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The Presidents Leadership?

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  1. Sandy Clark
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    7/31/2013 9:07 AM
    I just saw where the first quarter GDP was downgraded to 1.1% and the forecast for the year runs at roughly 1% growth. After 5 years of this President, we have lower home ownership, more renters, more part time workers, less full time workers, more people on unemployment, more people on disability, average incomes have dropped, race relations have gone down hill and taxes are up and he wants more! Considering the scandals of Fast and Furious, the NSA, the IRS, Benghazi, the EPA discrimination with requests for information and the way the Justice Dept. has spied on reporters, do any of you Obama supporters still think he is doing a good job? If he had done nothing rather than all the attempts at stimulus, the country would already be further along. His latest is income equality even though his administration has done nothing correct to help the job market. The disparity has increased more than under Bush or Clinton. When does he quit blaming Bush, republicans the weather, earthquakes etc. and accept the fact that he is on the wrong path to recovery. He is still trying to go with this grow from the middle out theory that cannot and never has worked. Are you Obama supporters out there still supporting his job performance? The facts are not stacking up well regarding his job performance. I would love to hear your thoughts!



  2. Melvin Waldron
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    7/31/2013 10:07 AM
    Sandy,

    Has he done a great job? I would say no. Has he done a poor job? I would say no.

    One can list a great deal of accomplishments, pulling us from the brink of a depression, saving the auto companies, look at the stock market how high it is. Heathcare as been passed, it is still a wait and see deal how it shakes out, but I know just our situation alone, I don't have to worry about family being denied for pre-exsisting conditions, there are a bunch of states where premiums have gone down, the only ones complaining are those that are having to pay more for better coverage as I understand it.

    I can agree with you wages and jobs for the middle class and below has stagnated, growth is still slow, despite some stimulus and those tax breaks that went with it, the job market didn't come roaring back, as companies sit on trillions of dollars. Could the president have looked at more infrastructure spending to create more jobs with better pay, creating more demand for other products which would have stimulated more business and more jobs? I think so.

    Could the president have been better as meeting with congress and leading them? I think because (and this is just my opinion) democrats did have control for a short time, (not the two years that the right claims, for various reasons) the president didn't seem to maybe reach out like he could have, in a way didn't need to. With the big change in 2010 and the republicans shouting from the mountian tops to oppose everything this president proposed, shouted to make him a one term president, I think (and I would have probably reacted the same way) the president failed to reach out, in one way saying if that's how you guys are going to act, screw you. Of course that was not good leadership. He has started out this last term much better at reaching out to the legislatures, and I think some republicans are realizing, (not all) that their jobs are in as much trouble because most of the american people want both sides to work together. Now due to jerrymandering, some such as our congressmen, because most of his constituites believe everything Fox news says about President Obama, he isn't going to try and work together because it might not be in his best interest come this midterm.

    Before I keep going on (which I could and then would miss lunch) just let me say, in my opinion, I think the president has done a fair job, would certainly have liked to see him have done better, but he can't take all the blame. Hoping that all those in Washington would work together just like the rest of us all do.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  3. Corey Eastwood
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    7/31/2013 11:07 AM
    Sandy how do you sleep at night with all these worries. I suspect you listen to too much Rush. Beck, Savage and Miller.

    I am better off than ever. Market more than doubled in five years. Affordable health care soon. Just like to see Gitmo shut down like promised. The "C's" and the Party of No has been on this guy since day one. Slack off and lets get things done. The other side will have it's chance in '16.

    Corey Eastwood CGCS, Stockton Golf & CC, Retired

  4. Sandy Clark
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    7/31/2013 11:07 AM
    Corey, I am just throwing out some red meat to see what kind of responses will occur. Financially, my wife and I are in a great position but I think more about my sons and their kids and the opportunities they may have or not! Someone will have to pay this debt somehow, someday. I am still convinced the healthcare issue is a debacle and will collapse itself but not until it has sucked trillions out of the economy. I just don't see this guy having a clue when it comes to economics and growth. He keeps doubling down on theories that have never been successful. Innovation, not big government has bee the economic driver forever.



  5. Melvin Waldron
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    7/31/2013 1:07 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Corey, I am just throwing out some red meat to see what kind of responses will occur. Financially, my wife and I are in a great position but I think more about my sons and their kids and the opportunities they may have or not! Someone will have to pay this debt somehow, someday. I am still convinced the healthcare issue is a debacle and will collapse itself but not until it has sucked trillions out of the economy. I just don't see this guy having a clue when it comes to economics and growth. He keeps doubling down on theories that have never been successful. Innovation, not big government has bee the economic driver forever.


    Sandy, hasn't most innovation been the result of government either putting money toward research or looseing up the rules for it? Maybe through tax breaks for companies doing research? How much innovation has come due to the military or space program? They have all been government backed. Especially in the mid to late 1900's? I do seem to think that back in the industral revolution of the late 1800's and early 1900's might have been more single people or companies taking risks, but I think the government still played a big role, either by letting things slide, or no regulations. I wonder how many people had land stolen during the railroad expansion? There might be a ton of things like that, that we never have heard of. I remember that show on the History Channel of that time period, just kind of makes me wonder things we don't read about in the history books.

    I will say the trickle down theory didn't really work either in my opinion.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  6. Ronald Conard
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    7/31/2013 2:07 PM
    Oh and don't forget... turfgrass ants are through the roof.



  7. Niemier Rick A
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    7/31/2013 6:07 PM
    The thing that amazes me is that all the republicans sit there and blame Obama. They don't want to fix anything because then Obama could take credit. Quit worrying about what is good for your party and start worrying about what is good for the people you represent.

    But hey, when the republicans get elected back into the White House they will solve all the problems! (damn it...theres no sarcasm smilie)



  8. Keith Lamb
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  9. Sandy Clark
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    8/1/2013 10:08 AM
    Rick, I didn't bring up anything about republicans or democrats, just the performance of the President! Both parties need a royal house cleaning. Good leaders in the past have managed to function with mixed government. Shoot, Obama has the Presidency and the Senate. All the House can do is disagree with things they find wrong or bad for America. He has proposed budgets his own party has laughed at. I am merely questioning his job performance.



  10. Melvin Waldron
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    8/1/2013 11:08 AM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Rick, I didn't bring up anything about republicans or democrats, just the performance of the President! Both parties need a royal house cleaning. Good leaders in the past have managed to function with mixed government. Shoot, Obama has the Presidency and the Senate. All the House can do is disagree with things they find wrong or bad for America. He has proposed budgets his own party has laughed at. I am merely questioning his job performance.


    Sandy, I would disagree with the president having the Senate, with the way the filibuster rules were changed and how quickly the republicans are to use them, (thought I saw something that they have filibustered more times since 2010 then all the years prior put together). I don't think we can really say the president has the Senate. In turn, one doesn't have to say republican or democrat, it is a given part of the job evaluation.

    As I have said above, could the president have done more? I think so, but when his job performance is reliant on congress, a congress that doesn't want him to accomplish anything, I don't know how you could give him a good rating, but how can you give him a bad one? (I do think that budget he proposed and wasn't supported by the democrats, wasn't because it was bad, they were afraid it would have cost them their seats).

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  11. Andrew Cross
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    8/1/2013 9:08 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    As I have said above, could the president have done more? I think so, but when his job performance is reliant on congress, a congress that doesn't want him to accomplish anything, I don't know how you could give him a good rating, but how can you give him a bad one? (I do think that budget he proposed and wasn't supported by the democrats, wasn't because it was bad, they were afraid it would have cost them their seats).

    Mel


    That seems to be the problem, nobody wants to do their job, they just want to do what it takes to win the next election. This applies to every party, and until that is fixed (never happen) we will always see them kicking the tough issues down the road.



  12. Trevor Monreal
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    8/2/2013 7:08 AM
    EASY, easy guys...
    Now that Healthcare has been taken care of what we really need around here is:
    Gun control and better race relations.
    After that...everything else will fall in place.



  13. Steve Nelson
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    8/2/2013 7:08 AM
    Well, if you are willing to see the forest for all the trees, the simple answer has to be yes, he has done a good job. Never mind all the legislation battles etc. that tend to be along party lines, no one will remember them or care years from now. Bottom line is myself, most Americans, and the American economy are better off financially than when he started. Period.

    Now whether or not these things can be attributed to a presdident or just cyclical in nature is another question, but in the big picture that is really just moot. Whether you like him or not, we are better off now and that is how he will be judged.

    PS, I am a a Republican.



  14. Sandy Clark
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    8/2/2013 9:08 AM
    Gus, I don't know if most Americans feel that way? A report this morning shows of the 953,000 jobs created in 2013, 751,000 were part time! As a percentage of the workforce, we have less people employed and more people under employed then any point since the great depression. I know that a recession is when my neighbor is unemployed and a depression is when I am unemployed so I really wonder how most Americans really feel.



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