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How history repeats itself

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  1. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    11/2/2012 4:11 PM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:

    Who redirected the Alabama linemen? Obama? Chrisie? Who?


    Nick Saban?


    It was more likely Chrisie whoever she it. I have heard that about big guys.



  2. Wahlin Scott B
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    11/2/2012 5:11 PM
    [img">http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/scottcgcs/republicanbs.jpg[/img">



  3. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    11/2/2012 6:11 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: [img">http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/scottcgcs/republicanbs.jpg[/img">


    Scott,

    Being that this colorful list most certainly came from one of your left-leaning groups where they send you crap like that all day via email, asking you to forward it on to all your friends, maybe you can do some research and find out if warnings were given to the State Department and Bush Administration prior to each attack, only to have the Bush Administration and State Department look the other way. I'm pretty sure that if emails, cables, etc. were sent, that John Kerry and Barney Frank or Denis Kucinich would have demanded investigations.

    So, I'm just guessing that investigations were done finding no fault of the State Department or the Bush Administrations at the time.

    I look forward to hearing from you soon on this.



  4. Stephen Okula
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    3 posts
    11/3/2012 9:11 AM
    What Scott's graphic does demonstrate is that no U.S. Embassy can be made perfectly safe, they are always targets. There is no way to provide 100% security to Americans overseas.

    In the Benghazi attack, help was on the way from a CIA post in that town 25 minutes after the attack began, and more arrived a few hours later via Tripoli. Two Americans were killed in a mortar barrage that occurred well after reinforcements had arrived. If people are going to start lobbing mortar bombs at our embassies, what is Obama supposed to do to stop it? Should we bulldoze a primeter around every US Embassy and then post 24/7 Marie guard so no one can get within mortar range? Then the guys guarding the perimeer will be the targets.

    You could second-guess the State Department all day long. Security was a concern in Benghazi. What's new? Should we have sent in a division of Marines to establish order in the town? Should we shut down our embassies and send everyone home? That would let the terrorists know that all they need to do is shoot at us and we'll leave.

    What exactly should the State Department have done when they had reports of security concerns in Benghazi?



  5. Ronald Conard
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    4 posts
    11/3/2012 9:11 AM
    Take the exact same event and circumstances and replace Democratic President with Republican and those on the left would be saying the same thing those on the right are saying now and vice versa, ad infinitum.

    What's that say?

    It's not really about discussing solutions or learning from mistakes made but bagging the "other side". It's so worn out and boring.



  6. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    11/3/2012 10:11 AM
    Ronald Conard, CGCS said: Take the exact same event and circumstances and replace Democratic President with Republican and those on the left would be saying the same thing those on the right are saying now and vice versa, ad infinitum.

    What's that say?

    It's not really about discussing solutions or learning from mistakes made but bagging the "other side". It's so worn out and boring.


    I guess then there's no reason to investigate and expect answers from our leaders.



  7. Stephen Okula
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    3 posts
    11/3/2012 11:11 AM
    http://myfox8.com/2012/11/02/intelligen ... zi-attack/

    (CNN) — A senior U.S. intelligence official emphatically denied that the CIA refused repeated requests from its officers on the ground in Benghazi, Libya, to assist the Americans under attack at the U.S. mission there.

    Just five days before the presidential election and in a rare briefing to reporters, the official Thursday offered almost a minute-by-minute account of what happened that night.

    According to a Fox News report last Friday, citing an unnamed source, CIA officers working at an annex about a mile from the mission were told by officials in the CIA chain of command to "stand down" after receiving a call from the mission asking for help.

    "There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support," the senior intelligence official said, offering a passionate defense of the actions taken by the CIA officers on the ground during the September 11 attack that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

    The official insisted the agency operators at the annex were in charge of their movements and the safety of those who were preparing to respond to the initial attack on the mission compound.

    There was "no second guessing" their decisions, the official said.

    According to a detailed timeline provided by the official, there was a roughly 25-minute gap between the time those officers received the initial call for help from the mission to the time when the approximately half a dozen officers were able to get underway to assist.

    During that time, according to the official, CIA officers at the annex location were loading weapons and equipment into their vehicles, while others were on the phone trying to get local "friendly" militias with heavier weapons to help. The official said the officers responded "as quickly and as effectively as possible."

    The team from the annex came under fire at the mission, the official said, but was able to gather all of the U.S. personnel at the mission except for the missing ambassador and headed back to the annex where they again faced small arms fire for about 90 minutes before the attackers left.

    The Fox report also suggested that the officers on the ground urgently asked for military backup, but that the CIA also denied those requests. The official said that reporting was wrong. The military, the official said, provided drone surveillance and there were a couple of military officers as part of a CIA security team from Tripoli to assist.

    That security team was delayed at the Benghazi airport and did not arrive at the annex until early morning, shortly before that facility came under a sudden and intense attack that lasted 11 minutes. Two officers, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, were killed by mortar fire.

    The attack has become part of the political debate as the Obama administration has been harshly criticized by many Republicans for initially describing the incident as a spontaneous protest against an anti-Islamic video on the web and evolved into an assault on the mission.

    The senior intelligence official said there was a need to address this issue now because some of the media mischaracterizations of what was done that night is a disservice to the men who had to make decisions under fire.

    Here is the timeline of events, as provided by the senior intelligence official:

    – Around 9:40 p.m. (local time) the annex receives the first call that the mission is under attack.

    – Fewer than 25 minutes later, a security team leaves the annex for the mission.

    – Over the next 25 minutes, the team members approach the compound, attempt to secure heavy weapons and make their way onto the compound in the face of enemy fire.

    – A t 11:11 p.m., the requested drone surveillance arrives over the mission compound.

    – By 11:30 p.m., all U.S. personnel, except for Stevens, who is missing, depart the mission. The exiting vehicles come under fire.

    – Over the next roughly 90 minutes, the annex receives sporadic small arms fire and rocket-propelled grenade rounds. The security team returns fire and the attackers disperse at approximately 1 a.m.

    – At about the same time, a team of additional security personnel lands at the Benghazi airport and negotiates for transport into town. Upon learning the ambassador is missing and that the situation at the annex has calmed, the team focuses on locating the ambassador and tries to obtain information on the security situation at the hospital.

    – It's still predawn when the team at the airport finally manages to secure transportation and an armed escort. Having learned that Stevens is almost certainly dead and that the security situation at the hospital is uncertain, the team heads to the annex to assist with the evacuation.

    – They arrive with Libyan support at the annex at 5:15 a.m., just before the mortar rounds begin to hit the annex. The two security officers are killed when they take direct mortar fire as they engage the enemy. That attack lasts only 11 minutes before dissipating.

    – Less than an hour later, a heavily-armed Libyan military unit arrives to help evacuate the compound of all U.S. personnel.



  8. Ronald Conard
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    4 posts
    11/3/2012 12:11 PM
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:
    Ronald Conard, CGCS said: Take the exact same event and circumstances and replace Democratic President with Republican and those on the left would be saying the same thing those on the right are saying now and vice versa, ad infinitum.

    What's that say?

    It's not really about discussing solutions or learning from mistakes made but bagging the "other side". It's so worn out and boring.


    I guess then there's no reason to investigate and expect answers from our leaders.


    Sure there is. But it would be nice if it was genuine and not a clearly partisan effort. You're a smart guy. You can't see through the charade?



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