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Witch Hunt or Exposing the Truth

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  1. Sandy Clark
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    5/9/2013 9:05 AM
    I am curious about the groups thoughts on the House hearings on Benghazi. Either it is a witch hunt to make the President and his team look bad or it is exposing a scandal that makes a third rate burglary called Watergate look like child's play. Obviously, Watergate brought down a Presidency and rightly so. Did Obama and Hillary cook up the story about the video to ensure the election went as planned? Anyone with a brain knew the video story was wrong but does it show it is a blatant lie developed by the President and the Secretary of State? If it does, this is far worse than a suspicious Nixon who would have won in a landslide, because people really did die! When you look at the lies and deceit surrounding Fast and Furious, it is not a huge leap to think that this Administration is perfectly capable of doing whatever it takes to win an election. If it turns out to be factual and leads all the way to Obama and Clinton, what do you supporters of the Administration feel should happen? Keep in mind, this is far more corrupt than Watergate. Is this just a gotcha game or is it as corrupt as many are beginning to think?



  2. Melvin Waldron
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    5/9/2013 10:05 AM
    Sandy,

    I don't have a problem with making sure the truth is told and hopefully it prepares the State department and the military to improve security and communications in hopes something like this might not happen again.

    Unfortunately in my opinion the way the GOP is conducting itself on the matter seems more political then finding the truth. It seems they are working overtime to discredit the president and Secretary of State Clinton, (since she is a leading candidate for 2016) As I understand it democrats weren't including in the initial meetings before the hearings? Of course I guess the GOP is also trying to distract from not doing anything on the economy, tax reforms, job creation, fixing the affordable care act, fixing sequester, and other issues that need to be addressed before this country can move forward. But that is just my opinion.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  3. Sandy Clark
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    5/9/2013 12:05 PM
    Mel, I think you need look no further than Harry Reid on those issues. What has been said or asked politically that changes the facts we have hear so far? How is politics creating or changing facts of the investigation? Does it appear from what we have been able to hear or read that Hillary and Obama are complicit in a cover up? That is purely a non-political question. Did they cover it up to help the election cause or are the facts leading in a different direction?



  4. Kenneth Rue
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    5/9/2013 12:05 PM
    Most people are letting the media decide their opinions.

    my humble opinion is;

    1. find out what happened
    2. bring those to justice for the death of four Americans
    3. find out what official(s) exhibited poor decision principles / actions
    4. report the facts - don't distort for political gain either side
    5. damage control should be a priority to deter and/or prevent future mishaps home and abroad
    6. seek some kind of closure for the families.

    In summary; this administration needs to be in a leadership role to resolve these deaths and anything else will be perceived by me as ineptness, poor leadership and quite frankly questionable about continuing in a role in OUR United States Government.

    in my humble opinion.



  5. Sandy Clark
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    5/10/2013 9:05 AM
    Suddenly, the main stream press is beginning to show interest in the cover up. Will Obama throw Clinton under the bus and equally as interesting, will she accept being the scapegoat. This is now so far beyond partisan politics that accept for the total Republican haters, everyone sees that something very bad happened. It was easy to pile on Nixon and go after Reagan for the Iran Contra issue because they are on the opposite side from the press. This one has taken longer because 90% of the media is clearly in the Obama camp. As the facts keep coming out, the phony claims of partisanship are exposed for what they are, lies! I am pretty sure gun running to rebels who turned out to be Islamic extremist will also come to light. Obama and Hillary lied and Americans died! Haven't heard that out of the liberals lately!



  6. Wahlin Scott B
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    5/10/2013 9:05 AM
    "As I have said many times, I take responsibility. And nobody is more committed to getting this right. I am determined to leave the State Department and our country safer, stronger, and more secure," Clinton said. "For me, it's personal."

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57565373/hillary-clinton-on-benghazi-i-do-feel-responsible/

    What is it that you want?



  7. Ronald Conard
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    5/10/2013 11:05 AM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: This one has taken longer because 90% of the media is clearly in the Obama camp.



    Link?



  8. Sandy Clark
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    5/10/2013 11:05 AM
    Scott, I don't recall you accepting anything George Bush said without pretty much calling it a lie! Why is it ok for a democrat administration to cook up a blatant lie that probably influenced an election? Neither party has the right to lie when in a position of leadership. They should be held accountable. People under Hillary have been harassed and demoted for wanting to tell the correct version. This administration changed the talking points 12 times to cover Obama's butt on the terrorism issue. They sat on their hands and did nothing to protect the ambassador they even reduced the amount of protection for our people in Libya, knowing full well that Al Queda was active in the revolution and anxious to kill Americans. They had to go out of their way to concoct a story based on lies, which everyone repeated for two weeks, including an apology add by Obama and Hillary on Pakistan TV as well as use the same phony story at the U.N. You tell me what punishment is appropriate for a President and the top official in the State Dept? If it was George Bush, I think you would have been happy with public hanging! Where is your outrage? I know you certainly had strong opinions about how our troops have been handled in two other countries. Maybe their should be some resignations and I don't mean underlyings. Maybe Hillary should publicly state that she covered up the truth and disappear from the national scene never to run for any office again. It is unacceptable today, just as it was under Nixon! At least Nixon did the honorable thing by resigning.



  9. Jack Stephens
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    5/10/2013 1:05 PM
    http://abcnews.go.com/politics/t/blogEn ... Ft%2Findex

    Exclusive: Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference


    Brad Stephens
    Assistant Superintendent
    King and Bear- World Golf Village Resort



  10. Melvin Waldron
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    5/10/2013 3:05 PM
    After this is done, will we go back and have hearings on the Iraq war intelligence and hold the Bush administration accountable? I know it was only 4,000 plus troops, but I'm sure they were just as important to their families as the four killed in Libya.

    I guess it seems both administrations have really let us down in these regards.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  11. Sandy Clark
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    5/10/2013 4:05 PM
    Mel, they have but I just don't see equal outrage. This was a deliberate trumped up lie. The Bush administration thought they had good intelligence but it was wrong. Bush was savagely ripped by the left, the press, academia etc. Obama and his team seems to get a pass on everything. Obama Care is a flop with virtually every talking point turning out just the opposite. Fast and Furious went all the way to Eric Holder but it was swept under the rug and again referred to as a right wing conspiracy. We have Immigration Reform that is turning out to be another lie about to be dumped on us. Nobody but the Heritage Foundation has truly researched the trillions we don't have that it will cost. Obama really wants to have a gun free society even though he won't come out and say it. Where is the press in general or some good investigative reporters that are willing to be independent and challenge all of these things like they did under Nixon. If one administration is challenged for what they propose and pass, every administration should get the same treatment. If not, we, the American people are the losers. If the press is truly free, it can't be biased.



  12. Clay Putnam
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    5/11/2013 7:05 AM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: After this is done, will we go back and have hearings on the Iraq war intelligence and hold the Bush administration accountable? I know it was only 4,000 plus troops, but I'm sure they were just as important to their families as the four killed in Libya.

    I guess it seems both administrations have really let us down in these regards.

    Mel


    Careful what you ask for Mel, http://www.davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htm.

    The Benghazi mess is stained as a cover up to affect election results. A comparison to Iraq is a stretch, at best.



  13. Keith Lamb
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    5/11/2013 8:05 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: After this is done, will we go back and have hearings on the Iraq war intelligence and hold the Bush administration accountable? I know it was only 4,000 plus troops, but I'm sure they were just as important to their families as the four killed in Libya.

    I guess it seems both administrations have really let us down in these regards.

    Mel


    Careful what you ask for Mel, http://www.davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htm.

    The Benghazi mess is stained as a cover up to affect election results. A comparison to Iraq is a stretch, at best.



    http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
    Quotes are true, but many taken out of context.

    http://zfacts.com/iraq-war-quotes

    http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/stupidquotes/a/iraqquotes.htm
    http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/stupidquotes/a/iraqquotes_2.htm
    http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/stupidquotes/a/iraqquotes_3.htm



  14. Trevor Monreal
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    5/11/2013 11:05 AM
    Unfortunately, the American people care more about the four replacement judges for next season's American Idol than the four dead Americans in Benghazi or if there was a cover-up.
    For me...I watch The Voice. So this is a non-story.
    Oh wait, what were we talking about?



  15. Wahlin Scott B
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    5/11/2013 12:05 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: If it was George Bush, I think you would have been happy with public hanging!


    I think it would be really bad taste if you started publicly hanging Presidents with this particular President, although you really could not call it "un-American" even at this point.



  16. Clay Putnam
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    5/11/2013 12:05 PM
    Keith Lamb said:
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: After this is done, will we go back and have hearings on the Iraq war intelligence and hold the Bush administration accountable? I know it was only 4,000 plus troops, but I'm sure they were just as important to their families as the four killed in Libya.

    I guess it seems both administrations have really let us down in these regards.

    Mel


    Careful what you ask for Mel, http://www.davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htm.

    The Benghazi mess is stained as a cover up to affect election results. A comparison to Iraq is a stretch, at best.



    http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
    Quotes are true, but many taken out of context.

    http://zfacts.com/iraq-war-quotes

    http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/stupidquotes/a/iraqquotes.htm
    http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/stupidquotes/a/iraqquotes_2.htm
    http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/stupidquotes/a/iraqquotes_3.htm


    If you prefer, just go with this, The Benghazi mess is stained as a cover up to affect election results. A comparison to Iraq is a stretch, at best.



  17. Clay Putnam
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    5/11/2013 12:05 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: If it was George Bush, I think you would have been happy with public hanging!


    I think it would be really bad taste if you started publicly hanging Presidents with this particular President, although you really could not call it "un-American" even at this point.


    So it's OK for the other presidents. Seems rational...



  18. Wahlin Scott B
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    5/11/2013 12:05 PM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: If it was George Bush, I think you would have been happy with public hanging!


    I think it would be really bad taste if you started publicly hanging Presidents with this particular President, although you really could not call it "un-American" even at this point.


    So it's OK for the other presidents. Seems rational...


    Are you a member of the Heritage Foundation for Patriotic Studies Brain Trust? I bet you sit next to Michele Bachmann on the Intelligence Committee. "You're doing a great job, Brownie!"



  19. Clay Putnam
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    5/11/2013 12:05 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: If it was George Bush, I think you would have been happy with public hanging!


    I think it would be really bad taste if you started publicly hanging Presidents with this particular President, although you really could not call it "un-American" even at this point.


    So it's OK for the other presidents. Seems rational...


    Are you a member of the Heritage Foundation for Patriotic Studies Brain Trust? I bet you sit next to Michele Bachmann on the Intelligence Committee. "You're doing a great job, Brownie!"


    You're on a roll...



  20. Keith Pegg
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    5/11/2013 2:05 PM
    Witch Hunt

    Keith



  21. Keith Lamb
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    5/11/2013 4:05 PM
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  22. Sandy Clark
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    5/13/2013 9:05 AM
    I could just hear some of you guys had you been alive or old enough to have understood Nixon and Watergate. You would have had your undies in a knot wanting to get to the bottom of every little detail to get rid of a President who ultimately got what he deserved. It is really interesting how you ignore the facts of a cover up at the highest level that is far worse than Watergate and try to deflect the issue with unrelated comments or issues. Now we are finding out how political the Obama administration has made the IRS (which will also be blamed on underlings)just as Nixon did. Are all these things ok because it is Obama? Your deflection of the issue sounds to me as if you must condone this type of government conduct.



  23. Keith Lamb
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  24. Wahlin Scott B
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    5/13/2013 10:05 AM
    The facts do not support a Watergate comparison.



  25. Sandy Clark
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    5/13/2013 12:05 PM
    You are right, nobody died in Watergate!



  26. Keith Pegg
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    5/13/2013 4:05 PM
    Lets look back a few years;

    January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

    June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

    October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

    February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

    May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

    July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

    December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

    March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

    September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

    January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

    March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

    July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

    September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

    And not a peep from the right side. Witch Hunt or what!



  27. Sandy Clark
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    5/13/2013 5:05 PM
    This has nothing to do with right or left when you come down to it. The American people were told a lie about some stupid video that nobody saw as a reason for a deadly attack on our ambassador. Why not just tell the truth like happened in all the others. Making up a story prior to the election and then trying to cover up everything that went on is the issue. When you have a cover up, something else is going on. We were probably secretly running guns to some group that we prefer not to admit. They were trying to control the narrative because they didn't want terrorism or Islamic groups hurting Obama's Osama is dead and terrorists are on the run story. If they had just stated it was terrorism and really went after the guilty parties, it would have been far easier to accept even prior to an election. The cover up always turns out bigger in the long run. When you cover up, something rotten is stinking along with the original attack. I have taken issue with the way the press and the left had ignored it and actually defended the cover up. All politicians will tend to protect their rears first but they really had help this time until it became too big to ignore.



  28. Keith Lamb
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    5/13/2013 6:05 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: This has nothing to do with right or left when you come down to it. The American people were told a lie about some stupid video that nobody saw as a reason for a deadly attack on our ambassador. Why not just tell the truth like happened in all the others. Making up a story prior to the election and then trying to cover up everything that went on is the issue. When you have a cover up, something else is going on. We were probably secretly running guns to some group that we prefer not to admit. They were trying to control the narrative because they didn't want terrorism or Islamic groups hurting Obama's Osama is dead and terrorists are on the run story. If they had just stated it was terrorism and really went after the guilty parties, it would have been far easier to accept even prior to an election. The cover up always turns out bigger in the long run. When you cover up, something rotten is stinking along with the original attack. I have taken issue with the way the press and the left had ignored it and actually defended the cover up. All politicians will tend to protect their rears first but they really had help this time until it became too big to ignore.


    Sounds like a Fox News narrative.



  29. Wahlin Scott B
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    5/13/2013 9:05 PM
    Keith Lamb said: Sounds like a Fox News narrative.


    I am going with Roger Hedgecock.



  30. Melvin Waldron
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    5/14/2013 7:05 AM
    Sandy, there is a point to be made and could some of it have pertained to the election? I would have to guess maybe so, (wouldn't have changed my vote due to other important issues). But as Keith Pegg showed in a brief history summary, where were the republicans outrage at those other incidents?

    Saw Senator Snow on ABC this past Sunday, she said the republicans need to be careful how they handle this. Probably all it will take is a commercial showing what Keith put up to show the hypocrisy and a bunch of false outrage on a partisan basis. Not doing the country any good, in my opinion.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

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