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Stephen Okula

3 posts

12/4/2015 3:12 AM

The latest from Donald Trump is that the U.S. should "take out" the families of terrorists.

The San Bernardino shooters left a six-month old baby with the grandmother while they went on their rampage. Presumably, Trump (and, by extension, the 30% or so of Republican voters who support him) would be okay with the cold blooded murder of an innocent, six-month old, American citizen and a grandmother in the name of "national security".

Trump is an insane megalomaniac, and it's absolutely terrifying that there are so many Americans applauding him.

And Ted Cruz creeps me out, too.

Clay Putnam

33 posts

12/4/2015 5:12 AM

Mr. Okula,

Go stand in the corner, young man...

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Steven Kurta

2 posts

12/4/2015 6:12 AM

That eye for an eye attitude is pretty popular over here lately. Half the country, easily, is very "Merka" and doesn't care if it's views are mistaken, misplaced, and historically wrong. Remember Bush II and how Damn-the-torpedos he got after 911? -- it's kind of the same atmosphere, though, instead of a made-up WMD threat to predicate a war on, the right thinks they're "safe space" is under attack from every angle and they actually fear that their way of life is being "lost" -- as a result they're only looking inward instead of outward to see where they fit in.
Spoiler: they don't fit in (the far right, that is -- moderates get a pass says king kurta)
There's enough fear and hate going around that we're looking at a swing to the right in the presidency, it's just a matter of who.

We'll get the same decay if a gop candidate is elected that you saw in Canada under Harper.
It's too bad. We were doing well there for a minute.

And you'll notice, suddenly, nobody is talking about the economy anymore.. Credit where credit is due? Never!
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/01/obamas ... 15-update/

Steven Kurta

2 posts

12/4/2015 6:12 AM

As I was sort of stupid to it -- This explained, for me, pretty much what the heck is going on and why..no judgement, no right or left viewpoint, no info babes, just the cold hard facts, ma'am.

From Lebanese blogger Karl Sharro..

"Simple" explanation for the rise of the Islamic State militant group in one very long sentence which basically epitomizes why Trump's "kill their families" approach is moronic and shows how little he understand why what's happening, is happening. That's the truly scary part -- that there are people that don't understand what a power vacuum looks like and yet they still support the kind of rhetoric that helped create it.
That's some true madness right thurr. And I guarantee there's a hopped up 20-something islamo-fascist that relies on that western lack of understanding and consequent knee-jerk reaction.
Not enough people understand world history. Trump surely doesn't, or just doesn't care.

(click for embiggening)
https://twitter.com/KarlreMarks/status/ ... wsrc%5Etfw

Steven Kurta

2 posts

12/4/2015 6:12 AM

In the middle of a good audiobook on the fallout of colonialism and the implications (good and bad) on today's societies. Explains a lot of why we're dealing with post slavery/race issues, poverty in the Americas, and the link to terrorism, globally..
Interesting study on human nature and what was behind the decisions that were made to get us this far along as a species.
Why Nations Fail
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Nations-Fail- ... 0307719227

Clay Putnam

33 posts

12/4/2015 8:12 AM

Steven Kurta said: In the middle of a good audiobook on the fallout of colonialism and the implications (good and bad) on today's societies. Explains a lot of why we're dealing with post slavery/race issues, poverty in the Americas, and the link to terrorism, globally..
Interesting study on human nature and what was behind the decisions that were made to get us this far along as a species.
Why Nations Fail
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Nations-Fail- ... 0307719227

Read the book a couple years ago. Good stuff...

Edited - I'm curious of your interpretation when you finish. Its been a couple years since I read the book and I have CRS so I have to dig deep for my recollection. I don't want to be the spoiler so I'll keep my yap shut till you finish.

Peter Bowman

11 posts

12/5/2015 9:12 AM

"You want the simple one line explanation for what caused ISIS?" I think I followed that. Or, you could shorten it to a simple two word explanation. The religion.

What's an "extremist" Muslim, anyway? They're the ones who actually follow through with what the Quran calls them to do.

How about a "moderate" Muslim? What's that mean? They just haven't followed through yet, and hopefully never will.

OK, beat me up now.

Larry Allan

0 posts

12/5/2015 1:12 PM

Peter Bowman, CGCS said: "You want the simple one line explanation for what caused ISIS?" I think I followed that. Or, you could shorten it to a simple two word explanation. The religion.

What's an "extremist" Muslim, anyway? They're the ones who actually follow through with what the Quran calls them to do.

How about a "moderate" Muslim? What's that mean? They just haven't followed through yet, and hopefully never will.

OK, beat me up now.

No Beatings but an Extremist Muslims would be the same as an extremist Christians. Ones who takes their religious doctrine verbatim,
Having never read the Qu'ran, I can't speak to it but having read, word for word, the Bible, there is one heck of a lot of things you must be put to death for in unpleasant ways. Burning down entire cities is not out of the question, if you take the bible literally. The Bible is not a very nice book

http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm

David Slaughters Them

"And he brought out the people that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes..." (I Chronicles 20:3)
Comment

Chapters 17-19 (17-18-19) tells us that David killed 22,000 Syrians and that Abishai killed 18,000 Edomites. No one expresses shame at such slaughters.

Here in 20:3, we have David, counted as a great leader of the Israelites, slaughtering captives after the cessation of hostilities.

Clay Putnam

33 posts

12/5/2015 3:12 PM

I read half of the Qur-'aan and I had to put it down. From what I read it is a book of many things and complexity. It's a "how to" manual, literally, for living life as a Muslim. The book even details the beneficiaries of your belongings when you die. It is contradictory in that there are many passages describing death to infidels and women yet also describes forgiveness and peace. Most interestingly, to me anyway, is the Qur-'aan pays great tribute to the earth and the environment.

I had similar thoughts as Red. The Bible can be very violent just like the Qur-'aan. The difference is somewhere along the way Christians almost unanimously adopted the peace/loving aspect of the Bible. Can't say the same for Muslims. It's no wonder some Muslims are confused about their book. They can't even decide how to spell it, Qur-'aan/Quran/Qur'an

Mahaffey Donald

12/5/2015 5:12 PM

I think this is a good read if you want to learn how many of Islam's leaders view how their religion is being abused.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/2 ... 78038.html

As for why Trump has gained so much traction, I see two reasons.

One, there is a huge part of the American population that feels left out by the current administration. Like it or not, rural America pretty much thinks that the Obama administration doesn't give a hoot about their future. Maybe turnabout is fair play because much of the inner cities and blighted urban areas haven't exactly been given great consideration by previous administrations. I forget the year, but based on current demographic trends, white Americans will be a minority on 2031 or something like that. In many areas it has already happened. Are they getting a taste of their own medicine, I suppose so. But at the same time, as they become a minority, do they start to obtain some of the protected class status that has been in place for others? I guess the bottom line is when we thought we were making so much progress on the race issues, (at least I thought we were) it appears we have a very long way to go and Trump is tapping into that.

Two, he is everywhere and talked about constantly. Under the old idea that no publicity is bad publicity, even his detractors can't stop talking about him. I wish they'd stop doing that because I think the unintended consequence it they are just continuing to feed his machine. lets set back and watch him implode instead of constantly making him relevant. Are we all really that scared of him?

Steven Scott

0 posts

12/7/2015 8:12 AM

Where are Ross Perot or Ralph Nader when you need them? Voting in this election will be picking the lesser of two evils, as usual. Except this year we have a self proclaimed European socialist, a woman who has crippled national security multiple times, a celebrity blowhard who panders to whoever will listen, two tea party right wingnuts, two clueless governors, one corrupt governor, a CEO who can't put together an original thought, and a brain surgeon who might not have a brain(I really wanted to like Carson, but the more I watch the more I think he may be stealing meds). We've had some bad choices before, ie the clueless community organizer vs the dullard Massachusetts governor, but this might be a new low, its like watching reality tv to see who gets to run our federal government.

Stephen Okula

3 posts

12/7/2015 2:12 PM

Donald Mahaffey said: I think this is a good read if you want to learn how many of Islam's leaders view how their religion is being abused.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/2 ... 78038.html

As for why Trump has gained so much traction, I see two reasons.

One, there is a huge part of the American population that feels left out by the current administration. Like it or not, rural America pretty much thinks that the Obama administration doesn't give a hoot about their future.

Okay, I see that people feel left out, Obama doesn't care about them, etc. But what in the world makes anyone think that an egomaniacal New York billionaire would care about anything but his own self-aggrandisement?

Ronald Kirkman

42 posts

12/7/2015 6:12 PM

Greetings;

This probably has nothing to do with what you gents are talking about.

How about this!! And, don't say it ain't happening.

" Muslim Migrants warn Germans their days are numbered".

Capt. Kirk
Retired alien
Needham Golf Club
Needham,MA

Mahaffey Donald

12/8/2015 8:12 AM

Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
Donald Mahaffey said: I think this is a good read if you want to learn how many of Islam's leaders view how their religion is being abused.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/2 ... 78038.html

As for why Trump has gained so much traction, I see two reasons.

One, there is a huge part of the American population that feels left out by the current administration. Like it or not, rural America pretty much thinks that the Obama administration doesn't give a hoot about their future.

Okay, I see that people feel left out, Obama doesn't care about them, etc. But what in the world makes anyone think that an egomaniacal New York billionaire would care about anything but his own self-aggrandisement?

Steve, that is a very good question. I think it is that he is so different, so anti-intellectual. Obama supporters can say all they want, but most of America, IMO of course, are very tired of getting scolded by him. And even though I deplore what Trump has said re stopping all Muslim travel into the US, the fact the attorney general's first public response after San Bernadino was to meet with Muslims. comfort them, and assure them she would prosecute any type of discrimination....and this right after she is saying if you see something say something. So if I see some suspicious activity, like a group of Muslim looking men doing something I think is suspicious, and I report them, she could prosecute me if I "violate" their civil rights. As crazy as Trump is, the Obama administration has no clue how to manage the current state of affairs in the US.

Stephen Okula

3 posts

12/8/2015 11:12 AM

But Don, there are more choices than Trump or Obama, aren't there?

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