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  1. Larry Allan
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    3/24/2015 12:03 PM
    This Cruz guy is running for President and was born in Canada. Birth certificate says that.
    Obama's birth certificate says he was born in the US, but the Birthers said he wasn't eligible because they believed he was born in Kenya

    I don't get any of this.



  2. Trevor Monreal
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    3/24/2015 1:03 PM
    Basically...if one of your parents (at this point we STILL only have two parents) is an American citizen at your birth, you are considered a natural born citizen.
    So...even if President Obama had been born somewhere else, he would still have been eligible.
    However...the Supreme Court has never ruled on this so it could be challenged.



  3. Richard Lavine
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    3/24/2015 1:03 PM
    I heard a brief discussion with a constitutional scholar yesterday afternoon on our PBS radio station. The issue I think revolves around the terms "naturalized citizen" vs. "natural born citizen". Apparently this terminology has never been defined by the courts.



  4. Melvin Waldron
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    3/24/2015 3:03 PM
    I understand Senator McCain was born at the Panama Canal, which was US territory way back when to U.S. citizens but that was not an issue, I think I remember the issue he had that cost him the election.

    I find it funny Larry that there are still tin foil hatted people believing that the president was born in elsewhere. Of course they never mention that his mother was a citizen.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  5. Steven Huffstutler
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    3/25/2015 8:03 PM
    What's even better is that Ted Cruz signed up for Obamacare yesterday. bwahahahah.



  6. Peter Bowman
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    3/25/2015 9:03 PM
    He'll have a good opportunity to "find out what's in it" now, even though he didn't vote to pass it.

    Thank you Ms. Pelosi.



  7. Sean Hoolehan
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    3/26/2015 11:03 AM
    Perhaps Donald Trump will be able to get Ted Cruze to produce his birth certificate like he got Barack Obama. That was funny, as soon as The Donald seemed to be buying into it "BAMM" there is the official birth certificate. I guess the President was worried about getting fired.

    Sean



  8. Melvin Waldron
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    3/26/2015 12:03 PM
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said: Perhaps Donald Trump will be able to get Ted Cruze to produce his birth certificate like he got Barack Obama. That was funny, as soon as The Donald seemed to be buying into it "BAMM" there is the official birth certificate. I guess the President was worried about getting fired.

    Sean


    The sad thing is, it never had seemed to be an issue until Barack Obama was elected.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  9. Sandy Clark
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    3/26/2015 2:03 PM
    But Mel, it was an issue. Back when you maybe were just a thought, Barry Goldwater ran into the same issue because he was born in Arizona which was not yet a state! May be wrong but the only candidates that have ever been an issue have been Goldwater, McCain but that didn't cost him the election, he sucked as a candidate, Obama and now Cruz. Cruz signed up for Obamacare because unfortunately it is the law of the land! He did the correct thing having his wife resign her position with Goldman Sachs to eliminate any conflict of interest, they lost their family insurance plan. His choice was Obamacare or Cobra. Anyone priced out Cobra lately? He simply followed the law! Doesn't need to like it but he did the honerable thing, he followed the law. He also is not electing to take government rebate unlike Harry Reid screaming like a stuck pig because his poor aids making about $150,000 a year couldn't afford.



  10. Melvin Waldron
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    3/26/2015 3:03 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: But Mel, it was an issue. Back when you maybe were just a thought, Barry Goldwater ran into the same issue because he was born in Arizona which was not yet a state! May be wrong but the only candidates that have ever been an issue have been Goldwater, McCain but that didn't cost him the election, he sucked as a candidate, Obama and now Cruz. Cruz signed up for Obamacare because unfortunately it is the law of the land! He did the correct thing having his wife resign her position with Goldman Sachs to eliminate any conflict of interest, they lost their family insurance plan. His choice was Obamacare or Cobra. Anyone priced out Cobra lately? He simply followed the law! Doesn't need to like it but he did the honerable thing, he followed the law. He also is not electing to take government rebate unlike Harry Reid screaming like a stuck pig because his poor aids making about $150,000 a year couldn't afford.


    I have to admit Goldwater was before my time. I would think back as the country grew that could have been an issue before when the country was young and some states might have been territories. Under that logic none of the founding father should have been able to hold office since they were born before the country was formed.

    I thought the Senator McCain issue wasn't an issue as far as being born in the Panama Canal Zone; I think it was only brought up because of the questions of where President Obama was born. He didn't lose because he sucked as a candidate, he did misstep a little when he suspended his campaign for that short time when the economy really tanked. He lost when he brought on his Vice President candidate. I know you wouldn't believe me but I thought about voting for him until Gov. Palin was introduced and we learned how incompetent she was. The big question at that point was, would Senator McCain serve those 8 years at his age and who would become president. He did have other issues as well, but nothing guided my vote more than the Gov. on the ticket.

    And as for Cruz signing up for the ACA, he should be glad he has that option instead of having to go on Cobra. Also he doesn't have to worry about anyone being denied for a pre-existing condition as well. I guess he could have defied the ACA and just paid the fine, that would be following the law too, but I'm sure they understand the importance of having health insurance for their family.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  11. Jon Gansen
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    3/27/2015 8:03 AM
    Paying a fine is not following the law but ramifications for breaking the law. Refusing to get insured would have been blown up more than him signing up for obamacare or his wife keeping her current position. Cruz sitiuation just covers Hillarys problems with the foundation and emails etc. Cruz followed the rule of law, compare that to Hillary.



  12. Melvin Waldron
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    3/27/2015 10:03 AM
    Jon Gansen said: Paying a fine is not following the law but ramifications for breaking the law. Refusing to get insured would have been blown up more than him signing up for obamacare or his wife keeping her current position. Cruz sitiuation just covers Hillarys problems with the foundation and emails etc. Cruz followed the rule of law, compare that to Hillary.


    I kind of see what you're saying, your take is signing up is following the law, paying the fine is not following the law, I get that. Although his hard line supporters probably would have wished that he defied the law, might help him win the primary, but would sure lose the general election, not that he would win a general election anyway.

    Of course if anyone has the means to purchase and provide their families with insurance, they would be crazy not to. I see my bills coming in from my recent surgery and it's crazy. Well the craziest thing is the price for procedures, and then it's the discount provided because of insurance. Of course in one regard, I want to make sure those people get the pay they deserve, I'm still alive, kicking and hopefully cured, (will find out in a few weeks I hope). Also when you start counting the number of people involved, I know I had my surgeon, the anesthesiologist, her assistant, the circulating nurse, don't know who else might have been in the operating room the happy juice had me out before I even left the staging/recovery room.

    Then there are the 3 to 4 nurses monitoring patients in that room and then the 4 or so nurses monitoring the patents in the rooms before and after. Then there is the support staff running around the hospital. Holy crap no wonder health care is expensive, yet it is a huge factor in our economy. Usually good paying jobs, almost seems it's replaced a lot of our manufacturing jobs?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  13. Jon Gansen
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    3/27/2015 12:03 PM
    Mel hope you recuperate 100%. I have been always thankful for the medical field and no matter what they get paid.
    Have had a guy work for me that is a doctor now. The amount of work, time, drive and money to get where he is now is something. I thankful they dont get the Dr. with a 2 year degree. Take care!



  14. Sandy Clark
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    3/27/2015 3:03 PM
    Mel, my father -in -law passed away I think this past October. His end of life bills and surgery came to well over$200.000 K and my wife said his cost was like $1500. That of course was medicare but it shows just how expensive things are and how good insurance is. I have had botox treatments for migraine headaches. They prick the trigger points with botox in numerous places in your head and neck. I saw what I should have paid and what it actually was and it was a huge difference. I also get SynVisc treatments on my knees to delay knee replacements for a long time and they would be in the Thousands per treatment if it wasn't for my work insurance. No doubt about it, medical expenses are high!



  15. Melvin Waldron
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    3/27/2015 5:03 PM
    That is what I haven't figured out yet.

    Why is there a "list" price, then there is the negotiated price that insurance pays, then of course there is what we are responsible for. I know some insurance companies can negotiate better prices.

    I wondered if I didn't have insurance would I be paying the list price?

    It's a mystery to me, and this was even before the ACA.

    I'm just thankful after this surgery, and about 4 and 6 years ago for my wife's surgeries and with chronic health issues with our son, that we have insurance or we would be living in cardboard boxes or not living.

    Sorry that this post has kind of turned away from Cruz.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

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