt pay for crap, the people of this country pay for everything through their work. Govt just has the ability to tax peoples efforts in order to provide these things. I agree that infrastructure, military, fire, law enforcement, and disabled americans is what the govt should be paying for with our tax dollars. i do not agree that the govt should be allowed to take my money away from me and give it to another person who didnt do a frickin thing to earn it

    
    
    
    
27. Wahlin Scott B

    
    3/21/2012 12:03 AM

    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv26zzUMVjc[/youtube">

    
    
    
    
28. Dennis Cook

    

    1 posts
    
    3/21/2012 5:03 AM

    Touching video Scott. The only problem is that this couples situation has only one solution and that is to remove the caps that insurance companies pay. They already have health insurance, she said in the video that they have been paying premiums for 20 years (which she looks about 30 - 35) so that means she has been paying premiums since she was about 10 or 15 years old. That was obviously a blatant attempt to tug at our heart strings by telling a lie. Now if this couple didnt have private insurance and was covered under obamacare, the govt would have been making their decisions for them. As Obama himself stated, "maybe a pain pill is a better way to go"! They may have not gotten the surgeries that were needed, because Kathleen Sebelius would have been the deciding factor, not the doctor.
    
    As far as the cap goes, its there for a reason, its there to make sure that the insurance company survives long term. If every person in the country did not have a cap and the insurance companies paid 5 million over their lifetime for every person they insure, they would go bankrupt. it doesnt take a genius to figure out that if everyone pays a lifetime premium of say, $150,000 and then gets 5 million in return, then whose gettin screwed? Obviously its the insurance company. But no one thinks about that, no one thinks about their viability when congress is mandating they pay for all these things. If congress wants to mandate no caps, they can do that individually after obamacare is repealed, but they shouldnt put limits on what the premiums can be then. Insurance companies have to pay for these added cost to their business and they would do that through higher premiums. But if the libs had their way they would limit premium increases to force insurance companies to close their doors.
    
    Maybe congress could write a law that makes people automatically eligible for medicaid if they hit their lifetime cap. Albeit, that person would then pay their existing premium to the state.
    
    Theres consequences for every decision made for all folks. Its just in this case it has a child involved so automatically everyone thinks those insurance companies are so mean because they capped their lifetime maximum. Well no one ever says, thank god for that insurance company for paying 1 million dollars for that kid to have all the heart surgeries. The reason that kid is alive is first because of the great doctors that we have in this country, but second because that mean old insurance company paid for the procedures. This couple makes it out like the ACA saved their little girl, when in fact it had nothing to do with it. The doctors and insurance company saved that little girl. But everyone will just keep demonizing those mean old insurance companies. I say thank god they are there.

    
    
    
    
29. Wahlin Scott B

    
    3/21/2012 8:03 AM

    Dennis Cook said: Touching video Scott. The only problem is that this couples situation has only one solution and that is to remove the caps that insurance companies pay. They already have health insurance, she said in the video that they have been paying premiums for 20 years (which she looks about 30 - 35) so that means she has been paying premiums since she was about 10 or 15 years old. That was obviously a blatant attempt to tug at our heart strings by telling a lie. Now if this couple didnt have private insurance and was covered under obamacare, the govt would have been making their decisions for them. As Obama himself stated, "maybe a pain pill is a better way to go"! They may have not gotten the surgeries that were needed, because Kathleen Sebelius would have been the deciding factor, not the doctor.
    
    As far as the cap goes, its there for a reason, its there to make sure that the insurance company survives long term. If every person in the country did not have a cap and the insurance companies paid 5 million over their lifetime for every person they insure, they would go bankrupt. it doesnt take a genius to figure out that if everyone pays a lifetime premium of say, $150,000 and then gets 5 million in return, then whose gettin screwed? Obviously its the insurance company. But no one thinks about that, no one thinks about their viability when congress is mandating they pay for all these things. If congress wants to mandate no caps, they can do that individually after obamacare is repealed, but they shouldnt put limits on what the premiums can be then. Insurance companies have to pay for these added cost to their business and they would do that through higher premiums. But if the libs had their way they would limit premium increases to force insurance companies to close their doors.
    
    Maybe congress could write a law that makes people automatically eligible for medicaid if they hit their lifetime cap. Albeit, that person would then pay their existing premium to the state.
    
    Theres consequences for every decision made for all folks. Its just in this case it has a child involved so automatically everyone thinks those insurance companies are so mean because they capped their lifetime maximum. Well no one ever says, thank god for that insurance company for paying 1 million dollars for that kid to have all the heart surgeries. The reason that kid is alive is first because of the great doctors that we have in this country, but second because that mean old insurance company paid for the procedures. This couple makes it out like the ACA saved their little girl, when in fact it had nothing to do with it. The doctors and insurance company saved that little girl. But everyone will just keep demonizing those mean old insurance companies. I say thank god they are there.

    
    
    Other countries do it. We can too.

    
    
    
    
30. Keith Fellenstein

    

    0 posts
    
    3/21/2012 11:03 AM

    Steven Kurta said:

    Dennis Cook said: hey Mel,
    
    A tax break is not reliance on the government. The money is not the governments in the first place to give back in tax breaks. Money belongs to the private sector and it is theirs to begin with. The govt chooses to take away a certain portion of that. So the reliance is from the govt to the private sector. Without the private sector the govt has no one to confiscate money from. All a tax break is, is allowing people to keep more of what they earned. That person or entity didn't need the govt to earn their money.

    
    
    
    There is so much that's either backwards or entirely misplaced in the above statement that splicing it up with green or red text pointing out inconsistencies would just ruin the total idiocy of its logic. And that would be a shame.
    
    It's too beautiful. It's like poetry. Keep this thinking coming -- it's fascinating. Predictable but fascinating.
    It shows a complete failure, or willful neglect (more likely), to understand basic concepts.
    It's important that this kind of thinking and problem-solving be heard and shared so people can see from which direction it comes.
    I know you can't believe it, Dennis, but you're actually helping Obama win another term. Keep up the good work.

    
    
    Steven could you be so kind as to expound on your reply? Feel free to dumb it down for me and all the other idiots.