Forum Groups

 

Forums / Politics / Lining up to leave California

Lining up to leave California

51 posts
  1. Sandy Clark
    Sandy Clark avatar
    0 posts
    11/9/2012 9:11 AM
    While driving home yesterday, I heard that California will be taking some hits larger than anticipated. I believe it was Boeing that was laying off 20,000 people and closing all facilities in California. Northrup Grummond, Lockheed and Rayethon are all seriously talking about leaving California very soon. We are now virtually a one party dictatorship. The dems have full control of both the legislature and the senate and even Jerry Brown will not be able to control his own party. We have the extreme of the extreme in all leadership positions. California has probably experienced the largest exodus of companies in the country and from the sound of things it will accelerate in 2013. Good bye job creators. Where will the dependent class get their money when so much revenue will be lost to surrounding business friendly states? The most shocking is the porn industry. They will depart from Los Angeles and move to surrounding locations due to over regulation! It might sound laughable but I guess it generates a huge amount of money that Los Angeles will now lose. I hope California isn't a harbinger of things to come for the rest of the country.



  2. Kim Brock
    Kim Brock avatar
    3 posts
    11/9/2012 11:11 PM
    Sandy,

    I hope you are incorrect about the rest of the country. Socialistic programs make rich people poorer and poor people poorer.



  3. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    11/10/2012 4:11 AM
    Sandy and (a boy named) Kim,

    Life in America as you knew it is over. We misinterpreted the Bible passage about gay men obviously. A number of states legalized gay marriage AND marijuana, so "men who lay with men should be stoned" takes on a whole new meaning. It is time for Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and all of the haters to crash and burn. Your hatred of people different than you is not healthy for an open-door country like America. Whether you like them or not we get the best of every other country's people. We get the strongest, the smartest, the toughest, you name it. Haters need to step back now.



  4. Trevor Monreal
    Trevor Monreal avatar
    5 posts
    11/10/2012 11:11 AM
    So...America now has an open door to ALL but to those with strong moral values.
    They are called haters and need to step back. No freedom/liberty for them.
    Thank God those haters that founded this country didn't step back.
    But, I'm afraid you are right...that America is over.
    I hope our enimies fear/respect this new America as much as they did the America of our Greatest Generation.
    Time for me to kick back, burn off a couple, and watch the rest of the show...



  5. Andrew Cross
    Andrew Cross avatar
    5 posts
    11/10/2012 11:11 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: Sandy and (a boy named) Kim,

    Life in America as you knew it is over. We misinterpreted the Bible passage about gay men obviously. A number of states legalized gay marriage AND marijuana, so "men who lay with men should be stoned" takes on a whole new meaning. It is time for Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and all of the haters to crash and burn. [u">Your hatred of people different than you is not healthy for an open-door country like America[/u">. Whether you like them or not we get the best of every other country's people. We get the strongest, the smartest, the toughest, you name it. Haters need to step back now.


    Really Scott? You are one to talk on that subject. You openly call everyone who disagrees with the Obama administration an idiot. You are by the far the person on this forum with the most hate. If you read the original post he never said anything about hating anyone, he simply speculated (and correctly I believe) that over regulation and lack of balance will cause companies to leave for greener pastures.

    You may now add me to your list of hated forum users for having an opinion that does not coincide with yours.

    Have a good weekend and god bless you and your family.



  6. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    11/10/2012 1:11 PM
    I don't hate you Andrew, but I think you would be happier in Somalia. You should at least give it a try. Hey, you could blog about it!



  7. Andrew Cross
    Andrew Cross avatar
    5 posts
    11/10/2012 2:11 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: I don't hate you Andrew, but I think you would be happier in Somalia. You should at least give it a try. Hey, you could blog about it!


    Nah, I'm perfectly happy living here in America. Hope you enjoyed the blog!



  8. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    11/10/2012 2:11 PM
    Andrew Cross said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: I don't hate you Andrew, but I think you would be happier in Somalia. You should at least give it a try. Hey, you could blog about it!


    Nah, I'm perfectly happy living here in America. Hope you enjoyed the blog!


    How can you be happy with a socialist, communist, radical muslim president whose only desire in life to to dominate and kill infidels? That seems a little weird to me.



  9. Andrew Cross
    Andrew Cross avatar
    5 posts
    11/10/2012 3:11 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Andrew Cross said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: I don't hate you Andrew, but I think you would be happier in Somalia. You should at least give it a try. Hey, you could blog about it!


    Nah, I'm perfectly happy living here in America. Hope you enjoyed the blog!


    How can you be happy with a socialist, communist, radical muslim president whose only desire in life to to dominate and kill infidels? That seems a little weird to me.


    Those are your words not mine, is there something you'd like to tell the rest of us?

    PS: Where do you come up with this stuff? Maybe you have a video for that?



  10. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    11/11/2012 6:11 AM
    Not being versed and educated in physcology I am sure there is some deep seated paranoia somewhere in Scott's background. If you disagree with him, you're an idiot, right wing ideologue, fascist, KKK'er just name your label. The man with advice for everyone except himself.



  11. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    11/11/2012 7:11 AM
    Here's some advice for you; your President for the next four years is Barack Hussein Obama; Obamacare is a reality; we are going to end the war in Afghanistan; we are not going back to Iraq; we don't need more submarines and aircraft carriers and you should learn to use spell check. Get used to it.

    PS: No one is versed in physcology.



  12. Kim Brock
    Kim Brock avatar
    3 posts
    11/11/2012 8:11 PM
    Scott, FYI: I live in Washington State and I voted against gay marriage and legalizing pot. Both are BS if you ask me. I live on the east side of the state which is usually more conservative and the west side is very liberal. Our state is controlled by Democrats and we are also running big deficit. I voted against Pres. Obama both times. I don't like the government living beyond their means. I am not a bad person just a person with a different point of view. At 55 years old I do act like a boy sometimes.
    Kim



  13. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    11/11/2012 9:11 PM
    Kim Brock said: Scott, FYI: I live in Washington State and I voted against gay marriage and legalizing pot. Both are BS if you ask me. I live on the east side of the state which is usually more conservative and the west side is very liberal. Our state is controlled by Democrats and we are also running big deficit. I voted against Pres. Obama both times. I don't like the government living beyond their means. I am not a bad person just a person with a different point of view. At 55 years old I do act like a boy sometimes.
    Kim


    Thank you. That is an extremely reasonable response. This forum would be much more pleasant with more responses like this. Having said that President Clinton was the first President to produce a surplus in almost 100 years! President Obama is moving us in that direction, but high earners are going to have pay the same percentage as you do in order to make that happen. What is the major malfunction of the Right to see that this is necessary?



  14. Spotts David A
    Spotts David A avatar
    11/12/2012 5:11 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Kim Brock said: What is the major malfunction of the Right to see that this is necessary?

    They claim they need these tax cuts to not hurt the job creators but from what I have seen, these job creators are just sitting on the cash and making current employees work more.they had these cuts for 12 years now. Since they don't have to fight Obamas' election, maybe they will start hiring. Not holding my breath.



  15. Clay Putnam
    Clay Putnam avatar
    33 posts
    11/12/2012 6:11 AM
    David Spotts said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Kim Brock said: What is the major malfunction of the Right to see that this is necessary?

    They claim they need these tax cuts to not hurt the job creators but from what I have seen, these job creators are just sitting on the cash and making current employees work more.they had these cuts for 12 years now. Since they don't have to fight Obamas' election, maybe they will start hiring. Not holding my breath.


    It's deeper than that David. It's easy to go after those that make $250,000. You know, the "low hanging fruit" thing. But the biggest reason people and business are hoarding their cash is they don't trust the current administration.

    Side note, my intent is not to create an argument.

    Back to the topic. These potential tax increases are exhibit A of why the cash is locked in the safe. Most business looks at this administration as reckless and reacting on emotion rather than intellect and good sense.

    I will use my own story as an example. My wife and I opened a retail business. We had a very good business plan, pitched the idea to a lender and the lender was on board right away. We had a plan to expand the business to open a dozen locations within 2 years. Each location would employee 4 to 6 staff members, pay payroll tax, pay sales tax, pay rent to landlords, purchase product from distributors who in-turn pay taxes on our purchases, and on and on. However, after just a couple months we started receiving red flags projecting major tax implications and regulations that would devastate our business model. So we waited. We sat on the cash that was available to us. We did not want to extend the capital with the knowledge that the government would regulate and tax us out of business. Fast forward 3.5 years to today. The regulations and taxes are now upon us. We still only have one location. We had to dump more money into this one location to keep the doors open and we are holding on by a string. We have completely revamped our business model to fit this one store as opening more locations would be more trouble than it is worth. As such, we did lay off staff, we will not hire staff for the other planned locations, our sales are down, our margins are down, and our cost of goods sold is up. Business 101 tells us this is a failing formula, all of which came as a result of our government. We hope to have the new business model operational by the first of the year so we can rescue this one location. We think we can resuscitate the business but if the government rears its ugly head again, we're tapping out. All our staff will be unemployed, we will no longer pay payroll taxes, we will no longer pay sales tax, the business will have to file for bankruptcy, the business will default on loans, the business will default on leases, etc. You get the idea. We had a young thriving business that employed staff and paid a lot of taxes and was a contributor to the economy. Now we are on the verge of a losing it all and become a drag on the economy. And all as a result of this administrations decisions. This is but one story of why business is not willing to take a chance with their capital.



  16. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    11/12/2012 8:11 AM
    Scott my boy you are correct in that Barrack Hussien Obama will be your president for the next four years, Obamacare will ruin this country and I totally agree that we don't need any more more war......this coming from somone who served and has two purple hearts to show for it so you are preaching the choir Scotty. Time will tell if we no longer need any more ships or submarines or bayonets.



  17. Melvin Waldron
    Melvin Waldron avatar
    43 posts
    11/12/2012 11:11 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    David Spotts said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Kim Brock said: What is the major malfunction of the Right to see that this is necessary?

    They claim they need these tax cuts to not hurt the job creators but from what I have seen, these job creators are just sitting on the cash and making current employees work more.they had these cuts for 12 years now. Since they don't have to fight Obamas' election, maybe they will start hiring. Not holding my breath.


    It's deeper than that David. It's easy to go after those that make $250,000. You know, the "low hanging fruit" thing. But the biggest reason people and business are hoarding their cash is they don't trust the current administration.

    Side note, my intent is not to create an argument.

    Back to the topic. These potential tax increases are exhibit A of why the cash is locked in the safe. Most business looks at this administration as reckless and reacting on emotion rather than intellect and good sense.

    I will use my own story as an example. My wife and I opened a retail business. We had a very good business plan, pitched the idea to a lender and the lender was on board right away. We had a plan to expand the business to open a dozen locations within 2 years. Each location would employee 4 to 6 staff members, pay payroll tax, pay sales tax, pay rent to landlords, purchase product from distributors who in-turn pay taxes on our purchases, and on and on. However, after just a couple months we started receiving red flags projecting major tax implications and regulations that would devastate our business model. So we waited. We sat on the cash that was available to us. We did not want to extend the capital with the knowledge that the government would regulate and tax us out of business. Fast forward 3.5 years to today. The regulations and taxes are now upon us. We still only have one location. We had to dump more money into this one location to keep the doors open and we are holding on by a string. We have completely revamped our business model to fit this one store as opening more locations would be more trouble than it is worth. As such, we did lay off staff, we will not hire staff for the other planned locations, our sales are down, our margins are down, and our cost of goods sold is up. Business 101 tells us this is a failing formula, all of which came as a result of our government. We hope to have the new business model operational by the first of the year so we can rescue this one location. We think we can resuscitate the business but if the government rears its ugly head again, we're tapping out. All our staff will be unemployed, we will no longer pay payroll taxes, we will no longer pay sales tax, the business will have to file for bankruptcy, the business will default on loans, the business will default on leases, etc. You get the idea. We had a young thriving business that employed staff and paid a lot of taxes and was a contributor to the economy. Now we are on the verge of a losing it all and become a drag on the economy. And all as a result of this administrations decisions. This is but one story of why business is not willing to take a chance with their capital.


    Sorry to hear about that Clay, but could you be more specific on which regulations and taxes? What all I remember hearing, there are tax credits for hiring, there are tax credits for hiring veterans, the payroll taxes have been cut, locally and at the state level there are many tax credits being handed out. Healthcare sounds like it would not affect you as your staffing levels are under the number that triggers providing for your employees. But what I'm guessing is, most of those tax credits benefit larger companies with many more employees.

    I would hope you explain these issues to your congressman and other elected officials and see what they do about it, maybe the tax credits for larger businesses could be curtailed for the truly small businesses that are the backbone of the economy. I do know of small businesses in our town that have expanded and I explained it in an earlier post about Red Lobsters and Olive Gardens cutting jobs, these small business people are in the restaurant business and expanded to it's third location, It seems the taxes and regulations didn't stop them. Maybe they run each restaurant as separate entities, maybe it's the donations they give out (they are part of the many business groups that helped with providing artificial turfs on our 4 of 5 city high school football fields). It would be interesting to understand why they are expanding when other businesses don't.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  18. Sandy Clark
    Sandy Clark avatar
    0 posts
    11/12/2012 12:11 PM
    Scott, I truly think you have gone off the deep end and your anger is getting the best of you. I believe my post was purely about California and business leaving. I also believe I was the one who stated immediately after the election that we as a group could help improve the political environment if we all made a point of sticking to facts and no longer be involved in any personal bashing. Your guy won, many of us lost. We accept that and will just have to hope our concerns have been wrong or figure out a way of working things out. I certainly don't know how anything i said would be called hate. As far as Limbaugh and the rest of the talk shows, that is called free speech and is guaranteed in the constitution. I would hate to see our country give up our differences of opinion and our right to express them. If we did, we would have evolved into something none of us would like. I don't agree with your rants but I defend your right to believe and state your opinions. Instead of being happy that your candidate won, it seems you have gone the opposite direction and sound unreasonably angry!



  19. Clay Putnam
    Clay Putnam avatar
    33 posts
    11/12/2012 12:11 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    David Spotts said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Kim Brock said: What is the major malfunction of the Right to see that this is necessary?

    They claim they need these tax cuts to not hurt the job creators but from what I have seen, these job creators are just sitting on the cash and making current employees work more.they had these cuts for 12 years now. Since they don't have to fight Obamas' election, maybe they will start hiring. Not holding my breath.


    It's deeper than that David. It's easy to go after those that make $250,000. You know, the "low hanging fruit" thing. But the biggest reason people and business are hoarding their cash is they don't trust the current administration.

    Side note, my intent is not to create an argument.

    Back to the topic. These potential tax increases are exhibit A of why the cash is locked in the safe. Most business looks at this administration as reckless and reacting on emotion rather than intellect and good sense.

    I will use my own story as an example. My wife and I opened a retail business. We had a very good business plan, pitched the idea to a lender and the lender was on board right away. We had a plan to expand the business to open a dozen locations within 2 years. Each location would employee 4 to 6 staff members, pay payroll tax, pay sales tax, pay rent to landlords, purchase product from distributors who in-turn pay taxes on our purchases, and on and on. However, after just a couple months we started receiving red flags projecting major tax implications and regulations that would devastate our business model. So we waited. We sat on the cash that was available to us. We did not want to extend the capital with the knowledge that the government would regulate and tax us out of business. Fast forward 3.5 years to today. The regulations and taxes are now upon us. We still only have one location. We had to dump more money into this one location to keep the doors open and we are holding on by a string. We have completely revamped our business model to fit this one store as opening more locations would be more trouble than it is worth. As such, we did lay off staff, we will not hire staff for the other planned locations, our sales are down, our margins are down, and our cost of goods sold is up. Business 101 tells us this is a failing formula, all of which came as a result of our government. We hope to have the new business model operational by the first of the year so we can rescue this one location. We think we can resuscitate the business but if the government rears its ugly head again, we're tapping out. All our staff will be unemployed, we will no longer pay payroll taxes, we will no longer pay sales tax, the business will have to file for bankruptcy, the business will default on loans, the business will default on leases, etc. You get the idea. We had a young thriving business that employed staff and paid a lot of taxes and was a contributor to the economy. Now we are on the verge of a losing it all and become a drag on the economy. And all as a result of this administrations decisions. This is but one story of why business is not willing to take a chance with their capital.


    Sorry to hear about that Clay, but could you be more specific on which regulations and taxes? What all I remember hearing, there are tax credits for hiring, there are tax credits for hiring veterans, the payroll taxes have been cut, locally and at the state level there are many tax credits being handed out. Healthcare sounds like it would not affect you as your staffing levels are under the number that triggers providing for your employees. But what I'm guessing is, most of those tax credits benefit larger companies with many more employees.

    I would hope you explain these issues to your congressman and other elected officials and see what they do about it, maybe the tax credits for larger businesses could be curtailed for the truly small businesses that are the backbone of the economy. I do know of small businesses in our town that have expanded and I explained it in an earlier post about Red Lobsters and Olive Gardens cutting jobs, these small business people are in the restaurant business and expanded to it's third location, It seems the taxes and regulations didn't stop them. Maybe they run each restaurant as separate entities, maybe it's the donations they give out (they are part of the many business groups that helped with providing artificial turfs on our 4 of 5 city high school football fields). It would be interesting to understand why they are expanding when other businesses don't.

    Mel


    No Mel, I have no interest in explaining my circumstances. I am not trying to be rude but I prefer not air my personal issues in this setting. Suffice it to say that taxes and regulations have created the position we find ourselves. The purpose of my post was to point out that there are consequences to the current administration's policies. The left wants to sell taxes and regulations as good and patriotic. The left will also throw everything at the wall to justify the taxes and regulations including to suggest that "business can afford it". Now don't get me wrong, I believe we need taxes and regulations. But there are consequences to them and my story is merely an illustration of those consequences. So when someone would suggest that tax and regulation is our salvation to pull us out of a bad economy, I would disagree.



  20. Spotts David A
    Spotts David A avatar
    11/12/2012 2:11 PM
    " So when someone would suggest that tax and regulation is our salvation to pull us out of a bad economy, I would disagree."

    I am not suggesting that one little thing like letting the tax cuts expire on businesses is going to fix what is wrong. I am merely pointing out that Tammy Faye Boehner calls it taxing the job creators and if that's what they intend to do with it then let's go. If they're sitting on it for 4 more years because of the outcome of the election then I say take away that break. Maybe give it to people like me who will immediately put it into the economy because I am not sitting on any cash. I need some to spend on appliances, a car,to repair my central air, and many other thing that I am putting off simply because I don't want to do these things on my credit. Just stop saying they are job creators if they are sitting on it, whatever the reason.



  21. Melvin Waldron
    Melvin Waldron avatar
    43 posts
    11/12/2012 6:11 PM
    Clay, I respect you not wanting to explain your exact situation, and certainly don't expect you to. I just wondered what are all the regulations and taxes that many, especially those on the right have been going against, which of these regulations are causing people not to expand their businesses? I thought you being in that position you could educate us that aren't in that position as to the challenges, but like I said above, that is your business.

    When we don't know what challenges are put into place all we can rely on is talking points and when I see a local business expanding I just have to wonder.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  22. Ronald Kirkman
    Ronald Kirkman avatar
    42 posts
    11/12/2012 7:11 PM
    Sandy,

    Last week there was an elderly gentleman on a news program and I think he owned some coal mines. I know he said they power a lot of electricity. He stated he had to lay off 326 employees which is 8% of his work force. (Not to sure of these numbers but I think I am pretty close.)

    Well, his point is the EPA. There are some regulations and he said Mr. Obama will approve three of them. He would not approve of them before the election. This will just about put him out of business. He said right now the layoffs will affect Pennsylvania and either Ohio or Virginia.

    Also, on that station it showed numerous companies that were going to have massive layoffs in the very near future.

    I'm sure someone out there can help on this subject. Professor, (Scott) are you out there? Maybe you can help me out.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA 02492



  23. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    11/12/2012 11:11 PM
    Ronald Kirkman said: Sandy,

    Last week there was an elderly gentleman on a news program and I think he owned some coal mines. I know he said they power a lot of electricity. He stated he had to lay off 326 employees which is 8% of his work force. (Not to sure of these numbers but I think I am pretty close.)

    Well, his point is the EPA. There are some regulations and he said Mr. Obama will approve three of them. He would not approve of them before the election. This will just about put him out of business. He said right now the layoffs will affect Pennsylvania and either Ohio or Virginia.

    Also, on that station it showed numerous companies that were going to have massive layoffs in the very near future.

    I'm sure someone out there can help on this subject. Professor, (Scott) are you out there? Maybe you can help me out.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA 02492


    Hey, I am thinking there are a lot of guys on this forum who should at least spend a few months in Somalia, or maybe Yemen, just to check it out. I really do think you would be happier there. It is for sure you are miserable here.



  24. Niemier Rick A
    Niemier Rick A avatar
    11/13/2012 3:11 AM
    Ronald Kirkman said: Sandy,

    Last week there was an elderly gentleman on a news program and I think he owned some coal mines. I know he said they power a lot of electricity. He stated he had to lay off 326 employees which is 8% of his work force. (Not to sure of these numbers but I think I am pretty close.)

    Well, his point is the EPA. There are some regulations and he said Mr. Obama will approve three of them. He would not approve of them before the election. This will just about put him out of business. He said right now the layoffs will affect Pennsylvania and either Ohio or Virginia.

    Also, on that station it showed numerous companies that were going to have massive layoffs in the very near future.

    I'm sure someone out there can help on this subject. Professor, (Scott) are you out there? Maybe you can help me out.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA 02492


    Capt,

    This "elderly gentleman" is Bob Murray of Murray Energy. A few things that Mr. Murray neglected to state. Utility companies are using natural gas right now because it is cheaper than coal, although that is changing. Improved energy efficiency is also creating less demand for coal. Other coal companies have a more positive outlook on the future of coal. It is pretty hard to blame Obama when the Clean Air Act of 1970 and the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990 are what the EPA is following. Mr. Murray is/was a big supporter of Romney and has been a long time GOP supporter. He promised to down size his company if Obama was re-elected. He did not "have" to layoff 326 employees. If you want to find out about Bob Murray just google him and read from several sources about the kind of person he is.



  25. Spotts David A
    Spotts David A avatar
    11/13/2012 5:11 AM
    sounds like these coal guys, including the one who ran against Bob Casey in my state of PA. complain about regulations that are designed to give us cleaner air and a less polluted planet. I personally don't want to trade these benefits off so he can make even more money. If he thinks he won't make enough profit and has to lay off workers then he may be greedy and his workers may be better off to find a company that will not put them in very hazardous situations for low pay.



  26. Clay Putnam
    Clay Putnam avatar
    33 posts
    11/13/2012 5:11 AM
    David Spotts said: sounds like these coal guys, including the one who ran against Bob Casey in my state of PA. complain about regulations that are designed to give us cleaner air and a less polluted planet. I personally don't want to trade these benefits off so he can make even more money. If he thinks he won't make enough profit and has to lay off workers then he may be greedy and his workers may be better off to find a company that will not put them in very hazardous situations for low pay.


    That very well could be the case. Of course it also could be that the regulations make a profit too difficult.

    A lot of these coal locations are located in obscure locations making employment opportunities slim to none. Finding another job could prove difficult if not impossible.



  27. Melvin Waldron
    Melvin Waldron avatar
    43 posts
    11/13/2012 7:11 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    David Spotts said: sounds like these coal guys, including the one who ran against Bob Casey in my state of PA. complain about regulations that are designed to give us cleaner air and a less polluted planet. I personally don't want to trade these benefits off so he can make even more money. If he thinks he won't make enough profit and has to lay off workers then he may be greedy and his workers may be better off to find a company that will not put them in very hazardous situations for low pay.


    That very well could be the case. Of course it also could be that the regulations make a profit too difficult.

    A lot of these coal locations are located in obscure locations making employment opportunities slim to none. Finding another job could prove difficult if not impossible.


    Which goes to the point of trying to find a balance. This Mr. Murry would do well if he would invest in research to maybe make his product less hazardous to the public. This money he invest would I'm sure be deducted from the taxes he pays. Does he make as much of a profit? No, does he still make enough for himself to live? I'm sure he has enough money around to survive. Does he provide his investors with enough profit to continue to invest in his company? That is a good question. Does he stumble on something to allow his company to adapt and change and survive and in the long run prosper once again? That would be the hope.

    As when I watched and commented on in another post, that show on the History Channel about those people who helped build America, they seemed at that time to have an attitude similar to Mr. Murry. Later in life they did become great leaders at giving back, but what really allowed America to prosper was when people like Henry Ford, Hersey, and other business owners of that generation started to pay living wages for their employees and provide products those employees wanted and could afford the country prospered. Of course there were bumps in the road, similar to now in my opinion.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  28. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    11/13/2012 8:11 AM
    Good post Sandy and yes Scott is an angry man. Not sure why but he is I like it fine right here in the US of A. I never made any asinine statements about moving out of the country if the opponent of my candidate won. What's the deal with Somalia anyway........it seems to be mentioned in every post of late. A diversion from Benghazi I guess.



  29. Ronald Kirkman
    Ronald Kirkman avatar
    42 posts
    11/13/2012 11:11 AM
    Mr. Niemier & Mr. Spotts;

    Thanks for the information on Mr. Murray. As you noticed I was clueless on this subject. All anyone has to do on the forum is ask a question and it usually gets answered. Thanks again.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  30. Spotts David A
    Spotts David A avatar
    11/13/2012 2:11 PM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    David Spotts said: sounds like these coal guys, including the one who ran against Bob Casey in my state of PA. complain about regulations that are designed to give us cleaner air and a less polluted planet. I personally don't want to trade these benefits off so he can make even more money. If he thinks he won't make enough profit and has to lay off workers then he may be greedy and his workers may be better off to find a company that will not put them in very hazardous situations for low pay.


    That very well could be the case. Of course it also could be that the regulations make a profit too difficult.

    A lot of these coal locations are located in obscure locations making employment opportunities slim to none. Finding another job could prove difficult if not impossible.


    If the regulations make it impossible for him to make money, then why are there any coal companies left. They must be doing something different than him or they are happy to make a smaller profit and provide jobs. Maybe he should look into how the other coal companies are doing it.



View or change your forums profile here.