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Witch Hunt or Exposing the Truth

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  1. Sandy Clark
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    5/14/2013 9:05 AM
    The administration had detailed prior knowledge of the dangers in Benghazi. We had had previous attacks, the Brits had pulled people out due to attacks. The Ambassador asked for help prior to the attack. We let our people down and then did nothing to rescue them. Since this was all happening during an election cycle, the administration concocted a story to convince everyone it wasn't terrorism but an unruly mob because it didn't fit the agenda that Obama was destroying terrorism. The two issues are that we failed to understand the situation and the President's team made up lies and told them to the world repeatedly. Benghazi is different from the other events due to what was going on in Libya. When you lie, something serious is being covered up. Republican or Democrat doesn't matter. Now that the press has turned on Obama to some extent, we will see where all this leads. It is a pretty bad week when you have a cover up, illegal actions by the IRS and the Justice Department getting heat over press spying all hitting at the same time. Who knows which one will get the most scrutiny but one thing is true, Obama is in charge and all these things are happening under his watch.



  2. Ashton Alan W
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    5/14/2013 11:05 AM
    Benghazi had no bearing on this independents vote in the election. I live in Mesa, Arizona... so you do the math!

    Bottom line is this: this stuff happens all the time regardless of who sits in the Oval Office... both sides are guilty of politicizing these occurrences as they see fit. It won't change until we vote more independents in to office to act as a buffer to all the B.S.

    You should try sitting on the fence once in a while... the view is much better!



  3. Clay Putnam
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    5/14/2013 12:05 PM
    Keith Pegg said: Lets look back a few years;

    January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

    June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

    October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

    February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

    May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

    July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

    December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

    March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

    September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

    January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

    March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

    July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

    September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

    And not a peep from the right side. Witch Hunt or what!


    You might have something Keith, but do you have the back up showing the consulates asking for additional security, being denied the additional security, having the military stand down when attempting to aide those under attack then top administration officials editing reports? If so, then the republicans need to back off. If not, then the liberals need to admit their fault.



  4. Trevor Monreal
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    5/14/2013 1:05 PM
    You guys still talking about Benghazi??
    Gosh that happened "...a long time ago"



  5. Sandy Clark
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    5/16/2013 9:05 AM
    Wasn't I told there was nothing there with the IRS thing and that I should move on? It seems others don't quite agree with that and it is turning out to be as big or bigger of a scandal than Libya. 500 groups involved and it was just a couple of Rogue agents? This smells just as bad as Nixon's enemies list. So far, our President wasn't aware or not involved in Fast and Furious, the Benghazi story, the IRS issue or the AP issue. Eric Holder doesn't seem to know anything that is going on with any of these events. I believe the buck stops with them if I remember all of my management and leadership education. Even Chris tingle up the leg Matthews has turned on Obama. Liberal groups are now calling for Holders resignation. I think Carl Levin and a few other senators that insisted on the conservative 501-C-4 groups being investigated should themselves be investigated for perhaps instigating much of this. Oh, by the way, in the background is George Soros, funding much of the attack on conservative groups. In spite of all of his various groups names, millions of dollars have been traced back to Soros who funded Media Matters and numerous other attack groups. I am willing to bet when investigations finally clear up this mess as much as possible, we will find numerous laws have been broken. It is unfortunate that politics has become this dirty and vindictive. If Nixon had not been such a paranoid person and Watergate had not happened, maybe all this kind of crap would never have got going. Nixon would have won in a landslide without Watergate. Look what it has created.



  6. Melvin Waldron
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    5/16/2013 10:05 AM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Wasn't I told there was nothing there with the IRS thing and that I should move on? It seems others don't quite agree with that and it is turning out to be as big or bigger of a scandal than Libya. 500 groups involved and it was just a couple of Rogue agents? This smells just as bad as Nixon's enemies list. So far, our President wasn't aware or not involved in Fast and Furious, the Benghazi story, the IRS issue or the AP issue. Eric Holder doesn't seem to know anything that is going on with any of these events. I believe the buck stops with them if I remember all of my management and leadership education. Even Chris tingle up the leg Matthews has turned on Obama. Liberal groups are now calling for Holders resignation. I think Carl Levin and a few other senators that insisted on the conservative 501-C-4 groups being investigated should themselves be investigated for perhaps instigating much of this. Oh, by the way, in the background is George Soros, funding much of the attack on conservative groups. In spite of all of his various groups names, millions of dollars have been traced back to Soros who funded Media Matters and numerous other attack groups. I am willing to bet when investigations finally clear up this mess as much as possible, we will find numerous laws have been broken. It is unfortunate that politics has become this dirty and vindictive. If Nixon had not been such a paranoid person and Watergate had not happened, maybe all this kind of crap would never have got going. Nixon would have won in a landslide without Watergate. Look what it has created.


    Has the IRS thing expanded from the Cincinnati office? You do know a Bush appointee was running the IRS at the time, I'm sure he didn't tell them to look at things closer. I have also heard that some of the liberal groups were looked at with more scrutiny as well. I am not saying what was done was right, but the supreme court upholds the Citizens United ruling and there is a big rush of groups filing for tax exempt status. So do the offices get overwhelmed? Is that part of the problem? Or with the Tea Party and other conservative groups wanting smaller government, less or no taxes, and the shutting down of the IRS, do you think that might have has some in the Cincinnati office a little worried? Until I see evidence of a call from the White House to this one Cincinnati office, I will wait to pass judgement on this issue.

    I saw someone post the other day on a news site, that this person would scrutinize closely groups that are against taxes, not wanting to pay taxes, he said it seemed to make sense to him.

    Call me naive, but also the explanation I've heard about the rush of filings for tax exempt status would really overwhelm me as well, and it sounded like those that entered search data into the computer program to help target applications decided on some key words..... sounds like how our intelligence community targets communication tracking as well by using key words.

    Sandy could you provide more information on this, like links? All I've heard is the IRS chief stepped down, congress is investigating and it seemed centered on the Cincinnati office......what news channel did I miss that reported all of what you are claiming?

    Didn't Nixon win in a landslide anyway? I was only 11 or 12 at the time.

    I do think Holder might need to resign, there just seems to be too many issues going on, don't know if it all relates back to him, or is the problem out in the field, people doing their own things, or maybe I am just reacting to all the media and peoples opinions on him rather then really looking at his record.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  7. Sean Hoolehan
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    5/17/2013 9:05 AM
    Our Liberal local rag had this cartoon in the editorial section yesterday. This can not be good for Barrack Milhous Obama.



  8. Sandy Clark
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    5/17/2013 9:05 AM
    Mel, yes, Nixon did win in a landslide and the Watergate break in didn't land him any votes since it was secret. It was never shown that Nixon actually participated or approved of anything but he knew the buck stopped with him and he did the only honorable thing left to do and that was obviously resign. Dean, Erlichman and Haldeman were the key advisers intimately involved and G Gordon Liddy was the actual operative to do the dirty work. The paranoia created by Nixon was truly the reason for everything that went on. As is so typical, the cover up became bigger than a stupid break in. I can't give you any specific sources for my information since it has come from multiple sources including main stream nightly news and interviews I have heard on radio programs while driving home. The information has come from Drudge, NBC, Fox News Web -site, Roger Hedgecock and several other sources. Hedgecock reported and went over very specific details of the Soros connections. It appears good old guys like the original Watergate reporters are teaching the younger journalists a lesson in chasing the facts.



  9. Ashton Alan W
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    5/17/2013 11:05 AM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: It was never shown that Nixon actually participated or approved of anything but he knew the buck stopped with him and he did the only honorable thing left to do and that was obviously resign.


    I suppose we should remind everyone that this deals specifically with the 18-1/2 minutes of missing tape from the Oval Office recordings... I think history is now pretty clear as to what the conversation was about.

    Nixon said he had no knowledge of the cover-up and that was shown to not be the case.



  10. Robert Crockett
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    5/17/2013 7:05 PM
    Keith Lamb said:
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: This has nothing to do with right or left when you come down to it. The American people were told a lie about some stupid video that nobody saw as a reason for a deadly attack on our ambassador. Why not just tell the truth like happened in all the others. Making up a story prior to the election and then trying to cover up everything that went on is the issue. When you have a cover up, something else is going on. We were probably secretly running guns to some group that we prefer not to admit. They were trying to control the narrative because they didn't want terrorism or Islamic groups hurting Obama's Osama is dead and terrorists are on the run story. If they had just stated it was terrorism and really went after the guilty parties, it would have been far easier to accept even prior to an election. The cover up always turns out bigger in the long run. When you cover up, something rotten is stinking along with the original attack. I have taken issue with the way the press and the left had ignored it and actually defended the cover up. All politicians will tend to protect their rears first but they really had help this time until it became too big to ignore.


    Sounds like a Fox News narrative.

    Guess you would know huh



  11. Keith Lamb
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    5/17/2013 9:05 PM
    Robert Crockett said:
    Keith Lamb said:
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: This has nothing to do with right or left when you come down to it. The American people were told a lie about some stupid video that nobody saw as a reason for a deadly attack on our ambassador. Why not just tell the truth like happened in all the others. Making up a story prior to the election and then trying to cover up everything that went on is the issue. When you have a cover up, something else is going on. We were probably secretly running guns to some group that we prefer not to admit. They were trying to control the narrative because they didn't want terrorism or Islamic groups hurting Obama's Osama is dead and terrorists are on the run story. If they had just stated it was terrorism and really went after the guilty parties, it would have been far easier to accept even prior to an election. The cover up always turns out bigger in the long run. When you cover up, something rotten is stinking along with the original attack. I have taken issue with the way the press and the left had ignored it and actually defended the cover up. All politicians will tend to protect their rears first but they really had help this time until it became too big to ignore.


    Sounds like a Fox News narrative.

    Guess you would know huh


    I guess? Umm, okay, you got me? Busted? Guilty as charged?

    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_hoP-mdGzo[/youtube">



  12. Robert Crockett
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    5/18/2013 10:05 AM
    Keith Lamb said:
    Robert Crockett said:
    Keith Lamb said:
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: This has nothing to do with right or left when you come down to it. The American people were told a lie about some stupid video that nobody saw as a reason for a deadly attack on our ambassador. Why not just tell the truth like happened in all the others. Making up a story prior to the election and then trying to cover up everything that went on is the issue. When you have a cover up, something else is going on. We were probably secretly running guns to some group that we prefer not to admit. They were trying to control the narrative because they didn't want terrorism or Islamic groups hurting Obama's Osama is dead and terrorists are on the run story. If they had just stated it was terrorism and really went after the guilty parties, it would have been far easier to accept even prior to an election. The cover up always turns out bigger in the long run. When you cover up, something rotten is stinking along with the original attack. I have taken issue with the way the press and the left had ignored it and actually defended the cover up. All politicians will tend to protect their rears first but they really had help this time until it became too big to ignore.


    Sounds like a Fox News narrative.

    Guess you would know huh


    I guess? Umm, okay, you got me? Busted? Guilty as charged?

    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_hoP-mdGzo[/youtube">

    It's all a spin...left or right...you as I can pick and choose what propaganda we wish to believe. Major Garrette CBS " CLINTON BROADCAST SYSTEM...LOL



  13. Keith Lamb
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    5/18/2013 2:05 PM
    I'm glad you admit that you listen to "propaganda." As for me, I continually try to seek out the truth. My opinions change based on new facts.



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