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  1. Steven Huffstutler
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    11 posts
    11/4/2011 9:11 PM
    "WASHINGTON -- The top U.S. commander in Afghanistan has fired a senior officer from his job as the No. 2 general in charge of training for making inappropriate public remarks about Afghan President Hamid Karzai and his government.

    Gen. John Allen issued a statement Friday saying that Maj. Gen. Peter Fuller has been relieved of his duties as deputy commander for the Afghan training mission.

    In a recent interview with the website Politico, Fuller characterized Afghan leaders as erratic, ungrateful and isolated from reality. The interview quotes him as saying Afghan leaders don't fully recognize America's sacrifices on their country's behalf.

    Referring to Karzai's recent assertion that Afghanistan would side with Pakistan if Pakistan got into a war with the U.S., Fuller was quoted as calling the comments "erratic," adding, "Why don't you just poke me in the eye with a needle! You've got to be kidding me . I'm sorry, we just gave you $11.6 billion and now you're telling me, I don't really care?"

    Fuller said the Afghans have at times made unreasonable requests for U.S. assistance.

    "You can teach a man how to fish, or you can give them a fish," Fuller was quoted as saying. "We're giving them fish while they're learning, and they want more fish! (They say,) `I like swordfish, how come you're giving me cod?' Guess what? Cod's on the menu today."

    Fuller also said the Afghans don't understand the extent to which the U.S. is in economic distress or the "sacrifices that America is making to provide for their security." He said the Afghans are "isolated from reality."

    Allen said the "unfortunate comments" don't represent the solid U.S. relationship with the Afghan government.

    "The Afghan people are an honorable people, and comments such as these will not keep us from accomplishing our most critical and shared mission – bringing about a stable, peaceful and prosperous Afghanistan," Allen said.

    There was no indication whether Fuller will be reassigned or if he would retire.

    Pentagon press secretary George Little said Defense Secretary Leon Panetta was aware of Fuller's remarks. Little said Panetta has full confidence in Allen's judgment with respect to his decision in this case.

    A native of Andover, Mass., Fuller was commissioned a second lieutenant in 1980 after graduating from the University of Vermont with a bachelor of arts in history and political science. He also holds a master's degree in public administration from Shippensburg University in Shippensburg, Pa."


    I would have to say that he is absolutely right.

    Steve



  2. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    11/4/2011 10:11 PM
    huff said: "


    I would have to say that he is absolutely right.

    Steve


    I would second that.

    Time to start charging them. Do they have any oil? No? OK, opium then. Somethin'!



  3. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    11/5/2011 7:11 AM
    Overall, the American People do not care about Afghanistan one way or the other. The Right likes war regardless of the cost and the Left does not realize we are in a war.



  4. McCallum David K
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    11/9/2011 8:11 AM
    I agree with the General, Steve and Pete........let'um eat goat $&#!...........I disagree with Scott........no one likes war......left or right.................and lots on both sides that don;t have a clue what the hell is going on.



  5. Sandy Clark
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    11/9/2011 9:11 AM
    Just more of a reason to get out now!



  6. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    11/9/2011 10:11 AM
    We should be protecting our own borders instead of Pakistans...........and now Iran supposidly has a nuke or in the very near future.......it's time to re-group on our side of the oceans.



  7. Wahlin Scott B
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    11/9/2011 10:11 AM
    The Haqqani Network attacked a combat outpost in Paktika yesterday. Four different languages were monitored on radios. All 70 foreign fighters were killed. There were no ISAF or ANA casualties. They have good fighters in the ANA, but we are going to have to support them financially even after we leave.



  8. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    11/9/2011 10:11 AM
    wahlins said: Overall, the American People do not care about Afghanistan one way or the other. The Right likes war regardless of the cost and the Left does not realize we are in a war.


    WWI - Democrat
    WWII - Democrat
    Korea - Democrat
    Vietnam - Democrat

    The again, Lincoln (Republican) started the Civil War. He was the definition of a war lover at any cost, eh Scott?



  9. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    11/9/2011 11:11 AM
    putnam said:
    wahlins said: Overall, the American People do not care about Afghanistan one way or the other. The Right likes war regardless of the cost and the Left does not realize we are in a war.


    WWI - Democrat
    WWII - Democrat
    Korea - Democrat
    Vietnam - Democrat

    The again, Lincoln (Republican) started the Civil War. He was the definition of a war lover at any cost, eh Scott?


    Clay, not that I am supporting Scott's quote, but I thought support to Vietnam was started in the late 50's which would have been President Eisenhower? Although I guess technically your correct that it became a war under President Kennedy. But also look at the context of some, especially WWII, we were attacked on our home soil and the democratic president was forced to go to war. Each conflict had different reasons for starting and for us getting involved and it properly wouldn't have matter which party was in the White House, but that is my opinion.

    But as for the topic at hand, Maj. Gen Fuller might have been correct in his statement, but to state it publicly in the position he is in, left Gen. Allen no choice in my opinion but to fire the Maj. General. Although I should ask one of my high school buddies who is a Major, I would be curious to hear his take.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  10. Steven Huffstutler
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    11 posts
    11/9/2011 11:11 AM
    When they pin stars on your collars, you become a politician / diplomat. I understand why they fired him because it was, well, less than diplomatic and politically incorrect. He was still correct, though.

    Regards,

    Steve



  11. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    11/9/2011 1:11 PM
    BallMark said:
    putnam said:
    wahlins said: Overall, the American People do not care about Afghanistan one way or the other. The Right likes war regardless of the cost and the Left does not realize we are in a war.


    WWI - Democrat
    WWII - Democrat
    Korea - Democrat
    Vietnam - Democrat

    The again, Lincoln (Republican) started the Civil War. He was the definition of a war lover at any cost, eh Scott?


    Clay, not that I am supporting Scott's quote, but I thought support to Vietnam was started in the late 50's which would have been President Eisenhower? Although I guess technically your correct that it became a war under President Kennedy. But also look at the context of some, especially WWII, we were attacked on our home soil and the democratic president was forced to go to war. Each conflict had different reasons for starting and for us getting involved and it properly wouldn't have matter which party was in the White House, but that is my opinion.

    But as for the topic at hand, Maj. Gen Fuller might have been correct in his statement, but to state it publicly in the position he is in, left Gen. Allen no choice in my opinion but to fire the Maj. General. Although I should ask one of my high school buddies who is a Major, I would be curious to hear his take.

    Mel


    Mel,

    The point of my post was not to debate the merits of the wars....



  12. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    11/9/2011 2:11 PM
    Sorry Clay, I know I pretty naive and thick headed and some call me stubborn, but if that was your goal to not debate the merits of war, maybe there would have been a better way to do it. I do realize you were trying to disprove Scott's post but it kind of left it open for debate in my opinion, but of course that is me.

    If we don't want to debate the merits of war, then just say that Scott's assertion is incorrect and then we move on.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  13. Kauffman John M
    Kauffman John M avatar
    11/9/2011 2:11 PM
    huff said: When they pin stars on your collars, you become a politician / diplomat. I understand why they fired him because it was, well, less than diplomatic and politically incorrect. He was still correct, though.

    Regards,

    Steve


    I wonder how diplomatic some would see it when Obama responded negatively about Irsaeli president Netanyahu to French president Sarkozy, agreeing with the French president that the irsaeli president is hard to work with and unreasonable.

    Does the military leader have to be diplomatic while the diplomat doesn't?



  14. Steven Huffstutler
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    11 posts
    11/9/2011 3:11 PM
    Military leaders are generally held to a higher standard than political leaders.

    Regards,

    Steve



  15. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    11/9/2011 3:11 PM
    BallMark said:

    If [u">we [/u">don't want to debate the merits of war, then just say that Scott's assertion is incorrect and then we move on.

    Mel


    Mel,

    You must have mouse in your pocket. Enjoy your debate.



  16. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    11/10/2011 10:11 AM
    Mel in my post i thought I said I disagreed with Scott....................you should have moved on as well.



  17. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    11/10/2011 11:11 AM
    In my opinion Mel's assertion was related to the conversation.



  18. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    11/10/2011 8:11 PM
    David, I wasn't even considering your comment on Scott's post that you disagreed when I was responding. Quite honestly I agree with you (although I did not comment on it) that there are those on both sides that don't know what they are doing.

    I was referring to Clay trying to disprove (as I understood it) Scott's comment and Clay saying the left must like war just as much as the right since all of those conflicts were started under democrats.

    I don't understand what you mean by "I just should have moved on as well"

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

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