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1. McCallum David K

   
   10/29/2012 7:10 AM

   Feb. 7, 1980........3 months into the Iran hostage situation "I've been struck by the human and moral values which Americans as a people share with Islam. We share, first and foremost, a deep faith in the one Supreme Being. We all are commanded by him to faith, compassion and justice. We have a common respect and reverence for law> On the basis of both values and interests and the natural relationship between between Islam and the United States is one of friendship........We have the deepest respect and reverence for Islam" President Jimmy Carter
   
   Spring 2009........."I've come here to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world and one based on mutual interest and respect and one based upon the truth that America and Islam are not exclusive and need not to be in competition. Instead the overlap, and share common principals______principals of justice and progress, tolerance and dignity of all human beings........let there be no doubt: Islam is a part of America" President Barrack Hussein Obama
   
   
   And now in the aftermath of Obama's own 9/11/2012 in Libya............there are enough emails to prove factually that the administration was not only warned of the attack but in fact were watching it in real time.
   All to save a presidency..............a lot greater man than I once said..........."it is safer to be feared than to be loved".......Machiavelli...............unfortunately for America we are neither

   
   
   
   
2. James Schmid

   

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   10/29/2012 9:10 AM

   How come you use the Current president's middle name, but not President Carter's?

   
   
   
   
3. Ashton Alan W

   
   10/29/2012 9:10 AM

   James Schmid said: How come you use the Current president's middle name, but not President Carter's?

   
   
   I had the same thought... think we know the reason...

   
   
   
   
4. Canedo Alberto J

   
   10/29/2012 10:10 AM

   Got to love that Middle name "Earl" for President Carter.

   
   
   
   
5. Clay Putnam

   

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   10/29/2012 11:10 AM

   Alan Ashton said:

   James Schmid said: How come you use the Current president's middle name, but not President Carter's?

   
   
   I had the same thought... think we know the reason...

   
   
   Probably for the same reason "D" was used, in part, to describe Dwight Eisenhower. It was a common description as it is for the current presidents name. Just ask these classmates...
   
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6. Melvin Waldron

   

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   10/29/2012 11:10 AM

   Even the current president joked about not being able to use his middle name at that dinner in NYC about a week or so back. Unlike Gov. Romney who goes by his middle name and not Willard. Of course George W. Bush went by his middle initial so he could be distinguished (maybe not the right word) from his father Bush 41 (I wonder if his dad made him do that?).
   
   Mel

   
   Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
   
   
7. McCallum David K

   
   10/30/2012 9:10 AM

   I did not recall Carters middle name James and like shopping I was to lazy to google it but knew someone would for me........thanks.
   
   Glad we got the middle name thingy straightened out........that was the crux of the entire post.

   
   
   
   
8. Steven Kurta

   

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   10/31/2012 10:10 PM

   DMC can you dig up whether those two SEAL team members who were doing the survelliance on the Ambassador's safe house (and subsequently died) disobeyed direct orders to stand down -- to not engage?
   In a situation where what's "right" is cloudy, the chain of command takes over. That's what it's there for, no? You obey direct orders. For whatever reason, they were told to not engage...they did it anyway and got boned. Could it have possibly been the powers-that-were saw no way to save their asses quick enough if the fight got bad? Is that a possibility? Or does it have to be that Obama didn't want to appear weak on terrorism so close to the election so ignored all the warning signs and sent people to their deaths, because, well, he just didn't think anyone would notice?

   
   
   
   
9. McCallum David K

   
   11/1/2012 2:11 PM

   Jets could have been on scene within an hour and relief troops with a few.............the battle lasted 7 hours. Yea Steve a former Seal disobeyed an order to stand down. Unfortunately in combat with your buds getting their asses handed to them you tend to do the RIGHT then and not the politically correct thing. Think I just heard POTUS make the statement to some citizens in NJ we as Americans leave no one behind..............unless you happen to be in Libya and I have a plane to catch.

   
   
   
   
10. Stephen Okula

    

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    11/1/2012 2:11 PM

    David,
    
    Could you tell me where I could read the whole story, both the actions and the e-mails?
    
    Thanks.

    
    
    
    
11. Peter Bowman

    

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    11/1/2012 2:11 PM

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: David,
    
    Could you tell me where I could read the whole story, both the actions and the e-mails?
    
    Thanks.

    
    
    I believe either the State Dept or the White House could help you there, but they refuse to do so.
    
    It's been seven weeks. You don't really believe, do you Steve, that they're still "investigating" and can't yet give us their findings? I would think any competent investigator could review all cables, emails, etc., and report back to the American people in about a days' work.

    
    
    
    
12. Stephen Okula

    

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    11/1/2012 5:11 PM

    Well, where do you and David get the story? I really want to know. Apparently you have reliable sources, why not share them?

    
    
    
    
13. Peter Bowman

    

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    11/1/2012 6:11 PM

    Vote for Obama, or read this and probably still vote for Obama. Up to you.
    
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10 ... ed-attack/

    
    
    
    
14. Albert Kronwall

    

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    11/1/2012 9:11 PM

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: Well, where do you and David get the story? I really want to know. Apparently you have reliable sources, why not share them?

    
    Here is a link that will help answer some questions.
    
    http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/24/con ... -cover-up/

    
    
    
    
15. Niemier Rick A

    
    11/1/2012 10:11 PM

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: David,
    
    Could you tell me where I could read the whole story, both the actions and the e-mails?
    
    Thanks.

    
    
    
    http://t.news.msn.com/us/us-officials-t ... cue-effort
    
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... unfolding/

    
    
    
    
16. McCallum David K

    
    11/2/2012 6:11 AM

    Lots of photo op's of POTUS in the situation room during the Osama killing and arrival of Hurricane Sandy......none seem to be circulating of any during the Benghazi attack.......peculiar don't you think.

    
    
    
    
17. Melvin Waldron

    

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    11/2/2012 7:11 AM

    David McCallum said: Lots of photo op's of POTUS in the situation room during the Osama killing and arrival of Hurricane Sandy......none seem to be circulating of any during the Benghazi attack.......peculiar don't you think.

    
    
    David, maybe there aren't any? Heck all I hear is he was on his way to Vegas.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
18. Niemier Rick A

    
    11/2/2012 9:11 AM

    David McCallum said: Lots of photo op's of POTUS in the situation room during the Osama killing and arrival of Hurricane Sandy......none seem to be circulating of any during the Benghazi attack.......peculiar don't you think.

    
    
    
    If there was any photos posted you'd complain about them anyway. You don't want to give him any credit for the Osama killing or anything to do with Hurricane Sandy, but you want to give him all the blame for Benghazi? We all know the real reason your complaining David.

    
    
    
    
19. James Schmid

    

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    11/2/2012 11:11 AM

    David McCallum said: Lots of photo op's of POTUS in the situation room during the Osama killing and arrival of Hurricane Sandy......none seem to be circulating of any during the Benghazi attack.......peculiar don't you think.

    
    
    David - typically when an event or occurrence can be planned or forseen far in advance it gives everybody a chance to buy film for their camera, or replace their flash bulb, thats probably why. During the Benghazi incident probably nobody thought to run to Walgreens the night before to buy film, you know since terrorists don't typically send e-vites before they attack.

    
    
    
    
20. Stephen Okula

    

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    11/2/2012 11:11 AM

    Peter Bowman, CGCS said: Vote for Obama, or read this and probably still vote for Obama. Up to you.
    
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10 ... ed-attack/

    
    
    Sorry, Peter, that one won't open for me. What else you got?

    
    
    
    
21. Stephen Okula

    

    3 posts
    
    11/2/2012 11:11 AM

    Albert Kronwall said:

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: Well, where do you and David get the story? I really want to know. Apparently you have reliable sources, why not share them?

    
    Here is a link that will help answer some questions.
    
    http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/24/con ... -cover-up/

    
    
    So, what do we have? There were concerns about the security in Benghazi in the weeks/months leading up to the attacks. Probably more should have been done, I don't know. I'm sure there are e-mails regarding security for U.S. embassies in places like Yemen and Saudi Arabia, among other places, (you should see the security just to get into the U.S Embassy in Paris). Maybe there aren't enough resources available to give everyone 100% protection.
    
    Once the attacks began, the response was slow, but I don't think anyone was watiting for a decision from Obama himself before proceeding.
    
    It looks like someone dropped the ball, and the organization needs to be tightened up, but that doesn't make Obama a horrible President, in my opinion, you can't lay it all at his feet.

    
    
    
    
22. Stephen Okula

    

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    11/2/2012 11:11 AM

    Rick Niemier said:

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: David,
    
    Could you tell me where I could read the whole story, both the actions and the e-mails?
    
    Thanks.

    
    
    
    http://t.news.msn.com/us/us-officials-t ... cue-effort
    
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... unfolding/

    
    
    Nice try Rick, but you can't post reports from MSN, ABC, or CBS on this forum and expect them to be taken seriously. We all know by now that those organizations are nothing more than propaganda outlets for the liberal left and their nefarious conspiracy to bring the country to ruin with a second term for Obama. Just out of spite, too.

    
    
    
    
23. Jon Gansen

    

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    11/2/2012 11:11 AM

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:

    Peter Bowman, CGCS said: Vote for Obama, or read this and probably still vote for Obama. Up to you.
    
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10 ... ed-attack/

    
    
    Sorry, Peter, that one won't open for me. What else you got?

    
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/

    
    
    
    
24. Peter Bowman

    

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    11/2/2012 12:11 PM

    Stephen Okula, CGCS"]
    
    Nice try Rick, but you can't post reports from MSN, ABC, or CBS on this forum and expect them to be taken seriously. quote]
    
    Yes he can, Steve. It's just that they're a day and half late in stepping forward with it. Pretty much the same info from the link I supplied that you couldn't open from FoxNews. MSN, ABC, and CBS likely would have sat on the info until well after the election, if ever. You should thank Fox or you might not have ever heard it. It's OK to amit it to yourself, too. We understand.

    
    
    
    
25. Albert Kronwall

    

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    11/2/2012 12:11 PM

    I think Obama has been given credit for making the call to kill OBL. I don't think that was a tough call to make but he was in the chair at the time and he did what I think any president would have done. What I think is disgraceful is he continues to keep "spiking the football" in the face of the Talaban and al Qeada for political advantage here in the USA. Do you think that is not pi$$ing off the terrorists and throwing fuel on the fire of revenge?
    
    I think Obama would be a fool to not promise all government resources to aid the recovery effort. Time will tell if he delivers. I saw this morning utility relief crews from Alabama were sent to New Jersey but turned away because they use non-union workers. They were then redirected to Long Island to help with the efforts there. Alabama is a right-to-work state. Wow, those union guys/gals would rather see people die than use non-union help, incredible! Obama's base is unions so I can't help but make the connection to questionable standards and morals. (Birds of a feather flock together) I think diverting resources from rescue efforts to go on with the NY marathon is a move they will regret. People are still stranded and waiting to be rescued and others need food, water, shelter, and police protection. This may be Obama's Katrina, time will tell.
    
    The truth about what happened in Benghazi is coming out slowly because the MSM and this administration is trying to keep it under wraps until after election day. The facts will come out however and he will have to face the music at that time whether he is president or not. Nixon was held accountable and Obama should be as well, after-all no one died as a result of Watergate.
    
    Funny how he wants to take credit for OBL death, and keeps reminding us, but says he didn't know what was going on in Libya for weeks after 9/11. He continued to blame a You Tube video for weeks and now the emails are out that proves he was aware of the truth from the start.

    
    
    
    
26. Albert Kronwall

    

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    11/2/2012 12:11 PM

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:

    Albert Kronwall said:

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: Well, where do you and David get the story? I really want to know. Apparently you have reliable sources, why not share them?

    
    Here is a link that will help answer some questions.
    
    http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/24/con ... -cover-up/

    
    
    (you should see the security just to get into the U.S Embassy in Paris). Maybe there aren't enough resources available to give everyone 100% protection.

    
    
    So on the anniversary of 9/11 where do you think we would need more security, the Embassy in Paris or the Embassy in Libya?

    
    
    
    
27. Wahlin Scott B

    
    11/2/2012 12:11 PM

    Finding and killing bin Laden was not a prority to Bush 43, "I don't think that much about it." Killing terrorist leaders was a priority to Obama from Day One and he has been successful. If Romney is going to say that Obama has been soft on terrorists, Obama has the right to point to his record. Are you serious when you express concern than Obama is upsetting terrorists?
    
    Who redirected the Alabama linemen? Obama? Chrisie? Who?

    
    
    
    
28. Niemier Rick A

    
    11/2/2012 1:11 PM

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:

    Rick Niemier said:

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: David,
    
    Could you tell me where I could read the whole story, both the actions and the e-mails?
    
    Thanks.

    
    
    
    http://t.news.msn.com/us/us-officials-t ... cue-effort
    
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... unfolding/

    
    
    Nice try Rick, but you can't post reports from MSN, ABC, or CBS on this forum and expect them to be taken seriously. We all know by now that those organizations are nothing more than propaganda outlets for the liberal left and their nefarious conspiracy to bring the country to ruin with a second term for Obama. Just out of spite, too.

    
    
    
    Sorry Steve! (not really) You asked where you could read the e mails. The link I provided had the e mails in them. The other link was a report from US Intelligence officials with nothing injected from MSN. Sometimes you have to read and do a little investigating for yourself. Next time I won't bother to give you the information you asked for. I hope no one else does either.

    
    
    
    
29. Stephen Okula

    

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    11/2/2012 1:11 PM

    Albert Kronwall said:

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:

    Albert Kronwall said:

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: Well, where do you and David get the story? I really want to know. Apparently you have reliable sources, why not share them?

    
    Here is a link that will help answer some questions.
    
    http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/24/con ... -cover-up/

    
    
    (you should see the security just to get into the U.S Embassy in Paris). Maybe there aren't enough resources available to give everyone 100% protection.

    
    
    So on the anniversary of 9/11 where do you think we would need more security, the Embassy in Paris or the Embassy in Libya?

    
    
    How should I know? I'm not a security expert and I have no intelligence whatsoever. For all I (or you, for that matter) know, there are real and dire threats against the US Embassy in Paris as well. An attack on a US Embassy in a western capital city would be just the sort of high impact event terrorists love, and there is a huge Muslim presence in Paris, I know because I meet them every day.

    
    
    
    
30. Stephen Okula

    

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    11/2/2012 4:11 PM

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    
    Who redirected the Alabama linemen? Obama? Chrisie? Who?

    
    
    Nick Saban?