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  1. Wahlin Scott B
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    4/4/2012 4:04 PM
    I have one gun, an over/under 12 gauge that I used for skeet. I really enjoyed skeet but the nearest place to me now is an hour away. My younger son (the one that became an Army Scout but was never deployed because he badly damaged his ankle in training) is graduating (with the GI Bill) from a high dollar private arts college in May. He got a job in New Zealand and apparently they are not very gun friendly there. My son had a number of guns and I have decided to purchase two: a Walther PPK/S 380 and a S&W Model 649.

    I am not buying them for protection because I will secure them to the point that I will never be able to get to them in time to deal with an intruder. I suppose they might be used for protection if we have a devastating hurricane. I am buying them for fun and to help out my son financially. I will finally take the concealed weapons course to learn about firearms and laws, but I have no intention of carrying one. I am looking at it as a hobby, not a means of self preservation.

    Are you familiar with these guns? Do you have guns? How do you use them? What do you think of owning guns? Just trying to start a conversation.



  2. Andy Jorgensen
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    4/4/2012 5:04 PM
    I have a number of guns - both for hunting and for fun. I also have enough rounds to defend my property if need be. But, like you, I would have to ask the intruder to wait patiently while I found the key, unlocked the safe, loaded the gun and then walked back out. I have a .22 derringer 2 shot that my dad gave me, but I've never fired. A Marlin lever action 39A .22 that has open sights and is about as accurate as my Savage 111 .30-06 with a 3-10x44 scope. Several shotguns and .22's.

    My next purchase will be a Glock 27, .40 cal. I chose this one due to size, and if and when I ever wish to carry it on my person, I can hide it quite well. I am also wishing to get something fully auto, as well as the Barrett M107 for target practice. I also have a bet with a friend about what the .50 would do to a deer. But mostly it would be used to blow junk up. Of course, the wife my not like the cost associated with this weapon.



  3. Wahlin Scott B
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    4/4/2012 7:04 PM
    Is it legal to have a gun that is fully auto? I know in a lot of cases it is fairly easy to make a gun fully auto, but I thought the punishment was severe. I had a girl gun salesperson hit on me saying that the Glock 9mm is best because you can clip more rounds and size ;) is not important if it is well placed.



  4. Steven Huffstutler
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    4/5/2012 5:04 AM
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  5. Dennis Cook
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    4/5/2012 5:04 AM
    Scott,

    My father is an avid gunsman. He is a gunsmith for a prominent professional shooter on the IPSC circuit and builds tons of customs. He teaches concealed carry classes and also trains police at his home range facility. Even with all this training, he can't own a fully auto without an individual license for each one that he owns. Its not an easy task to acquire the license either. But because he participates in many events where fully autos are required, whether its training or competition, he can always get the license, but like I said, its a huge deal to get it. He has many AR-15's that are not fully auto and only do 3 round bursts or shoot just semi auto, depending on the selector switch, he does not have to have the fully auto for those assault rifles. We shoot a lot for fun as you were stating, and the fully autos are a blast, especially with tracers in the evening :). I will send him an email about your two guns and ask him the specifics of them and what the issues are with them. And if you ever needed any smithing work on them, he would probably know somebody in your area or he may even just offer to do it for ya. He works on a lot of my buddies guns and never charges them a dime.



  6. McCallum David K
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    4/5/2012 8:04 AM
    Scott the Walther PPK 380 is a good gun......have a couple of Walther's and they make a great gun....James Bond carried a .380. If used for target shooting nice little gun......prefer a bigger load if actually trying to stop something or somebody. Have Walther PPK .22 that I shoot all the time.......cheap ammo. The Glock is the gun of choice for most law enforcement and the military now due to the number of rounds it carries. Not fun to reload in a firefight.....be it bad guys in a dark alley or the Taliban.



  7. Justin Murray
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    4/5/2012 8:04 AM
    I grew up hunting with my dad and he and I have numerous shotguns and rifles. I do keep a few shotguns and rifles in my home. All of my shotguns stay loaded for home protection. Both my wife and I have our concealed carry permits even though we do not carry, just keep them in the vehicles. We got our permits so that we could get more training with handguns. Since I do not hunt as much anymore I am more into handguns. I have my eye on a few 1911's that will be part of my arsenal soon.



  8. Dennis Cook
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    4/5/2012 2:04 PM
    Scott,

    Talked to my dad and he said both guns are very high quality and the SW 629 is still sought out by many of the competition shooters for specific classes that they shoot in. He has a couple and said they used to go for about $700 and said a bargain price for that gun today would be about $600. So you may have picked up two nice guns for a good deal depending on what you paid your son. He said they are both very reliable and should last a lifetime with minimal work other than cleaning.



  9. McCallum David K
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    4/5/2012 3:04 PM
    Justin I have a Ithaca 1911.....somehow it founds it's way home with me from an overseas trip I took some years ago. They were issued to some MOS's and I was lucky enough to have one. Other than my Walther .22 I shoot it the most. Lots of memories in the ole boy. Most issues were Colts so the Ithaca is a real rarity.



  10. Michael Posey
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    4/6/2012 12:04 AM
    The 649 is in the Smith & Wesson "J-Frame series" of revolvers. The j frame in all its iterations has been the most popular revolver of its time. The 649 is nice because it has a shrouded hammer, so if you do decide to put it in your front pocket the hammer won't catch on your pants as you pull it out. It is available in both the .357 magnum and .38 special. If it is a .357 magnum it can shoot either round, but the .38 special won't shoot a .357 magnum. The great thing about a revolver is the reliability, when you pull the trigger it will go boom. The trade off is capacity. The Walther is a good gun, but the .380 is generally considered a weak round without enough stopping power. You also have to check the ammo you want test at least 100 rounds of the bullet you want to carry for self defense because a lot of the small .380's are picky about what type of hollow point you use. That being said a well placed shot is still going to bring someone down and that is what my wife carries since she can control the recoil of it. I have several sporting rifles and shotguns in various makes and models. I am a fan of Springfield Armory for my personal defense handguns. They have a higher capacity than a Glock and have a back strap safety like a 1911 to gives you less chance to pull a Plexico Burris and shooting yourself in the leg. I have had one in a full size .45ACP which held 13+1 capacity and I presently carry a .40 subcompact that has a 9+1 capacity. I have never had a jam or misfire with thousands of rounds of every brand/quality of ammo through them. Had a j-frame "body guard airweight" and a 9mm Beretta, but sold them. The 9mm ammo will be cheaper than anything but .22 because of the military use of that round. I keep a 12ga Mossberg 590 Defender shotgun with a 8+1 capacity and a light/laser combo on the rail under the bed loaded with 00 Buckshot for home defense. A shotgun round is less likely to go through a wall and hurt someone in another room than a handgun or rifle round. Plus, if you get woke up in a daze it is a lot easier to hit someone with a shotgun. I have never had to use any of these and I hope that I never do, but it is better to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them. All my personal defense guns and my wife's gun are kept loaded and ready to go at all times.



  11. Wahlin Scott B
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    4/26/2012 4:04 PM
    Here they are. The S&W 357 has a bigger bang, but the Walther 380 is easy to shoot accurately.

    [img">http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/scottcgcs/100_0821.jpg[/img">



  12. Sandy Clark
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    4/26/2012 5:04 PM
    I don't own any guns but my wife and I have begun to think seriously about it. I only want something that will blow a hole in an intruder about the size of a 12 inch softball. What should I start looking for?



  13. Andy Jorgensen
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    4/26/2012 5:04 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: I don't own any guns but my wife and I have begun to think seriously about it. I only want something that will blow a hole in an intruder about the size of a 12 inch softball. What should I start looking for?



    Get one of these.


    http://youtu.be/-TNnw9STKhY



  14. Wahlin Scott B
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    4/26/2012 5:04 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: I don't own any guns but my wife and I have begun to think seriously about it. I only want something that will blow a hole in an intruder about the size of a 12 inch softball. What should I start looking for?


    I am sure they have shotgun loads that will get close to that. Other than that I think your best bet is 9mm since all you really need is one well placed shot. I like Glock, but prefer to buy American. Find a neighborhood gun store with a shooting range and shoot a variety. I like shooting the higher caliber revolvers for fun, but that Walther really will put that little bullet right where you want it.

    The 357 Magnum bullet is a great big bullet. The 380 bullet is tiny in comparison, but it is the same diameter.



  15. Jason Baker
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    4/27/2012 7:04 AM
    Scott both are real nice guins. And look to be in pretty good shape.
    I am in the market for a 649 right now myself, hope to pick one up soon.
    If you decide use it as personal protectionm, load it with .38 special rounds in stead of .357, until you are able to practice a lot and feel comfortable with the power of the .357. On such a small pistol the kick is significant and will make it very dificult for you to hit what you want, unless you practice.



  16. Wahlin Scott B
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    4/27/2012 8:04 AM
    The 357 is hard to shoot accurately at best with a large load. I took someone with me to the range who had never shot a pistol before and she was right on target with the very first shot of the 380.



  17. Brian Nettz
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    4/27/2012 8:04 AM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: I don't own any guns but my wife and I have begun to think seriously about it. I only want something that will blow a hole in an intruder about the size of a 12 inch softball. What should I start looking for?



    Sandy,

    If you're looking strictly at home protection, you should stick with a pump-type shotgun as Andy suggested. The mere sound of someone working the action should be enough to get the intruder's feet moving towards the exit rapidly.

    Handguns are for more experienced users with a greater confidence level and handguns here in the People's Republic of California present more ownership challenges and responsibilities than most states. That said, if you buy a weapon and get confident with shooting it, you may want to move on to a good handgun. The stopping power of the 45 is unparalleled and legendary. The military has moved back to it and the mere sound of it in WWII was enough to get the Nazis to surrender; especially the Tommy gun. Any human being hit anywhere in the torso is going to go down. It's just a really big, slow moving hunk of lead. A torso hit is not necessarily lethal, but they are gonna think twice about getting back up. It can be a bit of a challenge to shoot at first.

    I feel everyone should own a gun. It's our 2nd guaranteed right. They also need to learn to be good with it and smart about storing it. Too many people aren't. Responsible gun owners everywhere suffer from the 1% dumb%$$ factor and the media thrives on it. My $0.02.

    Brian Nettz
    Presidio Golf Course
    Liberal Central
    San Francisco



  18. Steve Nelson
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    4/27/2012 8:04 AM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: I don't own any guns but my wife and I have begun to think seriously about it. I only want something that will blow a hole in an intruder about the size of a 12 inch softball. What should I start looking for?


    Mossberg 500 12 gauge. Comes in a shortened barrell with pistol grip- I think they call it the 'defender.' In San Diego you could pick one up down at your local Big 5- check their weekly ads as they will usually have this or similar on sale.



  19. McCallum David K
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    4/30/2012 6:04 AM
    Good post Brian.



  20. Melvin Waldron
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    4/30/2012 8:04 AM
    David, I have to disagree with you and Brian's post to a degree.

    Not everyone should own a gun and know how to use it. There are probably many instances where more deaths occur in accidental shootings then when protecting one's self, (although I haven't done the research, so I could be talking out of my butt), also many people just shouldn't own them for many reasons (but by following the laws and keeping them out of those individuals hands works for me). If I have no intention of shooting someone why should I have one? If it's stored properly, how is that going to help me protect myself? (excuse me bad guy, if you let me get to my properly stored and locked firearm, then I will be ready for your intrusion). If I'm not a hunter, why do I need to own a gun? I will agree with Brian's post on responsible gun owners suffer from the 1% that aren't responsible, of course that's with many things. I will agree with Brian that it's guaranteed by the second amendment, now what weapons are available, that can be up for a debate, but I think there are enough gun laws on the books. Also I am up for a debate on local vs. state vs. federal. But I disagree that just because it is a right under the constitution we should all have one, that's like saying now that it is legal to have alcohol we should all have a bottle in our house? Or I am sure we can find other amendments to justify or force (don't know if that is the best word to use) everyone to have something? Just my opinion.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  21. Larry Allan
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    4/30/2012 9:04 AM
    Just a question."The right to bear arms" Is there a definition of "Arms"...like surface to air missiles,suit case nukes, anthrax? Stupid question maybe but is it?



  22. McCallum David K
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    4/30/2012 10:04 AM
    Mel the good thing about this country (so far) is we can agree to disagree and you do not HAVE to own a gun. As a gun owner and a weekly visitor to my local indoor range I shoot pistols for fun and I believe in the second amendment. Catch what you are saying about alcohol but not the same argument.

    Red I think when it was written we were equipped with bows and arrow, ancient firearms and some cannons......limited in what could be construed as "bearing arms".........today you might be correct but the liberals wouldn't let that happen.........trying to strike the second amendment now as it is.IMHO



  23. Robert Crockett
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    5/1/2012 7:05 PM



  24. Wahlin Scott B
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    5/1/2012 8:05 PM
    I know a lot of liberals including me who enjoy gun ownership. Guns, hunting and war are American; it is who we are.



  25. McCallum David K
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    5/2/2012 6:05 AM
    Wow something we can agree on. I feel some real love here.



  26. Hulteen Mike
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    5/24/2012 7:05 AM
    To the OP's original question, while I have not owned any of the specific firearms you mentioned I am familiar with them. I have known/know many individuals that own them and they are all quality pieces.
    I must admit though that when I saw the post title the first thing I thought of was this was going to be another gun owner bashing commentary by individuals whose opinions I place absolutely zero value on, even though we might share the same profession. As I read through the thread that has definately not been the case and quite to the contrary.
    I have been envolved and actively participate in many of the shooting sports and hunting for nearly 40 years and I suppose like many I got my start with a BB gun and then .22 rifle. I still have many of my smallbore target rifles, skeet and trap guns, Black Powder Cartridge rifles, muzzleloaders, shotguns and handguns that unfortunately, spend more time in the safe than on the range or in the field. That being said, in the last few years I have started competing in the sport of 3Gun. To those not familiar, it is a fast paced shooting sport that requires engaging targets with a high degree of accuracy with a rifle, shotgun and pistol while moving/running between them as fast as possible. This stuff is fun!!!
    In reply to those denying an individuals rights under the 2nd amendment of the Constitution, get over it. The Supreme Court has made their decision based on law and facts, not emotion and it's time to move on. To argue that it should be overturned because when it was written all people had for firearms were short range muskets etc. and not today's firearms capable of shooting more than a mile, would be like saying the 1st amendment should be removed because when it was written, all the people had were feathers and India ink to write with and not today's technology that allows us to communicate all the way around the world in a matter of seconds.

    Mike Hulteen CGCS
    Salina CC



  27. Michael Posey
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    5/24/2012 9:05 AM
    I have a Yugoslavian SKS that has a NATO grenade launcher on it. Don't know why they put a US size launcher on a communist gun, but anyway... I bought a golf ball launcher that I can put on the end of it. Drop a golf ball in and put blank in the chamber and drive a 500 yd par 5 in one shot! That thing is so fun and such a conversation piece that I have not shot an actual bullet out of that gun since I got it. Since the attachment isn't rifled, the golf ball shoots like a knuckle ball. They will work on any gun with the NATO muzzle.

    http://www.bloomautomatic.com



  28. Keith Pegg
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    5/28/2012 3:05 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: I know a lot of liberals including me who enjoy gun ownership. Guns, hunting and war are American; it is who we are.


    Same here, love my guns and am very much a Liberal, Of course my guns are in the States and I am miles away, some day. For home protection I like a 12 ga with buckshot. If you are going to shoot make a statement.

    Keith
    in Japan



  29. Rick Tegtmeier
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    5/30/2012 5:05 AM
    Scott, Both the 380 and the Smith are nice firearms. I have a carry gun chambered in .380 and while it is a nice firearm to carry/conceal it is not my firearm of choice. I do have a carry permit and I do carry frequently. I also think if you are not proficient in the use of a handgun then the choice of a shotgun is a better home firearm. Not too many crooks like looking down the barrel of a shotgun pointed at them!

    I personally live in a 2 story house and all of my firearms are kept down in the walk out basement except for the handguns I have for home protection. I have a 1911 chambered in .45 ACP that sleeps beside me fully loaded. I have a Ruger GP100 chambered in .357 magnum on the main level. I have a 9 mm in the garage and in the basement. Now if that sounds like over kill to you that is fine. Don't judge me unless you know my whole story.

    I will leave you with these thoughts on why I own a gun(s):

    I don't own a gun to kill people.
    I own a gun to keep from being killed.

    I don't own a gun to scare people.
    I own a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

    I don't own a gun because I'm paranoid.
    I own a gun because there are real threats in the world..

    I don't own a gun because I'm evil.
    I own a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.

    I don't own a gun because I hate the government.
    I own a gun because I understand the limitations of government..

    I don't own a gun because I'm angry.
    I own a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

    I don't own a gun because I want to shoot someone.
    I own a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not bleeding on my living room floor.

    I don't own a gun to make me feel like a man.
    I own a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

    I don't own a gun because I feel inadequate.
    I own a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

    I don't own a gun because I love it.
    I own a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

    Police protection is an oxymoron.
    Free citizens must protect themselves.

    Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.
    Personally, I own a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.



  30. Jason Baker
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    5/30/2012 8:05 AM
    Rick, I love it! That really sums up how most of the Gun owners I know feel.
    I am not as "prepared" as you, but I have a carry permit and frequently carry a .357 snub nose on my person and always in my vehicle. It is kept loaded and handy in the house. I have many other guns in the home but they all stay unloaded and locked up.



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