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  1. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    3/18/2015 5:03 PM
    ......if I were to check it out.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/dick-chen ... 00982.html



  2. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    3/18/2015 6:03 PM
    That was funny. Thank god President Obama undid all of President Bush's policies (not that he has). The economy was tanking when Bush left office.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  3. Stephen Okula
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    3 posts
    3/19/2015 1:03 AM
    Whyever would anybody ever be the least bit interested in anything Cheney ever has to say ever?

    Remember all he said about Iraq before the invasion? "We know Saddam has WMD." "We will be treated as liberators." "The Iraqi econstruction will basically pay for itself. It will cost the U.S. no more than $2 billion." He has been so wrong about everything for so long it beggars belief that anyone would listen to him.

    And in his interview he makes broad accusations with no facts or specifics. How has Obama reduced the military?

    I've been living overseas through the past four administrations and I can tell you it's W. Bush alone who has destroyed U.S. credibility in the world, not Obama at all.

    Cheney is a fogging icehole.



  4. Clay Putnam
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    3/19/2015 6:03 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: Whyever would anybody ever be the least bit interested in anything Cheney ever has to say ever?

    Remember all he said about Iraq before the invasion? "We know Saddam has WMD." "We will be treated as liberators." "The Iraqi econstruction will basically pay for itself. It will cost the U.S. no more than $2 billion." He has been so wrong about everything for so long it beggars belief that anyone would listen to him.

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    You better include each and everyone of your progressive liberals in your lack of interest if this is your credibility gauge. I have always been fascinated with liberals convenience of leaving out their political draft choices when discussing this particular point regarding Iraq.



  5. Stephen Okula
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    3/19/2015 11:03 AM
    Sure, the great majority of politicians on both sides of the aisle willingly marched like lemmings into the Iraqi abyss. Most of the Americans I know were in favor of the invasion, including some very bright people who I would have sworn would know better. I was aghast.

    But Cheney was out in front of everybody, orchestrating the debacle and leading the charge and waving the flag.

    He never expresses any remorse or regret for anything he's ever done in his life. That's the character of a sociopath.

    Dick Cheney is an evil, black -hearted man.



  6. Trevor Monreal
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    3/19/2015 1:03 PM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: ...I've been living overseas through the past four administrations and I can tell you it's W. Bush alone who has destroyed U.S. credibility in the world, not Obama at all...

    I'll say this about that...I've done some missionary work and support missionaries that do some incredible work in some of the worse, most oppressed areas in the world.
    Those individuals and the people that live in THOSE areas have a different opinion about the credibility, strength, and leadership of the US.
    But...they don't make the headlines because they don't get killed while out buying a cup of coffee at a cafe'...they get slaughtered under very different circumstances.
    And, unfortunately the foreign policies of THIS president has embolden barbarians and dictators to continue committing these and other atrocities.



  7. Stephen Okula
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    3/19/2015 1:03 PM
    Trevor,

    Could you share some specific examples? Where and how have Obama's policies caused the death and suffering of innocents? Maybe the drone strikes in Pakistan, but I doubt there are any missionaries operating in those areas.

    I also travel widely, not only around Europe but also to some third world countries like Turkey, Kenya, Tanzania, Tunisia, and Morocco. I have yet to hear anybody in any of those places blame Obama for their troubles.

    Cheney was a key instigator in the invasion of Iraq, which caused the misery, displacement, suffering, wounding, maiming and death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, (also thousands of Americans) none of whom posed a threat to the United States or its allies.



  8. Trevor Monreal
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    3/20/2015 11:03 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: ...Where and how have Obama's policies caused the death and suffering of innocents?

    It's much easier to blame somebody for AN action than for inaction…but I'll try

    In 2007 Obama said," America must show—through deeds as well as words—that we stand with those who seek a better life. That child looking up at the helicopter must see America and feel hope."

    Then in June 2008 while in Cairo President Obama started a speech by saying," I know there has been controversy about the promotion of democracy in recent years... So let me be clear: no system of government can or should be imposed upon one nation by any other."

    Nov 2009, after protesting for months against the leadership of Iran, the Green Party in Iran asks Obama and the West for help to throw out the mullahcracy. They were ignored
    Aug 2012, President Obama states that a "red lin" in Syria would be the use of chemical weapons. Red line ignored.

    More recently, the President's effort to restore diplomatic relations with Cuba. Now, how in the world will this be of any benefit to the people of Cuba unless it is followed up by a vigorous Pro-Democracy Campaign?
    This is NOT going to happen under this administration.
    [quote">I have yet to hear anybody in any of those places blame Obama for their troubles.
    They may not blame President Obama but with America disengaged and on the sidelines...where is their hope?



  9. Stephen Okula
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    3/20/2015 12:03 PM
    Trevor, your first post implied that through your missionary work you had first hand knowledge of the opinion of people living under some brutal, authoritarian rule. Do I understand you to say that you have been doing missionary work in Iran, Syria, and Cuba?

    Could you give me a link where I could see for myself the story about the Iranian Green Party asking Obama for help? What did they want him to do, send the U.S. Marines?

    Likewise with Syria. What, exactly, should Obama have done in Syria against Assad?

    And as long as we're going back in history, why stop there? We could consider how both Regan and the first Bush turned a blind eye to Saddam Hussein's use of chemical weapons against Iran and the Kurds.

    People struggling to survive in abject poverty tend not to have a world view. They are too busy trying to live from day to day, and besides, they don't have television, internet, or newspapers, even if they were literate, which most of them aren't. They have very little knowledge of what's happening in the outside world or how it might affect them.

    By the way, Obama is hugely popular in east Africa, Tanzania and Kenya, because of his Swahili roots. You see his portrait hanging in shops and offices. And to be fair, W. Bush is well thought of too, because he sent U.S aid to help fight aids in Africa, one of the very few positive contributions he made to the world.



  10. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    3/21/2015 8:03 AM
    Geeeeezzzzzz. With all the arguing back and forth about Cheney, I'm thinking now I won't even bother to read the article. There's probably at least one other article in that issue I could read.



  11. Trevor Monreal
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    5 posts
    3/21/2015 9:03 AM
    Stephen...google it
    No need to go back that far...Obama is our president now
    I'm glad President Obama is popular in those places you mentioned
    I stand by my statements and will continue to support those that selflessly do what they do



  12. Keith Pegg
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    0 posts
    3/21/2015 5:03 PM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: Whyever would anybody ever be the least bit interested in anything Cheney ever has to say ever?

    Remember all he said about Iraq before the invasion? "We know Saddam has WMD." "We will be treated as liberators." "The Iraqi econstruction will basically pay for itself. It will cost the U.S. no more than $2 billion." He has been so wrong about everything for so long it beggars belief that anyone would listen to him.

    And in his interview he makes broad accusations with no facts or specifics. How has Obama reduced the military?

    I've been living overseas through the past four administrations and I can tell you it's W. Bush alone who has destroyed U.S. credibility in the world, not Obama at all.

    Cheney is a fogging icehole.


    Well said Stephen,
    ( I've been living overseas through the past four administrations and I can tell you it's W. Bush alone who has destroyed U.S. credibility in the world, not Obama at all.) I can say the same 21 years outside the US and it is good to see the US (Obama) is doing a great job US $ is strong again like with Clinton. Bush took the US down the wrong road, Obama is on the right road.

    Keith
    US Army Golf Japan



  13. Corey Eastwood
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    82 posts
    3/23/2015 11:03 AM
    I have several friends in foreign country's from Australia to Europe. All say our President is highly respected.

    Corey Eastwood CGCS, Stockton Golf & CC, Retired

  14. Mahaffey Donald
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    3/24/2015 2:03 PM
    I understand the Israelis love him.



  15. Keith Fellenstein
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    0 posts
    3/25/2015 2:03 PM
    I have several friends in this country...none say they respect him



  16. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    3/25/2015 5:03 PM
    We can debate the popularity of the president until we're blue in the face. I'm sure we will find just as many enjoy the president as those who would like to see him gone. But a few foreign policy points that are irrefutable.

    Russia - Obama scoffed at, laughed at, and ridiculed Mitt Romney when Romney said Russia was one of the greatest threats to America during the previous election. Fast forward to today. Russia has invaded one country and is poised to take more.

    Yemen - Obama touted Yemen as a success against terrorism. Fast forward to today. Yemen has collapsed and is a terrorist strong hold.

    ISIS - Obama labeled ISIS as "the JV". Need I say more?

    Afghanistan - Obama pulls troops out of Afghanistan yet more than double the American troops lives have been lost six years into Obama's tenure than the previous administration's entire tenure. And that's with Obama pulling troops.

    Bergdahl - Traded for terrorists. Obama has Bergdahl's parents to the White House. Say's Bergdahl served with honor and distinction. Bergdahl is on trial for desertion and may spend the rest of his life in prison.

    Iran - Obama wants a nuclear deal so bad he's willing to fight our Middle East Partners to get the deal. Iran leaders shout Death to America while holding the US deal proposal.

    This administration has been wrong at almost every turn. If history is an indicator, the Obama /Iran deal will come back to haunt us.



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