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  1. Ronald Kirkman
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    10/1/2013 2:10 PM
    Greetings;

    I thought I heard it all in my lifetime. But, this name-calling from the Democrats to the Republicans is disgraceful. Some may blame the Republicans for all the country's woes but they do not have to insuate that Republicans are terroists.

    I remember a few years back Senator Harry Reid said Obamacare is not good and it should be dropped. The President took Mr. Reid on Air Force One and after a nice little ride, Mr. Reid got off the plane and said Obamacare is very good. Give me a break, no doubt the President threatened to drop Mr. Reid from the plane out in the middle of the dessert from about 30,000 feet.

    I did see on the news today that the Federal Government gives Massachusetts 186,000,000, (million dollars) per year to help fund our medical care. I never knew that. I say thank you Feds.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA 02492



  2. Gary Carls
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    10/1/2013 3:10 PM
    Captain,

    Glanced at something where members of Congress were taking credit for going down and opening the monuments for groups of veterans in town and promised to continue doing so while this nonsense continues. I'm not a real political guy or a veteran but I'm pretty sure those WWII vets would of and could have yanked down that caution tape on their own and I don't think anyone would have stopped them!!! What a great bunch of folks we have working for us in D.C. :|

    Gary K. Carls, CGCS, President - Oakland Turfgrass Education Initiative

  3. Steven Huffstutler
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    10/1/2013 3:10 PM
    Well, Cap....the fact that your republican buddies have decided to hold the country hostage does present sort of a terrorist mentality, doesn't it? Of course, when Ted Cruz compares tan hone who opposes him to Nazis, it's ok, right?
    http://www.businessinsider.com/ted-cruz ... ter-2013-9



  4. Sandy Clark
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    10/1/2013 3:10 PM
    I thought bipartisanship was everyone working together, not just the dems thinking it is only bipartisan when the conservatives give into them. I think Harry, President Obama and others are equally as guilty as the republicans for causing this shutdown. They have all created a mess but Obama and Harry carry the largest guilt for refusing to even discuss the issues or go to some form of mediation to come up with a compromise solution. Obama and Harry are no co-dictators, they hold major responsibility for destroying the tone of government and any possibility of cooperation.



  5. Steven Huffstutler
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    10/1/2013 4:10 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: I thought bipartisanship was everyone working together, not just the dems thinking it is only bipartisan when the conservatives give into them. I think Harry, President Obama and others are equally as guilty as the republicans for causing this shutdown. They have all created a mess but Obama and Harry carry the largest guilt for refusing to even discuss the issues or go to some form of mediation to come up with a compromise solution. Obama and Harry are no co-dictators, they hold major responsibility for destroying the tone of government and any possibility of cooperation.
    lsorry man, Americas not buying it. We know who is doing it



  6. Keith Lamb
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    10/1/2013 5:10 PM
    Obama ran on the ACA and won the election. The Dems control the Senate. The ACA was upheld by the Supreme court. A faction of GOP terrorists, yes terrorists, have decided that they want their way at any cost and even after 40+ tries to repeal the ACA, this is what they have decided to do. For a bunch of people who call themselves patriots and protectors of the Constitution, they have a sick way of showing it.



  7. Ronald Kirkman
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    10/1/2013 6:10 PM
    Jr. (Steve) I did not know Ted Cruz mentioned Nazis. My mistake. Oh, I am not a Republican nor a Democrat but an Independent. And, I will blame the Democrats on this one.

    Remember what the Great Ted Kennedy said before he passed away. President Richard Nixon had a real good health plan for America. I did not vote for it because he was a Republican and I am a Democrat. Biggest mistake I ever made. AMEN

    Capt.Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf club
    Needham, MA



  8. Sandy Clark
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    10/2/2013 9:10 AM
    Cruz never called anyone a nazi, he merely referred to a historical event and made a comparison. The dems routinely refer to people as nazi's. There is a big difference. Have any of you ever been polled on anything political? What they do is call and offer you very limited choices. You can take the same poll, word it slightly differently and find an opposite result. When polls provide the selections that include the president, Harry Reid and the Congress, Harry and the President don't come out any better than the congress. These may not be scientific polls but they give more selections and are not as slanted due to the wording. I still say kick them all out and get non lawyers and non politicians as the next candidates.



  9. Corey Eastwood
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    10/2/2013 12:10 PM
    The solution to this is very simple. Vote for one thing at a time. Funding the Government with no strings attached. Then the repeal of the AHA no strings attached.

    Let the AHA be activated and if it does not work or is disliked by the majority then vote the Dems out and repeal it. Simple enough. I am sorry guys ,what is going on now it holding the country in hostage. Sound like Political Suicide for the Tea Party.

    Corey Eastwood CGCS, Stockton Golf & CC, Retired

  10. Steven Huffstutler
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    10/3/2013 3:10 PM
    I am not a fan of the affordable care act, in fact I was and am of the opinion that it is unconstitutional but the Supreme Court disagrees with me. So, this is where we are:

    A law was passed by Congress and signed by the President.
    The law was upheld by the Supreme Court.
    The Tea Party wing of the Republican Party decided that since they don't like the law, instead of working to change it, they would just "defund" it. That position was dishonest from the beginning as most the law is funded permanently and even with a government shutdown, is taking effect.
    Holding the country hostage has never been and should never be the way we show our displeasure with the law of the land, it is destructive and essentially un American.
    Since the Republican Party has failed to show any backbone and allowed Ted Cruz to set the plane on fire, they should now all hold hands and ride it into the ground.


    Steve



  11. Peter Bowman
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    10/3/2013 8:10 PM
    Ronald Kirkman said:

    Remember what the Great Ted Kennedy said before he passed away.


    "I wasn't drunk and she told me she could swim.....??????"



  12. Larry Allan
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    10/5/2013 10:10 AM
    An opinion from the rest of the world...."You guys are so fucking funny"



  13. Keith Pegg
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    10/5/2013 6:10 PM
    Ronald Kirkman"]Greetings;

    I thought I heard it all in my lifetime. But, this name-calling from the Democrats to the Republicans is disgraceful. Some may blame the Republicans for all the country's woes but they do not have to insuate that Republicans are terroists.

    I remember a few years back Senator Harry Reid said Obamacare is not good and it should be dropped. The President took Mr. Reid on Air Force One and after a nice little ride, Mr. Reid got off the plane and said Obamacare is very good. Give me a break, no doubt the President threatened to drop Mr. Reid from the plane out in the middle of the dessert from about 30,000 feet.

    I did see on the news today that the Federal Government gives Massachusetts 186,000,000, (million dollars) per year to help fund our medical care. I never knew that. I say thank you Feds.

    Capt. Kirk

    The affordable "health care act" may or may not be a good idea but it is the law and I think we need to give it a try before failing it. I think like other programs that have worked it also will work, however I would be the first on the bandwagon to repeal it if after a fair amount of time, X years took place. This government shutdown is the dumbest thing I have ever seen happen. It is only making the population hate the idiots of DC even more.
    Keith Pegg



  14. Melvin Waldron
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    10/6/2013 7:10 PM
    Keith Pegg said:
    Capt. Kirk

    The affordable "health care act" may or may not be a good idea but it is the law and I think we need to give it a try before failing it. I think like other programs that have worked it also will work, however I would be the first on the bandwagon to repeal it if after a fair amount of time, X years took place. This government shutdown is the dumbest thing I have ever seen happen. It is only making the population hate the idiots of DC even more.
    Keith Pegg


    Keith the other problem is through misinformation we tend to be hating each other as well.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  15. Bill Warnick
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    10/7/2013 4:10 AM
    "Your guy called me a Nazi." "No He didn't." "Yes he did!" "liberal!" "Fascist!" … Really?
    This is all about self interest. Not issues. Republican and Democrat congressmen want to avoid losing a primary challenge to the idiot-puppet funded by the UFO SuperPac, so they cave and vote to defund meals-on-wheels and give the money to a highway to nowhere contractor. Or, fund a solar powered lawn mower that costs 250 million.

    In this case it's about a naked power grab. The Tea party wants the republican party and they want Boehner's head and they will burn down the country to get it. Does anyone think Ted Cruz is running for President? By the way, where is Paul Ryan? He is the chairman of the Budget Committee. Not to be seen. If he wants to be president he better stay out of it.

    Since anyone with 20 million dollars can buy his own congressman, get used to it.



  16. Keith Pegg
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    10/7/2013 4:10 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Keith Pegg said:
    Capt. Kirk

    The affordable "health care act" may or may not be a good idea but it is the law and I think we need to give it a try before failing it. I think like other programs that have worked it also will work, however I would be the first on the bandwagon to repeal it if after a fair amount of time, X years took place. This government shutdown is the dumbest thing I have ever seen happen. It is only making the population hate the idiots of DC even more.
    Keith Pegg


    Keith the other problem is through misinformation we tend to be hating each other as well.

    Mel

    Mel,
    When I was 12 years old I had a lung problem and it was near death experience, after 6 months in intensive care and the removal of my right lung I made it missed one year of school and missed a part of my life, however I still had life because my father a railroad worker at the time had great health insurance.
    Because of this I have been careful to get jobs all my life with group plans and good coverage, on my own I would never be able to get any coverage at all. Term limits of most even the ones I have had over the last 40 years would have never covered what happened to me back then, the cost was about $100k and today that same care would be $10+ million. The new health care plan is not perfect and not a single payer like I feel it should have been, however it is a start.
    You see for me this is an important issue, and yes all the money I have paid out over the years for insurance of all kinds, if I could have saved it would have made my life style a little more upscale but all it takes is one visit to the Hospital at 2-5+k per day to shock anyone into reality.
    52 years later and still going strong.
    Keith Pegg
    Zama Japan
    US Army MWR



  17. Melvin Waldron
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    10/9/2013 7:10 AM
    Keith Pegg said:

    Mel,
    When I was 12 years old I had a lung problem and it was near death experience, after 6 months in intensive care and the removal of my right lung I made it missed one year of school and missed a part of my life, however I still had life because my father a railroad worker at the time had great health insurance.
    Because of this I have been careful to get jobs all my life with group plans and good coverage, on my own I would never be able to get any coverage at all. Term limits of most even the ones I have had over the last 40 years would have never covered what happened to me back then, the cost was about $100k and today that same care would be $10+ million. The new health care plan is not perfect and not a single payer like I feel it should have been, however it is a start.
    You see for me this is an important issue, and yes all the money I have paid out over the years for insurance of all kinds, if I could have saved it would have made my life style a little more upscale but all it takes is one visit to the Hospital at 2-5+k per day to shock anyone into reality.
    52 years later and still going strong.
    Keith Pegg
    Zama Japan
    US Army MWR


    Keith,
    Glad everything turn out well for you, We are the same way when we possibly look at other jobs. I'm a hundred precent behind you on this health care law. With our family medical issues we welcome it, knowing that we can't be turned down for coverage. We would love to not have to spend all the extra prescription and dr. visit co-pays, our portion of our insurance payment, heck we sure could stimulate the economy with new cars once in a while, redo the carpets and floors, replace windows, etc. but we do what we need to do to keep everyone healthy, (well except for eating well) and whatever security that our insurance plan and working for a large employer offers we are grateful.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  18. James Gray
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    10/9/2013 9:10 AM
    Good law or Bad law, it's still an effing Law. So, NO republicans, you don't get to hold America hostage. You Get Nothing.



  19. Sandy Clark
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    10/10/2013 9:10 AM
    Question, is it the law that was passed? I would say no! It was promised to be less expensive, you could keep your own doctors etc. Well, when they passed the bill so we could see what was in it, nobody appeared to care much for it so the waivers and exceptions started flowing. These waivers were not part of the bill that was passed. I would think it is legitimate to question what has turned out far different than what was passed. don't get me wrong, I am mad at all of the gross incompetence on both sides. Harry and the President are not dictators and compromise is what is required in their jobs. The republicans do not appear to have planned an end game to this entire thing so they are all idiots. However, every republican ran on getting rid of Obama Care. They lost by 5 million votes in the presidential election but that is still a huge number of people they made a promise to. If they didn't put up a fight they would be letting down their electorate. Their job, like it or not is that of the opposition party. It has always been true when you are on the short end of American politics. Trust me, this is all political grandstanding. We will probably have a temporary continuing resolution before Friday, allowing both sides of idiots, including the President to save face for a short time. Remember, Obama is finally taking a huge hit on this thing as well. Things turned badly on him over two events this week. The first was the military issue and the other was the memorial issue when illegal aliens were allowed on the mall but veterans were not.



  20. Corey Eastwood
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    10/10/2013 11:10 AM
    The American people mandated the AHA with the re-election of the President. Lets attach free abortion, gay marrage and higher taxes for the rich on the bill and see how much the Repubs want to negotiate. Stop paying SS checks in November and you can kiss goodbye to the Tea Party and maybe most incumbents. :evil:

    Corey Eastwood CGCS, Stockton Golf & CC, Retired

  21. Melvin Waldron
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    10/10/2013 12:10 PM
    I think sometimes some of the ACA items like keeping your own doctor, or if you like your health insurance now, or it will be cheaper is taken too literal in my opinion.

    I know we have been able to keep our own doctor now because of the network we use, (Springfield is a little different than other places in the state), but we know friends that are employed by MoDOT and the school system, MoDOT changed plans and networks a few years back, (way before the ACA) and in Springfield it meant changing doctors, luckily the kids could stay with their doctors because the school system didn't change plans or networks. What is different then if one choses a different insurance from the network and your doctor isn't in that network? For comparison, another family who worked for MoDOT transferred up to the KC area, they had five networks to choose from. Don't think the ACA was addressing this issue. For some with pre-existing conditions or getting up in age, it sounds like the ACA did make it cheaper for them, younger people probably saw their premiums rise, (or those that will need to purchase it or pay the fines, saw a higher cost then what they were paying which was nothing).

    The keeping your insurance idea/promise seems to be broken by businesses that change the rules, such as spouses of UPS that can get insurance through their employer need to do that (of course those that can't can stay on the UPS plan as I understand, but that doesn't make good talking points). In some cases that is a higher cost, although I do know people I've worked with in the past, their spouse was already getting insurance through their employer because it was cheaper or had coverage that suited them better.

    Just my observations, but if we are going to hold the president to every word he says exactly then lets hold the other party accountable as well, "Our goal is to make this President a one term President"
    Just my opinion.
    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  22. Sandy Clark
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    10/10/2013 2:10 PM
    I just have to ask, why is it when Bush said anything not exactly accurate for whatever reason, he was called a liar. when Obama misleads for whatever reason, you give him a pass? I have a full proof solution to all this bickering. You take every last one of them including the Pres and the VP, lock them in the halls of congress with no cameras, no food, water or bathrooms and they cannot exit the building until a viable solution is reached. I would guess every negotiation would be over within two hours. This would be a great way to get things done. Without cameras, they are all useless and without necessities, they wouldn't argue long.



  23. Melvin Waldron
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    10/10/2013 3:10 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: I just have to ask, why is it when Bush said anything not exactly accurate for whatever reason, he was called a liar. when Obama misleads for whatever reason, you give him a pass? I have a full proof solution to all this bickering. You take every last one of them including the Pres and the VP, lock them in the halls of congress with no cameras, no food, water or bathrooms and they cannot exit the building until a viable solution is reached. I would guess every negotiation would be over within two hours. This would be a great way to get things done. Without cameras, they are all useless and without necessities, they wouldn't argue long.

    Sandy,
    It depends on who you are talking too I suppose. I hear plenty of people call President Obama a liar as well, (plus a lot of worse things).

    I gave the current president a pass on the ACA promises in part because for those that have insurance it pretty much is the same as if you were to go onto the exchanges and purchase insurance from the insurance companies on the exchange. If your employer switched companies it could be possible the doctor you had is not in your new network. Same thing goes with cost as well, although typically if your employer switches it's to keep the cost lower.

    While I might have called President Bush a liar? I can't remember, I'm sure there was something I probably called him a liar about, but even on the weapons of mass destruction, I have to give Bush a pass on it, could some of those weapons have gone to Syria? Who knows? Were they ready to get nuclear weapons? That doesn't sound that credible, but there were plenty of people giving him a pass on a lot of what he said as well.

    As how to fix the problem? We have to do a better job of educating ourselves and holding our elected officials accountable, engage them by contacting them, and not swing too far left or right, and learn to compromise. And get out and vote, with turnouts in primaries where most of these problems come from, to have 30% voting is pitiful, we only have ourselves to blame really. Just my opinion.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  24. Ashton Alan W
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    10/11/2013 1:10 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: ...and not swing too far left or right...

    Mel


    We have a winner!!



  25. Melvin Waldron
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    10/11/2013 3:10 PM
    Alan Ashton said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: ...and not swing too far left or right...

    Mel


    We have a winner!!


    Hopefully I can follow my own suggestion. I know I lean left on some issues but I hope to be somewhat conservative. My suggestion when we move forward on government spending and tax breaks, when an idea is suggested, infrastructure projects need to have a way to prioritize them and a cost/benefit analysis.

    Same with entitlement and tax breaks. I know with these items sometimes it's a feel good thing, or maybe there is an idea that doing something will bring economic benefit. Take the tax credit for mortgage payments those of us paying mortgages get. I'm sure the housing and real estate companies are for it as it would spur home purchasing and maybe new home building, but does it really? Does the cost of lost tax revenue really spur that amount of economic development? Or more tax revenue from wages of those building and selling homes? How about doing away with all those credits and just lower our tax rate by say 5% or 10%? Someone needs to do the math but that is what I would suggest.

    I know I have heard people complain about welfare, unemployment, food stamps, while I don't want people to suffer and when we really look at what amount of money goes to people receiving it, (per person), is it really that much money? Would we want to quit our jobs and live on that? Also I have heard that for every dollar spent in food stamps it generates about $1.38 into to local economy. I wonder if that is true?

    Just some thoughts and opinions.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  26. Fearis David W
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    10/11/2013 6:10 PM
    This whole situation in Congress is truly a big mess. I know in the next election that I will not vote for any of the candidates that are presently serving in Congress.



  27. James Schmid
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    10/13/2013 5:10 PM
    David Fearis said: This whole situation in Congress is truly a big mess. I know in the next election that I will not vote for any of the candidates that are presently serving in Congress.


    Who will you vote for? Will you still vote for candidates that are running on the Republican or Democrat tickets?



  28. Fearis David W
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    10/13/2013 6:10 PM
    I will look more closely at each member of Congress and their platform. I will look even more closely at those newer candidates who are running who are not presently members of Congress.



  29. Peter Bowman
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    10/18/2013 10:10 PM
    David Fearis said: This whole situation in Congress is truly a big mess. I know in the next election that I will not vote for any of the candidates that are presently serving in Congress.


    I think you can only vote for one, maybe two anyway. Your House of Representives rep from your congressional district, and maybe one of your two senators.



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