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  1. Clay Putnam
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    11/5/2013 6:11 AM
    Fiction is now required to make Obamacare look credible. Just when we thought this administration and the Hollywood elite supporters couldn't be any more incredulous they are writing Obamacare into Hollywood story lines.

    At least Obama is consistent. He sold Obamacare on fiction and is now trying to resuscitate with fiction.

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/11/04/hollywood-targeted-to-include-obamacare-in-tv-plot-lines/



  2. Sandy Clark
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    11/5/2013 10:11 AM
    I know I will catch it from the anti-Fox crowd but I thought the very intelligent and aggressive Megyn Kelly pretty well laid out the detail of the lies involved and how it was shut up so they would be sure it would pass. It wasn't a comedy of errors, it was gross deception and lies. Her program last night was really eye opening. She is a lawyer by trade and not a right wing nut case. She has had her insurance cancelled!



  3. Clay Putnam
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    11/5/2013 1:11 PM
    I stand corrected. I didn't think Obama could be anymore incredulous but he's gone and proven me wrong. In a speech given last night, Obama denies having promised to be able to keep your insurance. Simply amazing. Even more amazing is his supporters will gladly choke to death on the turd sandwich that Obama is feeding them.



  4. Melvin Waldron
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    11/6/2013 7:11 AM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS"]I know I will catch it from the anti-Fox crowd but I thought the very intelligent and aggressive Megyn Kelly pretty well laid out the detail of the lies involved and how it was shut up so they would be sure it would pass. It wasn't a comedy of errors, it was gross deception and lies. Her program last night was really eye opening. She is a lawyer by trade and not a right wing nut case. She has had her insurance cancelled![/quote]

    You mean Fox News is too cheap to provide health insurance to their employees? Or is it they keep her hours under 30? I find that hard to believe, unless all news orgainizations don't offer health insurance, how do they stay competitive for employees in that market?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  5. Clay Putnam
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    11/6/2013 8:11 AM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: I know I will catch it from the anti-Fox crowd but I thought the very intelligent and aggressive Megyn Kelly pretty well laid out the detail of the lies involved and how it was shut up so they would be sure it would pass. It wasn't a comedy of errors, it was gross deception and lies. Her program last night was really eye opening. She is a lawyer by trade and not a right wing nut case. She has had her insurance cancelled![/quote]

    You mean Fox News is too cheap to provide health insurance to their employees? Or is it they keep her hours under 30? I find that hard to believe, unless all news orgainizations don't offer health insurance, how do they stay competitive for employees in that market?

    Mel


    Mel,

    I don't know the circumstances at FOX but it could be that the talking heads at FOX are independent contractors thus required to provide their own insurance. Really doesn't matter, does it? I'm sure they make a nice enough income to pay for their own coverage.



  6. Sandy Clark
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    11/6/2013 9:11 AM
    Megyn and her husband certainly make very good money and will be able to afford a good policy. She may however have to get all new doctors. I don't know about the rest of you but if I have to find new orthopedic doctors for my back, knees and whatever else I have destroyed, a new GP, a new dermatologist and my wife has to do the same, this is far more than a minor inconvenience. Like many, we have had the same doctors for years. I can't imagine needing to get all new doctors and get them up to speed. I also would imagine the news people in her category may very will function as independent contractors under contract than as employees of Fox. I bet that is uniform throughout the industry. If anyone has any actual knowledge of this, please let us know.



  7. Melvin Waldron
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    11/6/2013 2:11 PM
    I guess my thought would be, and I don't know the context of her confession of loosing her own health insurance, did her policy just get cancelled recently, or is this a policy that got cancelled in the past (which it wasn't the ACA causing it). Did she then go on to state her opinion of losing her policy? I am cautious on that one, as you stated, due to her wealth she could have a different take on the issue compared to those that face a lot more challenges. Although fairness should be the goal of the whole issue. (Of course everyone probably has a different opinion of fair).

    Anyone have the link of that segment of her show where she talked about this?

    Thanks,

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  8. Ronald Kirkman
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    11/6/2013 6:11 PM
    Mel,

    What does @3sticksCGCS mean? Is that your email? If so what's the rest of it????

    Capt Kirk



  9. Keith Lamb
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    11/6/2013 6:11 PM
    Ronald Kirkman said: Mel,

    What does @3sticksCGCS mean? Is that your email? If so what's the rest of it????

    Capt Kirk


    Email for Twits.



  10. Larry Allan
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    11/7/2013 7:11 AM
    Ummm, so let me get this straight....You don't chose your own doctor? The insurance company tells you who you must see? Why would they care who the doctor is?
    Our system may be far more socialistic than yours will ever be, but I've never been told or influenced in any way as to who I have to see. If I don't like the guy I'm dealing with I can walk down the road to a different guy.
    If I am in need of a specialist, my doctor may recommend a guy he knows fits the bill but if I tell him my neighbour Mike is an orthopedic surgeon, I can ask to be referred to him.
    If you crash your car, does your insurance company tell you where it has to be fixed?



  11. Clay Putnam
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    11/7/2013 7:11 AM
    Red,

    Our insurance, in the states, has in-network providers and out-of-network providers (doctors and hospitals). The costs to the patient are substantially lower by going to an in-network provider. You can see an out-of-network provider if you wish, but you will pay through the nose for it. As it relates to obamacare, it is my understanding there will no longer be out-of-network providers as we currently know it. The patient will be responsible for the entire cost of the procedure should they see a provider not approved by obamacare. There may be more to it that someone else can speak of.



  12. Wahlin Scott B
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    11/7/2013 8:11 AM
    Your doctors and hospitals that are within a network are determined by the insurance carrier you choose not the ACA. If you want to keep your present doctors make sure they accept the insurance coverage you opt to buy. My doctor is a member of a large group of general practitioners and specialists that I like. I will call to verify that they accept a plan before I purchase it.



  13. Clay Putnam
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    11/7/2013 9:11 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: Your doctors and hospitals that are within a network are determined by the insurance carrier you choose not the ACA. If you want to keep your present doctors make sure they accept the insurance coverage you opt to buy. My doctor is a member of a large group of general practitioners and specialists that I like. I will call to verify that they accept a plan before I purchase it.


    obamacare dictates the terms of the insurance coverage therefore, the doctor's and hospitals are determined by obamacare. Its a direct cause and effect.



  14. Wahlin Scott B
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    11/7/2013 10:11 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: Your doctors and hospitals that are within a network are determined by the insurance carrier you choose not the ACA. If you want to keep your present doctors make sure they accept the insurance coverage you opt to buy. My doctor is a member of a large group of general practitioners and specialists that I like. I will call to verify that they accept a plan before I purchase it.


    obamacare dictates the terms of the insurance coverage therefore, the doctor's and hospitals are determined by obamacare. Its a direct cause and effect.


    The ACA does not dictate which doctors and hospitals individual insurance companies may choose with whom to enter business relationships.



  15. Melvin Waldron
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    11/7/2013 12:11 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: Your doctors and hospitals that are within a network are determined by the insurance carrier you choose not the ACA. If you want to keep your present doctors make sure they accept the insurance coverage you opt to buy. My doctor is a member of a large group of general practitioners and specialists that I like. I will call to verify that they accept a plan before I purchase it.


    obamacare dictates the terms of the insurance coverage therefore, the doctor's and hospitals are determined by obamacare. Its a direct cause and effect.


    The ACA does not dictate which doctors and hospitals individual insurance companies may choose with whom to enter business relationships.


    I'm with Scott on this one, my doctors are chosen for me even before the ACA. My current employer chooses to contract with one network in our city. I have to choose a doctor in that network. To make matters worse for us, there are basically only two networks, our insurance company (or in our case the city) will choose one network over the other. The only time we can go to another Dr. out of network is for some specialties, such as pediatric pulmonary. We just hope they don't change networks, but that can happen.

    I've told this story before, about 5 or 6 years ago, our neighbor who works for MoDOT and they changed networks in our city, so he had to change doctors, luckily the wife was on the school's insurance and she kept the kids on hers so they could stay in the network they were in. So it isn't really any different then before the ACA in that regard. Of course if they were up in the Kansas City area, MoDOT employees have a choice of about 5 networks to choose from. Not sure why it's different up there except Springfield is controlled by the two networks here.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  16. Melvin Waldron
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    11/7/2013 12:11 PM
    Keith Lamb said:
    Ronald Kirkman said: Mel,

    What does @3sticksCGCS mean? Is that your email? If so what's the rest of it????

    Capt Kirk


    Email for Twits.



    Capt. It is my twitter handle. Have Jen explain it to you.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  17. Larry Allan
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    11/7/2013 3:11 PM
    I find it quite interesting but difficult to totally understand. The opt in opt out thing, is it somehow that a doctor from Harvard thinks his medical skills are more valuable than a graduate from Berkley.
    I would assume that a GP would have a more of less comparable rate to the next GP. If they want to make more money, they see more patients or work longer hours.



  18. Clay Putnam
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    11/7/2013 6:11 PM
    Forget about our insurance. This guy...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCBjBAindxA



  19. Larry Allan
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    11/8/2013 10:11 AM
    You guys are all over me today



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