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1. Sandy Clark

   

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   8/28/2013 9:08 AM

   What are we getting ourselves into this time? We have let them know what we are going to do and for how long. That is strategic planning at it's best! What unintended consequences will result from this action? I think all of us, conservative or progressive / liberal were in agreement that it was time to get out of Afghanistan and let the tribal 6th century mess take care of itself. What are we going to accomplish this time. Understandably, the use of chemical warfare is obscene and sick but at the moment, all the various bad guys in Syria are killing each other. The innocent people caught in the middle are hoping for some miracle to end this mess. We don't even know who the good guys are in this mess yet we are going after Assad? We could drag Israel, Iran, Russia and China into this mess and very well may create something that gets so far out of hand that people and economies all over the world are impacted. I fear we are going to make the most unstable and dangerous part of the world even more unstable and dangerous. I really hope I am wrong!

   
   
   
   
2. Trevor Monreal

   

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   9/1/2013 12:09 PM

   I agree,
   Let's bring our heroes home.
   Spent some of that money to secure out borders.
   With our intelligence stepped up to the point it is we should have a better idea what out enemies might be planning se we can better protect out homeland.
   Unfortunately, the most powerful country in the world has no interest or idea on how to go about WINNIG military conflicts. So we end up losing too much blood and treasure.
   I agree with Palin, let Allah sort that mess out.

   
   
   
   
3. Steven Huffstutler

   

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   9/1/2013 3:09 PM

   Why don't the Arabs who want him punished so badly do it themselves? Why do we have to be their surrogates?

   
   
   
   
4. Sandy Clark

   

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   9/2/2013 9:09 AM

   I agree with Steve. How about if the Saudi's, UAE, Jordan, Turkey and any other mid-eastern country that can field a military go in and take care of the Syrian problem! Maybe they can clean up Lebanon as well and let it return to being a beautiful city like it was in the 60's. As long as the end results are not creating another militant country bent on destroying Israel and the U.S. most anything else would be better than what Syria has now.

   
   
   
   
5. Melvin Waldron

   

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   9/2/2013 10:09 AM

   Sandy Clark, CGCS said: I agree with Steve. How about if the Saudi's, UAE, Jordan, Turkey and any other mid-eastern country that can field a military go in and take care of the Syrian problem! Maybe they can clean up Lebanon as well and let it return to being a beautiful city like it was in the 60's. As long as the end results are not creating another militant country bent on destroying Israel and the U.S. most anything else would be better than what Syria has now.

   
   
   Sandy,
   
   I think you just answered your own question as to why we stay involved over there, I agree that those countries so close should step up, but I wonder if they are afraid of their own people turning on them, so let the US handle it?
   
   Mel

   
   Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
   
   
6. Steven Huffstutler

   

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   9/2/2013 1:09 PM

   They already hate us, so why not let us take the heat?

   
   
   
   
7. Ronald Conard

   

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   9/3/2013 10:09 AM

   Sandy Clark, CGCS said: I agree with Steve. How about if the Saudi's, UAE, Jordan, Turkey and any other mid-eastern country that can field a military go in and take care of the Syrian problem! Maybe they can clean up Lebanon as well and let it return to being a beautiful city like it was in the 60's. As long as the end results are not creating another militant country bent on destroying Israel and the U.S. most anything else would be better than what Syria has now.

   
   
   
   FYI Sandy, Lebanon is a country.

   
   
   
   
8. Peter Bowman

   

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   9/3/2013 11:09 AM

   Maybe he meant Lebanon, Pennsylvainia?

   
   
   
   
9. Corey Eastwood

   

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   9/3/2013 11:09 AM

   I urge you to email your two Senators and your district Representative to vote no on any intervention in Syria. Your/our elected Senators and Representatives will determine the fate of this. Enough is enough in meddling with sovereign countries.

   
   Corey Eastwood CGCS, Stockton Golf & CC, Retired
   
   
10. Sandy Clark

    

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    9/3/2013 12:09 PM

    I know Lebanon is a country. I just got to thinking about the beautiful coastal cities they used to have in the war torn country. The brain and fingers were not in tune with each other.

    
    
    
    
11. Melvin Waldron

    

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    9/3/2013 1:09 PM

    Corey Eastwood, CGCS said: I urge you to email your two Senators and your district Representative to vote no on any intervention in Syria. Your/our elected Senators and Representatives will determine the fate of this. Enough is enough in meddling with sovereign countries.

    
    
    Cory, I don't think that would stop it, the president I think is prepared to go it alone from some of his and others statements, plus some defense contractors will get some congressional people to vote yes, so they can sell them some replacement cruise missles.
    
    Of course they might all say no since they can't be agreeing with the president, which then maybe he says "ok we don't strike" then they would all complain about him not doing anything.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
12. Steven Huffstutler

    

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    9/3/2013 1:09 PM

    Sounds like Boehner and McCain are beating the war drums along with the President. I'm guessing we'll be launching by next week. I hope it goes well, I fear it wont.
    
    Regards,
    
    Steve

    
    
    
    
13. Larry Allan

    

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    9/3/2013 1:09 PM

    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: I know Lebanon is a country. I just got to thinking about the beautiful coastal cities they used to have in the war torn country. The brain and fingers were not in tune with each other.

    
    Think the capitals name is Babe Ruth or at least that's what I thought it was when I was a kid

    
    
    
    
14. Wahlin Scott B

    
    9/6/2013 5:09 PM

    I think the rebels have access to sarin and would gladly sacrifice 1400 people to get our military involved. We know there are Al Qaeda among the rebels. Everyone knows we can do whatever we want to do, so "showing weakness" is not an issue. The outcome of this civil war does not affect the US one way or the other. One Tomahawk costs over $1million and we are shutting down Head Start Centers and school lunch programs. It seems that we would have learned that you cannot break another country's stuff without eventually putting boots on the ground and fix it. My son spent two years as a combat team leader in Afghanistan. He came back alive and in one piece physically although many of his men did not. I lived every minute-by-minute of that two years and he has PTSD and TBI. He found Christ after his service while serving a year in jail for basically not being prepared to come back to society. My feeling? We need to keep our gun in our holster on this one. Rhetoric should not predetermine action.

    
    
    
    
15. Larry Allan

    

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    9/7/2013 8:09 AM

    History has shown that regime changes instituted by the US have cause more instability than they have solved. Most of the middle eastern countries are tribal and without an enlightened or brutal dictator they will splinter and self destruct. For all of Hussein's many faults, he ruled Iraq with an iron fist and kept the factions in order.
    Egypt is a similar case. Until Mubarak was ousted Egypt was a relatively secular society where Coptic Christians lived along side Muslims in relative peace.
    Again, it goes back to Star Treks Prime Directive "The Prime Directive dictates that there can be no interference with the internal development of alien civilizations"

    
    
    
    
16. Stephen Okula

    

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    9/7/2013 12:09 PM

    Larry Allan said: Again, it goes back to Star Treks Prime Directive "The Prime Directive dictates that there can be no interference with the internal development of alien civilizations"

    
    
    Larry, that is exactly what I said before we invaded Iraq, and I was villified on this site for opposing that invasion.
    
    It is absolutely senseless to take military action in Syria. Kerry sounds like an idiot, saying that somehow a stable, democratic state will emerge from the chaos if only the US throws a few bombs at it.
    
    You have a fascist dictator on one side, and jihadists on the other. We can't win. Whoever takes over will be hostile to the US and our interests.
    
    Obama seems to be getting dumber the longer he stays in office. It doesn't help the the imbecile parade of proven retarded chickenhawks like Bill Kristol, Paul Bremer, and Donald Rumsfeld are beating the war drums.
    
    American military action will certainly add to tensions between us and Russia, China, Iran, etc. But think it through. Suppose cruise missiles somehow do force out the present regime, and the Muslim extremists take over and get their hands on all those chemical weapons that Syria surley has stockpiled. Would that make us safer?
    
    I doubt it.

    
    
    
    
17. Steven Huffstutler

    

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    9/7/2013 2:09 PM

    I don't think that being made safer is the issue. The President and the rest who want us to bomb them are sincere, I think, in their desire to punish the malefactors for use of prohibited weapons. I don't have a problem with them being punished, I just wonder why it always has to be us that provides the discipline? Saudi Arabia wants him bombed, but they want us to do it. Why don't they do it themselves? The Arab League wants him ousted....why don't they oust him? We've certainly given them the wherewithal.
    Regardless of what we do, bombs or no bombs, we will still be blamed for all of the problems in the world and whoever finally wins in Syria will be hostile to us and our interests.
    We basically stayed out of the Arab Spring uprising in Egypt and the resulting military coup and we still get the blame for what happened in Egypt. We overthrew the Taliban in Afghanistan and the murdering rapist in Iraq and they still hate us. Screw those people. I hate to say it, but Sarah Palin is right...let Allah sort it out.
    With the exception of the only democracy in the Middle East, Israel, that part of the planet might just as well be on Venus.
    
    Regards,
    
    Steve

    
    
    
    
18. Keith Pegg

    

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    9/7/2013 4:09 PM

    Syria,
    I do not think the POTUS wants to go into Syria and I don't think he ever did so by saying he does is confusing to Republicans that will do anything that is against him and the Democrats that for the most part follow his lead and they are backing off of this because in their home states no one wants it.. So by being bullish and wanting to blow them up he is dropping it into Congresses hands and then they can fight it out and of course they will not do it and even on the off chance they do the public will fight this all the way. POSTUS is in the lame-duck and his last two years so why should he care if a few people hate him now. At least we will not go to war and that's what he really wants.
    
    Keith

    
    
    
    
19. Stephen Okula

    

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    9/7/2013 4:09 PM

    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: With the exception of the only democracy in the Middle East, Israel, that part of the planet might just as well be on Venus.
    
    Regards,
    
    Steve

    
    
    With a about a million disenfranchised Palestinian Arabs, Israel is a "democracy" just like South Africa was during apartheid, or the U.S.A in the nineteenth century, a portion of the population has the vote, but by no means all.

    
    
    
    
20. Stephen Okula

    

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    9/7/2013 4:09 PM

    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: I don't think that being made safer is the issue. The President and the rest who want us to bomb them are sincere, I think, in their desire to punish the malefactors for use of prohibited weapons.Steve

    
    
    It is the President's job to keep Americans safe. It is not his job to go around the world punishing foreign heads of state for crimes against their own people.

    
    
    
    
21. Steven Huffstutler

    

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    9/7/2013 5:09 PM

    It is the President's job to keep Americans safe. It is not his job to go around the world punishing foreign heads of state for crimes against their own people.
    
    
    Agreed.
    
    As far as disenfranchised minorities go, I would rather be a minority in Isreal than in any Arab or Muslim country, bar none. All democracies certainly have their challenges, even France.

    
    
    
    
22. James Schmid

    

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    9/7/2013 8:09 PM

    Why is an alleged chemical attack the only offence they feel we need to punish? We have known that they have been torturing and murdering 10s of thousands of people to for years, and now one alleged chemical attack and we have some moral duty to bring them under control? Seems silly if you ask me.

    
    
    
    
23. Stephen Okula

    

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    9/8/2013 12:09 AM

    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: It is the President's job to keep Americans safe. It is not his job to go around the world punishing foreign heads of state for crimes against their own people.

    
    
    
    Agreed.
    
    As far as disenfranchised minorities go, I would rather be a minority in Isreal than in any Arab or Muslim country, bar none. All democracies certainly have their challenges, even France.
    
    I've been a golf course superintendent at a resort on the Mediterranean coast of Turkey, a Muslim country, a pleasant enough place, and most certainly preferable to the Gaza strip.

    
    
    
    
24. Stephen Okula

    

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    9/8/2013 1:09 AM

    James Schmid said: Why is an alleged chemical attack the only offence they feel we need to punish? We have known that they have been torturing and murdering 10s of thousands of people to for years, and now one alleged chemical attack and we have some moral duty to bring them under control? Seems silly if you ask me.

    
    
    "Silly" is far too polite a word for it.

    
    
    
    
25. Sandy Clark

    

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    9/9/2013 9:09 AM

    I am certainly against us nearly or possibly starting World War 3 but the count on the poison gas attacks was something like 14 times. That doesn't clarify who did it because both sides are pure evil! I wonder, going back to Hussein in Iraq, if the rumored convoys of trucks leaving Iraq didn't bring much of their stock pile of gas into Syria. Hussein may have been bluffing on nukes but I don't believe the intelligence on wmd's in Iraq was all wrong or made up. I still agree with Steve, let the Arab nations do the dirty work. No matter how it comes out, we will not suddenly find a friend and Israel will still see an increased risk to their security. As far as minorities in Israel, when every country around you wants to make you disappear, I think I would hold a pretty tight control over Arabs as well. We can all argue who should have what land but it won't do any good. They are all still related and have been fighting each other as far back as 2000 B.C. They can all lay claim to some stake of the land historically. The U.N. made the decision in 1947 and those are the boundaries today. Israel is about the only civilized country in that part of the world!

    
    
    
    
26. Larry Allan

    

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    9/9/2013 3:09 PM

    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: I am certainly against us nearly or possibly starting World War 3 but the count on the poison gas attacks was something like 14 times. That doesn't clarify who did it because both sides are pure evil! I wonder, going back to Hussein in Iraq, if the rumored convoys of trucks leaving Iraq didn't bring much of their stock pile of gas into Syria. Hussein may have been bluffing on nukes but I don't believe the intelligence on wmd's in Iraq was all wrong or made up. I still agree with Steve, let the Arab nations do the dirty work. No matter how it comes out, we will not suddenly find a friend and Israel will still see an increased risk to their security. As far as minorities in Israel, when every country around you wants to make you disappear, I think I would hold a pretty tight control over Arabs as well. We can all argue who should have what land but it won't do any good. They are all still related and have been fighting each other as far back as 2000 B.C. They can all lay claim to some stake of the land historically. The U.N. made the decision in 1947 and those are the boundaries today. Israel is about the only civilized country in that part of the world!

    
    I suppose it is, by comparison, but any country where it is common to bang your head against a wall makes me wonder

    
    
    
    
27. Steven Huffstutler

    

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    9/9/2013 4:09 PM

    
    I suppose it is, by comparison, but any country where it is common to bang your head against a wall makes me wonder
    
    
    True. Very strange behavior. Ranks right up there with people in this country who think snakes can talk.
    
    Regards,
    
    Steve

    
    
    
    
28. Sandy Clark

    

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    9/10/2013 9:09 AM

    They have all kinds just as our countries do. Isn't it only the ultra orthodox that really perform that prayer routine? I have never seen any of my Jewish friends go through that ritual praying but then again, they aren't ultra orthodox. I think the snake handlers / kissers are pretty much a small fringe of whatever denomination of Christianity as well. Religion does make people do strange things. When did God decree that you had to dress a certain way, pray a certain way, eat specific foods etc. Most of the biblical food superstitions were based on improperly cooked food that made you sick, therefore it became cursed and not proper to eat! Last I checked, man wrote those things and claimed they were from God.

    
    
    
    
29. Larry Allan

    

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    9/10/2013 12:09 PM

    I guess there are a lot of different sects in Judaism. Conservative, Orthodox, Ultra Orthodox just like Islam. I always find it interesting how many similarities there are between the Jews and Muslims...no Pork, circumcision etc.
    Which sect is it that wear the black cowboy hats with the dreadlocks?

    
    
    
    
30. Steven Huffstutler

    

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    9/10/2013 12:09 PM

    Larry Allan said: I guess their are a lot of different sects in Judaism. Conservative, Orthodox, Ultra Orthodox just like Islam. I always find it interesting how many similarities there are between the Jews and Muslims...no Pork, circumcision etc.
    Which sect is it that wear the black cowboy hats with the dreadlocks?

    
    
    
    I think those are the Melonologists. They study guys named Mel.