MSMA and goosegrass control Cancel The title field is required!

1. Spotts David A

   
   7/25/2012 3:07 PM

   I have heard that MSMA smokes goosegrass but I don't see it listed on the label. Crabgrass yes, and others, but not goosegrass. My question is, has anybody been able to control goosegrass with a post-emergent spray of MSMA? What rate did you use if you did. Thanks in advance for any replies. I am located in central PA and have blue/rye fairways and tees which is where I need the control.

   
   
   
   
2. Spotts David A

   
   7/27/2012 2:07 AM

   If you no longer use MSMA, please reply at what your experience was before the ban. PA lets us use it through the year .2013

   
   
   
   
3. Andy Jorgensen

   

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   7/27/2012 5:07 AM

   David,
   
   I can tell you that on Bermuda, MSMA does NOT smoke Goosegrass. In fact, it will turn it a bright yellow, and make it stick out. That is unless you want to go at such a high rate it does kill it, and everything else the MSMA touches.

   
   
   
   
4. Steven Huffstutler

   

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   7/27/2012 6:07 AM

   If you mix Sencor with the MSMA it will most assuredly kill Goosegrass, but that's a pretty powerful mix.
   
   Regards,
   
   Steve

   
   
   
   
5. Andy Jorgensen

   

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   7/27/2012 7:07 AM

   Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: If you mix Sencor with the MSMA it will most assuredly kill Goosegrass, but that's a pretty powerful mix.
   
   Regards,
   
   Steve

   
   
   Especially on Blue/Rye tees.

   
   
   
   
6. Morozowsky Martin

   
   7/27/2012 2:07 PM

   The only success the smokes goosegrass that I found is little bit of sencor and diquat and we spot spray. For pre-emergent herbicide it is Ronstar by far, good to excellent 80%+ control, then Bensumec, then Dimension.
   
   Martin Morozowsky
   Seven Oaks Country Club
   Bakersfield CA.

   
   
   
   
7. Spotts David A

   
   7/27/2012 3:07 PM

   thank you for the information, I now have a bone to pick with a sales rep.

   
   
   
   
8. Kevin Girt

   

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   7/27/2012 3:07 PM

   Before you pick that bone, I have used msma with great success for removing goosegrass on champion Bermuda greens @ .5 oz/m. it takes 2 apps 10 to 14 days apart. yes you can get some yellowing of the turf but iron will take care of that.

   
   
   
   
9. Matthew McCollum

   

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   7/27/2012 4:07 PM

   I would agree with Kevin and Andy. The Sencor mix on blue/rye would probably be a little to hot, but the 2 applications of just MSMA 10 to 14 days apart should do the trick.

   
   
   
   
10. Bryan Taylor

    

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    7/27/2012 8:07 PM

    We have been using a Dismiss / Revolver mix with outstanding control of goose grass. Added some Specticle too.
    
    Bryan Taylor
    Makena Beach and Golf Resort

    
    
    
    
11. Chase Best

    

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    7/27/2012 11:07 PM

    I used to go at the 1.0 oz rate and never had issues. MSMA was golden for me. Sometimes I would need a repeat app but it would get rid of it. I did spray a football field with it once at 1.0 oz and it did smoke it. I usually mixed some urea in with it. I always thought timing was key. Hot, humid weather seemed to work best. I didnt irrigate for 36 hours after app.
    
    Chase Best
    Old Capital Golf Club

    
    
    
    
12. Brouse Jeffrey W

    
    7/28/2012 9:07 AM

    What is 1oz/m? Is it 1 oz per 1000 sq. ft, or is it 1 oz per 1,000,000 sq ft.?
    Jeff Brouse
    Cherokee Golf Course
    Danville, PA

    
    
    
    
13. McCallum David K

    
    7/28/2012 10:07 AM

    Cannot speak of the northern variety of goosegrass but MSMA alone in the south will do little to the weed except discolor it. Tank mixes will work as Steve and Andy mentioned.

    
    
    
    
14. Wahlin Scott B

    
    7/28/2012 10:07 AM

    I am currently embroiled with the Florida Dept of Environmental Protection (FDEP) over historic MSMA use on our golf course that was opened in 1984. The Site Assessment Report they are requiring is going to cost us well over $100,000 even though they know and admit that every single golf course in Florida is exactly like ours. The MSMA we had in stock is locked away and I have the only key, by direction of the FDEP.
    
    We got lured into this situation by the EPA that was offering grants to do environmental testing. We had a city commissioner think this was a good idea and it happened without anyone consulting me. The federal grant was for $100,000 and when I was approached by FDEP I said, "I will tell you there is arsenic there for nothing, a fact you already know!" I may be getting too old for this.

    
    
    
    
15. Steven Huffstutler

    

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    7/28/2012 2:07 PM

    Of course the fact that arsenic occurs naturally at a relatively high rat in our soils without ever spraying MSMA means nothing to them. I don't have to spray much goose grass, we just pull it, but about the only thing that controls Tropical Signalgrass is MSMA / Sencor as far as I can tell.
    
    Steve

    
    
    
    
16. Timothy Walker

    

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    7/29/2012 10:07 AM

    david why not just use acclaim?

    
    
    
    
17. Spotts David A

    
    7/29/2012 5:07 PM

    I forget if acclaim has nut sedge on the label, I don't think so. I'm going after that in many of the same places. Also the price for MSMA is phenomenal right now as it's use will be banned on golf course here after 2013.

    
    
    
    
18. James Schmid

    

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    7/29/2012 11:07 PM

    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Of course the fact that arsenic occurs naturally at a relatively high rat in our soils without ever spraying MSMA means nothing to them. I don't have to spray much goose grass, we just pull it, but about the only thing that controls Tropical Signalgrass is MSMA / Sencor as far as I can tell.
    
    Steve

    
    
    Does sencor have any sort of pre emergent effects? Like as in if I spray it, is there any risk that it will screw up my perennual ryegrass overseeding in the near future?

    
    
    
    
19. Jerry Lemons

    

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    8/7/2012 5:08 AM

    I have used Illoxan on bentgrass and bermudagrass for goosegrass control in the past 15 years. It has always been the goto on bentgrass greens if the pre's ran out.
    MSMA will get goosegrass in the southeast at 1 ounce per 1000 SF with back to back apps 7 days apart. Expect discoloration on all turf with MSMS. The older the Goose, the more difficult it is to get rid of. Seems the dryer it is with MSMA, the better it works too.
    
    I would not use MSMA on cool season grass above 85 degrees, especially bentgrass.
    
    Good Luck
    
    Jerry Lemons

    
    
    
    
20. Virgil Range

    

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    8/8/2012 4:08 AM

    I have been dealing with Goosegrass and Crabgrass all year. At first I applies Acclaim and has very good results. But it didnt smoke the goosegrass. So i went with Tenacity. It turns the turf white for a week or so but once its cut 2 times you dont notice anything. Tenacity has giving me great goosegrass control and it does well with sedges also.
    Its fairly cheap about 55.00 an acre.
    
    So Acclaim or Tenacity is my way i would suggest.
    
    Virgil

    
    
    
    
21. Baker Daniel

    
    8/14/2012 1:08 PM

    Bayer's new Tribute Total is the hammer on Goose, Crab, St Augustine and just about everything else I've put it on.
    
    Give it a try, I think you'll like the results

    
    
    
    
22. Andy Jorgensen

    

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    8/14/2012 3:08 PM

    Daniel Baker said: Bayer's new Tribute Total is the hammer on Goose, Crab, St Augustine and just about everything else I've put it on.
    
    Give it a try, I think you'll like the results

    
    
    
    Except on Blue/Rye tees. Unless you want to regrass.

    
    
    
    
23. Baker Daniel

    
    8/17/2012 10:08 AM

    Andy Jorgensen said:

    Daniel Baker said: Bayer's new Tribute Total is the hammer on Goose, Crab, St Augustine and just about everything else I've put it on.
    
    Give it a try, I think you'll like the results

    
    
    
    Except on Blue/Rye tees. Unless you want to regrass.

    
    
    Note to self, read original post again before giving TERRIBLE advice. Thanks Andy

    
    
    
    
24. Anthony Robertson

    

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    8/18/2012 2:08 PM

    I think I saw a revolver rec in there somewhere. Great product for cool season grass removal.