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  1. Steven Kurta
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    2/19/2012 9:02 AM
    This race is making for some great political viewing (Santorum v. Romney).

    Problem: Romney is the best chance versus Obama yet conservatives in the party can't get behind him.
    Solution: Get over his record already and ease up on the hardcore conservative line, nobody gets points for that.

    Problem: Santorum is socially too far to the right to draw enough independents/swing voters/women to win against Obama. Social conservatism is a nice thought, but those days are gone. like, as of the 90's.
    Solution: Support Romney because Santorum seems like the kind of candidate to who is tone deaf.

    This all framed in by the economy showing signs of real movement in the right direction http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-economy-is-getting-stronger-but-2012-02-19?reflink=MW_news_stmp is going to make things even more interesting.

    I can't get a feel to whether or not republicans are nervous, or think there's a chance for a positive outcome with all this. And I don't expect any admissions if they do have reservations with the choices ahead of them. It seems concerning, the situation the GOP finds itself in. I still think newt was the best possible option, considering the three.



  2. Dennis Cook
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    2/20/2012 7:02 AM
    One of the things that makes us nervous about Romney is whether he is actually the more electable one. He and his minions basically gave Obama the blueprint for Obamacare. So ultimately if he is elected would he get rid of obamacare completely or would he just fine tune it.

    We truly need someone to take on entitlements head on and Santorum is doing that and that is why he is surging. people aint stupid and they know we are giving away too much money in this country. Santorum has just honest about his beliefs, but he usually follows that up with a statement that he wouldnt pose those beliefs on the country.

    Either way, i will support whoever the candidate is, because Obama needs to be defeated



  3. Sandy Clark
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    2/20/2012 9:02 AM
    California votes so late that we may not have a say in the selection. Romney does have one major thing in is favor and that is an organization that can and does raise cash and get his word out. Santorum has so many logical things to say and is sort of the peoples kind of guy but can he overcome a big , well prepared organization? I just don't know if he can sustain the effort. Of course the dems are playing both sides of this. In open elections, they are crossing over and voting for Santorum with the intent of making Romney fight harder and utilize more of his money before the general election. I think the conservatives will all come together in an effort to beat Obama. Comparative polls mean very little at this point. Obama has three years of sound bites the conservatives can use against him and can nail him on his own words. The Obama message can only be that the conservatives will be worse than he has been!



  4. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    2/20/2012 9:02 AM
    This is a complete fantasy, or "maybe" not, but does anyone think that we could make it through four years of a "Ron Paul"? Personally, I'd like to try it. Both houses of Congress would be so confused at some his proposals, maybe they would actually vote for them. And he has a few great proposals. Man.....talk about "change", huh?

    Pity the first foreign leader to visit the White House. "That's a really ugly tie! Who dresses you? So, what did you want to talk about?"



  5. Stephen Okula
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    2/20/2012 2:02 PM
    Dennis Cook said: people aint stupid


    Then why is the country in the shape it's in?



  6. Stephen Okula
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    2/20/2012 2:02 PM
    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said: This is a complete fantasy, or "maybe" not, but does anyone think that we could make it through four years of a "Ron Paul"? Personally, I'd like to try it. Both houses of Congress would be so confused at some his proposals, maybe they would actually vote for them. And he has a few great proposals. Man.....talk about "change", huh?

    Pity the first foreign leader to visit the White House. "That's a really ugly tie! Who dresses you? So, what did you want to talk about?"


    I agree. Paul is the only Republican candidate who I'd vote for against Obama. He's the only national politician I know who speaks the truth regardless of the consequences. Smaller, less intrusive government? Sure. Let's start by getting out of foreign wars, including the one against drugs. Paul had the audacity to suggest maybe the U.S. should start treating other countries as we would like to be treated, the "Golden Rule" he called it. He was booed for that by South Carolina Republicans. I love it. He also said the government has no business telling private citizens what they are allowed to put into their bodies, which sounds like freedom to me.

    Of course, he'll never get the nomination let alone the office, but it is encouraging to see him get this far.



  7. Dennis Cook
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    2/21/2012 7:02 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    Dennis Cook said: people aint stupid


    Then why is the country in the shape it's in?


    Because we keep everything away. And like I said people aren't stupid and are starting to realize it. Our entitlement mentality is taking us the way of Europe and people are getting fed up with it.

    Why do I want a government that continues to take my money and give it to someone else? A lot of people are now asking that question.



  8. McCallum David K
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    2/21/2012 8:02 AM
    Ron Paul may have lots of negatives but I could certainly stomach him for 4 years after what we have had for the past 3 years........can't be any worse and could be the best thing for the USA in a long time......but we'll probably never know.



  9. Peter Bowman
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    2/21/2012 8:02 PM
    Steven Kurta said: This race is making for some great political viewing (Santorum v. Romney).

    Problem: Romney is the best chance versus Obama yet conservatives in the party can't get behind him.
    I think that's what they said about McCain.
    Solution: Get over his record already and ease up on the hardcore conservative line, nobody gets points for that.
    I think that's what they said about McCain.



    The Democrats and the media wanted McCain v. Obama and they got it. We know how that turned out.
    Now they want Romney v. Obama.



  10. Steven Kurta
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    2/22/2012 7:02 AM
    Wouldn't Santorum V. Obama be the worse match-up for the GOP?

    I know repubs have had it, and are just beside themselves with gloom over Obama - they just can't see any light at all. It was the same for us dems when Dubya was in. It was inconceivable that he could be re-elected, but in light of the international situation and 9/11, everyone was too scared to get rid of him. Sucked.
    I think the same is going to happen for Obama if the economy keeps swinging it's nose around. If a real recovery happens, he'll be vindicated and then it's over for the GOP until 2016.

    In charge when:
    -- bin laden was caught and killed
    -- The economy recovered or had started to recover

    Those are going to be hard to poke holes in. Just saying.



  11. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    2/22/2012 9:02 AM
    I think Obama would chew up Romney and spit him out in a debate. Santorum? Much tougher. Only problem is Santorum scares the beejezuz outta me. He wants to take us back to 1951. I don't about the rest of you, but I'd miss laptops and smartphones. Romney is the Republican version of Al Gore. All pasty white and fake. Every time he laughs at his own jokes, I sneeze. I don't get sick, I sneeze. Definitely need to see a doctor about that.

    Can't stand Newt. And his asinine comments about gun racks in Volts? Right.....God forbid we should improve our technology. What a clown. Actually, three clowns. And a distant, but sensible, fourth. All going up against what a lot of people think is a Democratic clown. The GOP field right now is a disaster. Except my pick......Paul. I know...I know...Dave and several others said that will never happen and sadly, you're all right. But, I sent his campaign 2 dollars today, just to feel all warm and fuzzy. Plus, wasting money makes me feel rich.

    This isn't some cake-walk for Obama. It's hanging on a thread. A tiny bump downwards in the economy...especially close to November, could doom him. Then one of those other clowns will win.

    I just sneezed.



  12. Peter Bowman
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    2/22/2012 10:02 AM
    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said: I But, I sent his campaign 2 dollars today, just to feel all warm and fuzzy. Plus, wasting money makes me feel rich.


    Speaking of donating 2 dollars (for a chance at a french fry).... Call me crazy, I guess.


    Flag this messageYou'd be crazy not toWednesday, February 22, 2012 7:55 AM
    From: "Rufus Gifford, BarackObama.com" <info@barackobama.com>Add sender to ContactsTo:

    Friend --

    Sitting down for a meal with the President of the United States is just not a chance many people -- including me -- will ever get.

    That's why you'd be crazy not to at least give this a shot.

    We're drawing the first winner tonight at midnight.

    Pitch in $2 or whatever you can to be automatically entered to sit down for a meal with the President.

    Consider this: A couple months ago, Scott, a firefighter and dad from Georgia, opened an email about having dinner with the President. He pitched in a few dollars to support the campaign, figuring "Why not?"

    Weeks later, the President was offering him a french fry from across the table.

    So if you think that could never be you, remember that Scott thought that, too.

    Chip in $2 or more to be automatically entered now:

    https://donate.barackobama.com/The-First-Guest

    Good luck,

    Rufus

    Rufus Gifford
    National Finance Director
    Obama for America



  13. Steve Nelson
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    2/22/2012 10:02 AM
    The Republican candidates are a cast of clowns. Said it before and I'll say it again- the GOP 'A' team is sitting this one out, knowing full well that we cannot beat Obama in 2012. Look for a better field in 2016.



  14. Stephen Okula
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    2/22/2012 3:02 PM
    Steve Nelson, CGCS said: The Republican candidates are a cast of clowns. Said it before and I'll say it again- the GOP 'A' team is sitting this one out, knowing full well that we cannot beat Obama in 2012. Look for a better field in 2016.


    I would enjoy seeing a list of who presently constitutes the Republican A Team.



  15. Steven Kurta
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    2/23/2012 10:02 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    Steve Nelson, CGCS said: The Republican candidates are a cast of clowns. Said it before and I'll say it again- the GOP 'A' team is sitting this one out, knowing full well that we cannot beat Obama in 2012. Look for a better field in 2016.


    I would enjoy seeing a list of who presently constitutes the Republican A Team.



    Here you be, Sir.

    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/republican-a-team-6625628



  16. Steven Kurta
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    2/24/2012 6:02 AM
    Just coming across some interesting quotes off different blogs --
    Thought it interesting that this was coming out of George Will (The brain of the GOP).

    Today's Republican contest has become a binary choice between two similarly miscast candidates. Romney cannot convince voters he understands the difference between business and politics, between being a CEO and the president. To bring economic rationality to an underperforming economic entity requires understanding a market segment. To bring confidence to a discouraged nation requires celebrating its history and sketching an inspiring destiny this history has presaged.

    Romney is right about the futility of many current policies, but being offended by irrationality is insufficient. Santorum is right to be alarmed by many cultural trends, but implies that religion must be the nexus between politics and cultural reform. Romney is not attracting people who want rationality leavened by romance. Santorum is repelling people who want politics unmediated by theology. Neither Romney nor Santorum looks like a formidable candidate for November.

    georgewill@washpost.com. Washington Post Writers Group
    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/02/23/george-f-will-republicans-stuck-with-choice-of-two-unimpressive-candidates/



  17. Melvin Waldron
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    2/24/2012 7:02 AM
    I have to say, I have seen a couple of George Will commentaries that I totally agree with. Maybe I'm coming down with something?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  18. McCallum David K
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    2/24/2012 8:02 AM
    Common sense, Mel? Perhaps logical thinking?



  19. Steve Nelson
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    2/24/2012 10:02 AM
    Is there a cure for that?



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