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1. Spotts David A

   
   6/14/2013 3:06 AM

   anyone using Green Pig from Grigg Bros? I've been using the 10 oz/A every 2 weeks. This is the only change in my spray program from last year. It is very inexpensive. It is a pigment, not a paint. Mixes well in the tank. I don't know if it's because so far this year we've had a good growing season here in central PA or if the pigment is that good but I must say, my greens have never looked better.

   
   
   
   
2. Melvin Waldron

   

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   6/14/2013 8:06 AM

   Do you still have to use a dye indicator then when your are spraying? That would be a bonus, if one could use that as their indicator and then get the benefit of the dye on the turf. I wonder if it is similar to the malacote (spelling?) dye that was in Signature for so many years? Or maybe a similar technology and benefits the plant the same way?
   
   Thanks!
   
   Mel

   
   Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
   
   
3. Dru Clark

   

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   6/14/2013 6:06 PM

   David Spotts said: anyone using Green Pig from Grigg Bros? I've been using the 10 oz/A every 2 weeks. This is the only change in my spray program from last year. It is very inexpensive. It is a pigment, not a paint. Mixes well in the tank. I don't know if it's because so far this year we've had a good growing season here in central PA or if the pigment is that good but I must say, my greens have never looked better.

   
   
   It definitely think it helps the plant build chlorophyll ,although I can't say for sure. I use it to help offset primo bronzing and unsure prolonged color without nutrients.

   
   
   
   
4. Timothy Walker

   

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   6/14/2013 6:06 PM

   Mel- it's supposed to have the same effect as the signature technology with the green coloring.
   
   I have some on the shelf and have yet to use it because my l-93 looks great - a friend recommended I get some because it turned his lean velvet bent into the look of Kentucky bluegrass at 6oz/acre.
   
   I would assume the colorant would be enough to eliminate the need for spray dye.

   
   
   
   
5. Joey Brown

   

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   6/20/2013 10:06 AM

   David Spotts said: anyone using Green Pig from Grigg Bros? I've been using the 10 oz/A every 2 weeks. This is the only change in my spray program from last year. It is very inexpensive. It is a pigment, not a paint. Mixes well in the tank. I don't know if it's because so far this year we've had a good growing season here in central PA or if the pigment is that good but I must say, my greens have never looked better.

   
   I used Par from Harrells for 2 years. I also tried Foursome from Quali-Pro and Turfscreen. I am no longer using them. Clemson did a study last year and are continuing it this year. Very interesting stuff. The pigments claim to lower canopy temps, provide healthier turf, and help with chlorophyll production. The studies showed none of these to be true. The pigments actually raised the canopy temps and provided no benefits to the plant. They are also all high in Zinc, so you have to watch that. The Turfscreen was the worst because it actually coats the leaf blade and pretty much seals it off. This all came from the tests Bert McCarty is working on now.

   
   
   
   
6. Spotts David A

   
   6/20/2013 3:06 PM

   Joey Brown said:

   David Spotts said: anyone using Green Pig from Grigg Bros? I've been using the 10 oz/A every 2 weeks. This is the only change in my spray program from last year. It is very inexpensive. It is a pigment, not a paint. Mixes well in the tank. I don't know if it's because so far this year we've had a good growing season here in central PA or if the pigment is that good but I must say, my greens have never looked better.

   
   I used Par from Harrells for 2 years. I also tried Foursome from Quali-Pro and Turfscreen. I am no longer using them. Clemson did a study last year and are continuing it this year. Very interesting stuff. The pigments claim to lower canopy temps, provide healthier turf, and help with chlorophyll production. The studies showed none of these to be true. The pigments actually raised the canopy temps and provided no benefits to the plant. They are also all high in Zinc, so you have to watch that. The Turfscreen was the worst because it actually coats the leaf blade and pretty much seals it off. This all came from the tests Bert McCarty is working on now.

   
   
   I don't know the chemical makeup of Green Pig but I do know that Gary Grigg doesn't put out anything without a lot of research and testing so I doubt that Green Pig will raise the canopy temps or is full of zinc. If the tests that you quoted included Green Pig then I would have to take another look.

   
   
   
   
7. Joey Brown

   

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   6/21/2013 12:06 PM

   I don't know the chemical makeup of Green Pig but I do know that Gary Grigg doesn't put out anything without a lot of research and testing so I doubt that Green Pig will raise the canopy temps or is full of zinc. If the tests that you quoted included Green Pig then I would have to take another look.
   I would check out the trials from Clemson. I know they used 3 different pigments, the Turfscreen, and some dyes. I'm not sure if they used Green Pig or not.

   
   
   
   
8. Andy Jorgensen

   

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   6/21/2013 2:06 PM

   We stopped overseeding a few years ago and now use the pigments along with some liquid nutritionals to spray our tees, collars, approaches and fairways instead from about October to March. Total, we've sprayed probably close to 2,000 acres worth of product in the past 24 months. Because of this, we want to make sure we are getting the best bang for our buck, so for two years now I have tested just about every pigment product on the market on a test area on our driving range. The rates applied are label rates and mixed with the same nutritionals we apply to the fairways. We have found that almost every pigment provides for better turf health during the cooler months, regardless of manufacturer. Yes, some are better looking than others and some last longer than others, but when you break the price down to a per day basis, some are more economical than others as well. Green Pig ranked in the top 3 of all the ones we worked with.
   
   I am not sure the pigments provide a cooler canopy to a measurable degree. I have only heard of one that touts this in their marketing (Turfscreen Original). However, I can not speak on this because we were applying to help warm the soil, not cool it.
   
   Below is a photo of our trial area. This was early on in our trial and showed 8 products in 9 plots after the second application, two weeks apart. We ended up with 12 products in 13 plots by the end of the trial. You can see distinct differences between them. Some are more blue than others and one was virtually black. Most of these washed off the application equipment fairly easy while a couple stained bad. I still have green in the back of my cart from December from a product touted as a pigment.
   
   [url=http://s143.photobucket.com/user/andyjorg/media/Pigmenttrialday17overheadshot_zps64c7ae91.jpg.html">[img">http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/andyjorg/Pigmenttrialday17overheadshot_zps64c7ae91.jpg[/img">
   
   This is a photo of our fairways in march after receiving 13 sprays starting in late October. We had already received about 23 frosts at this point, with a few of them in the lower 20's for an extended period. In this photo the rough is just waking up from dormancy.
   
   [url=http://s143.photobucket.com/user/andyjorg/media/18OOclose_zpsda2158ca.jpg.html">[img">http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/andyjorg/18OOclose_zpsda2158ca.jpg[/img">

   
   
   
   
9. Virgil Range

   

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   6/23/2013 3:06 AM

   I have used John Deere Tracker(which they just came out with a new formula), ArmourTech Optimizer, and Turf Screen.
   This is the first year I have used the Turf Screen and so far I love it. I havent had to handwater one time this year. Its hard to think its been 90 and windy as hell but i still have no need to handwater. I highly suggest it! Ive also started to use it on Tees, and next year i will be doing a full Green, Tee, and Fairway program for turfscreen.
   Yesterday I used the New JD Tracker on some fairways. Its looks very good. It blends very nice and leaves the turf looking great. Not for sure how long the tracker will stay on the plant compared to the Optimizer and Turf Screen. But I will continue to add Turf Screen in my program with the great results Ive seen. Anyone else using turf screen that has any input. Likes and or Dislikes??
   
   
   Virgil

   
   
   
   
10. Larry Allan

    

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    6/23/2013 7:06 AM

    Andy Jorgensen said: We stopped overseeding a few years ago and now use the pigments along with some liquid nutritionals to spray our tees, collars, approaches and fairways instead from about October to March. Total, we've sprayed probably close to 2,000 acres worth of product in the past 24 months. Because of this, we want to make sure we are getting the best bang for our buck, so for two years now I have tested just about every pigment product on the market on a test area on our driving range. The rates applied are label rates and mixed with the same nutritionals we apply to the fairways. We have found that almost every pigment provides for better turf health during the cooler months, regardless of manufacturer. Yes, some are better looking than others and some last longer than others, but when you break the price down to a per day basis, some are more economical than others as well. Green Pig ranked in the top 3 of all the ones we worked with.
    
    I am not sure the pigments provide a cooler canopy to a measurable degree. I have only heard of one that touts this in their marketing (Turfscreen Original). However, I can not speak on this because we were applying to help warm the soil, not cool it.
    
    Below is a photo of our trial area. This was early on in our trial and showed 8 products in 9 plots after the second application, two weeks apart. We ended up with 12 products in 13 plots by the end of the trial. You can see distinct differences between them. Some are more blue than others and one was virtually black. Most of these washed off the application equipment fairly easy while a couple stained bad. I still have green in the back of my cart from December from a product touted as a pigment.
    
    [url=http://s143.photobucket.com/user/andyjorg/media/Pigmenttrialday17overheadshot_zps64c7ae91.jpg.html">[img">http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/andyjorg/Pigmenttrialday17overheadshot_zps64c7ae91.jpg[/img">
    
    This is a photo of our fairways in march after receiving 13 sprays starting in late October. We had already received about 23 frosts at this point, with a few of them in the lower 20's for an extended period. In this photo the rough is just waking up from dormancy.
    
    [url=http://s143.photobucket.com/user/andyjorg/media/18OOclose_zpsda2158ca.jpg.html">[img">http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/andyjorg/18OOclose_zpsda2158ca.jpg[/img">

    
    Off topic as always but Andy, in the distance of your fairway photo, there looks to be some hills. Are you sure that is your course in Florida?

    
    
    
    
11. Andy Jorgensen

    

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    6/23/2013 9:06 AM

    Larry Allan said:

    Andy Jorgensen said: We stopped overseeding a few years ago and now use the pigments along with some liquid nutritionals to spray our tees, collars, approaches and fairways instead from about October to March. Total, we've sprayed probably close to 2,000 acres worth of product in the past 24 months. Because of this, we want to make sure we are getting the best bang for our buck, so for two years now I have tested just about every pigment product on the market on a test area on our driving range. The rates applied are label rates and mixed with the same nutritionals we apply to the fairways. We have found that almost every pigment provides for better turf health during the cooler months, regardless of manufacturer. Yes, some are better looking than others and some last longer than others, but when you break the price down to a per day basis, some are more economical than others as well. Green Pig ranked in the top 3 of all the ones we worked with.
    
    I am not sure the pigments provide a cooler canopy to a measurable degree. I have only heard of one that touts this in their marketing (Turfscreen Original). However, I can not speak on this because we were applying to help warm the soil, not cool it.
    
    Below is a photo of our trial area. This was early on in our trial and showed 8 products in 9 plots after the second application, two weeks apart. We ended up with 12 products in 13 plots by the end of the trial. You can see distinct differences between them. Some are more blue than others and one was virtually black. Most of these washed off the application equipment fairly easy while a couple stained bad. I still have green in the back of my cart from December from a product touted as a pigment.
    
    [url=http://s143.photobucket.com/user/andyjorg/media/Pigmenttrialday17overheadshot_zps64c7ae91.jpg.html">[img">http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/andyjorg/Pigmenttrialday17overheadshot_zps64c7ae91.jpg[/img">
    
    This is a photo of our fairways in march after receiving 13 sprays starting in late October. We had already received about 23 frosts at this point, with a few of them in the lower 20's for an extended period. In this photo the rough is just waking up from dormancy.
    
    [url=http://s143.photobucket.com/user/andyjorg/media/18OOclose_zpsda2158ca.jpg.html">[img">http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/andyjorg/18OOclose_zpsda2158ca.jpg[/img">

    
    Off topic as always but Andy, in the distance of your fairway photo, there looks to be some hills. Are you sure that is your course in Florida?

    
    
    
    86' above sea level.

    
    
    
    
12. Melvin Waldron

    

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    6/23/2013 10:06 AM

    Red,
    
    As long as your north of Tampa, it can get hilly, some of the best areas of Florida in my opinion. Heck Tallahassee is so hilly, I had a friend from high school had to have his friends drive him everywhere when at FSU because he couldn't handle the clutch in his jeep.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
13. Mark Newton

    

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    6/26/2013 6:06 AM

    I just used Green Pig on my fairways Monday (Rye/Blue/Poa mowed at .725) and so far am amazingly pleased! Went out at the high fairway rate of 17oz/acre, definitely worked better than any tracker dye i have ever used on fairways. I left a couple check plots throughout the course, will monitor surface and subsurface temps and how long the dye stays on the plant and I'll update in a few weeks.
    
    So far it is definitely worth the money, seems very inexpensive for the results and had no issues tank mixing with Daconil Action, Banner and Primo, unlike some of the other products like Green Lager.
    
    I will most likely not use this on greens during the summer as most of my summer fungies come from Bayer and already have the StressGuard in them.
    
    Mark Newton, CGCS
    Ames Golf & Country Club

    
    
    
    
14. Larry Allan

    

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    6/26/2013 8:06 AM

    Don't forget to cover your cups to prevent staining. While I am too lazy, Andy says its a must

    
    
    
    
15. Timothy Walker

    

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    6/26/2013 3:06 PM

    Larry Allan said: Don't forget to cover your cups to prevent staining. While I am too lazy, Andy says its a must

    
    
    Don't believe everything Andy tells ya
    
    I don't cover my cups either

    
    
    
    
16. Andy Jorgensen

    

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    6/26/2013 3:06 PM

    Green pig. Green cups.